All right!!!!!!a plain navy two button with no frills except a red paisley lining, pick-stitched lapels
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All right!!!!!!a plain navy two button with no frills except a red paisley lining, pick-stitched lapels
I love your discussions of sartorial matters. There is so much deconstruction of what women wear, and so little about what men wear. I still wonder why the former guy was apparently too cheap to get a decent tailor.fierceredpanda wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 9:26 amAll I think I did on the Chauvin trial was complain about Nelson's taste in clothes off-hand once or twice, but since you asked...
I never knew there were different shoulder things. As for me, it would not be worth it. Attempting to do anything with my shoulders (or lack thereof) is a lost cause.fierceredpanda wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:36 am The only thing that isn't changeable that I wish would be is the shoulder. I have a slight fetish for English- and Italian-style roped sleeveheads as well as Neopolitan spalla camicia shoulders, and unfortunately this tailor only does the boring American-style flat shoulders popularized by Brooks Brothers. (Here is an article explaining the differences for those interested.) Well, you can't have everything.
My guess is he had a decent tailor but he wouldn't take direction. I had a lot of trouble with that when I was costuming community and dinner theaters. It's always best to accept your body for what it is and work with it. In his befuddled brain, he prolly thought bigger clothes would hide his bulk, but it just made him look sloppy.FiveAcres wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 9:39 amI love your discussions of sartorial matters. There is so much deconstruction of what women wear, and so little about what men wear. I still wonder why the former guy was apparently too cheap to get a decent tailor.fierceredpanda wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 9:26 amAll I think I did on the Chauvin trial was complain about Nelson's taste in clothes off-hand once or twice, but since you asked...
Ha! Been binge watching Get Smart. Don Adams was quite the snappy dresser and he pulls off the ascot effortlessly, whereas some guys just look swarmy.
I agree about men's suits. It seems that what they're doing is trying to ape the look of bespoke English suits, which tend to be cut more fitted in the legs (but cut from scratch to fit a particular customer) and which are much tighter under the arms than generic suits. Then couple this with shoes in far lighter colors (cognac, walnut, whatever) that have exaggerated toes. It looks ludicrous. I'm sure the pendulum will swing back in a couple years.fierceredpanda wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:36 am Hijacking this thread, partly to massage my own ego and partly to rant about current men's fashion. If women's clothing seems designed to only fit individuals with unrealistically perfect bodies, men's suits are becoming exactly the same.
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One of the drawbacks about my cycling habit is that my thighs are, well, fairly enormous, and the current trend in menswear toward flat-fronted trousers with very tapered legs just doesn't work for me at all. The trousers of the last several suits I've purchased are tight when I'm standing, but murderously so when I'm sitting. This is not only annoying, but also means they wear out with a rapidity that is beyond annoying. Even worse, movies and television have been promoting a shrunken look to men's suiting for years now that essentially tells people that ill-fitting trousers and jackets are "fashionable."
Love it!johnpcapitalist wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 12:35 pm
I rather enjoyed being somewhat subversive, especially during my Wall Street investment management career. One favorite outfit that I wore occasionally was a solid blue herringbone cashmere suit, a red and blue Charvet tie, and a tone-on-tone Jacquard patterned Robert Graham shirt with this subtle motif. I never took my jacket off unless getting into the car, and the number of people that noticed the pattern was quite small. Those that did were quite amused. Certainly, no bad word ever got back to management.
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Most of my neckties are Countess Mara (a hugely underrated brand) or Tommy Hilfiger, and a couple from Brooks Brothers. Don't laugh at the Tommy Hilfiger. While I normally can't stand their clothes, two of my favorite ties are grenadine silk in red and blue that I wear constantly. The blue grenadine is a deliberate homage on my part to the blue grenadine tie Sean Connery wore in several of his James Bond movies, and it just goes with everything.johnpcapitalist wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 12:35 pm Lastly, my taste in ties generally went with high-end designers but very eclectic patterns. Charvet, Pucci and Ferragamo are favorites, but only patterns that are truly unique and that aren't designed to be boring. Ferragamo was particularly good at expensive-but-boring, cranking out thousands of different designs with crossed golf clubs or golf tees, ad nauseum. Occasionally, they'd have something really memorable and unique that was worth buying.
Aw, thanks Kate. Options as far as tailoring are kind of limited where I live, unfortunately. I had been getting suits off-the-peg from Suitsupply (via the internet or their location in Chicago when I made it down there). They do have interesting shoulders and really great jackets for the price. However, their trousers are completely hopeless on me these days, taking the irritating predominant trend of snug thighs to a ridiculous extreme.Kate520 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 11:37 am frp, I love your fashion focus. Unlike Slim, I like to see a suit occasionally on a man. Not a foppish suit like Roger Stone the clown wears, though. He must be the most insecure man in FL. My hubs wears suits so infrequently that he never feels or looks comfortable. My “wedding jitters” dream was that the entire wedding party showed up in rafting* clothes - running shorts/torn cut offs, ratty t-shirts and Teva sandals.
Interesting article on jackets. I had no idea. I like the spalla camica style best. Now I have a new game to play while people-watching: should he be wearing that shoulder style?
I hope this tailor meets your standards. If not, find one who does fancy shoulders.![]()
* We met on a rafting trip. We spent a lot of the year between meeting and marrying on this river or that.
I have a fondness for Jerry Garcia ties, but since I rarely wear a tie (even before the lockdown), I don't buy ties hardly ever.fierceredpanda wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 1:01 pmMost of my neckties are Countess Mara (a hugely underrated brand) or Tommy Hilfiger, and a couple from Brooks Brothers. Don't laugh at the Tommy Hilfiger. While I normally can't stand their clothes, two of my favorite ties are grenadine silk in red and blue that I wear constantly. The blue grenadine is a deliberate homage on my part to the blue grenadine tie Sean Connery wore in several of his James Bond movies, and it just goes with everything.johnpcapitalist wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 12:35 pm Lastly, my taste in ties generally went with high-end designers but very eclectic patterns. Charvet, Pucci and Ferragamo are favorites, but only patterns that are truly unique and that aren't designed to be boring. Ferragamo was particularly good at expensive-but-boring, cranking out thousands of different designs with crossed golf clubs or golf tees, ad nauseum. Occasionally, they'd have something really memorable and unique that was worth buying.
Had I the budget of an investment banker, I would probably be buying ties from Charvet or Ermenegildo Zegna. Also I'd probably be getting my suits from Gieves & Hawkes in London.
Thank you SO much, Kate! I really, really needed that just now!Kate520 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:35 am I don’t often go to Facebook anymore, but when I do this is the first place I go. Attire’s Mind.
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This week two posts might be of interest to Fogbowsers. The most recent is a post about men’s suits, padding, and shoulders. The second you have to scroll down a few -church lady hats.
Symone's Red Nail Look for the Drag Race Finale Was Filled With Hidden Messages
The entire world has changed since the 13th season of RuPaul's Drag Race premiered on New Year's Day, but after Friday's finale Drag Race fans everywhere have a new reigning queen: Symone, the hilarious, witty, talented, and deeply original individual from Los Angeles by way of Conway, Arkansas.
Symone delivered all season long — on the runways, in (most) of the challenges, in lip-syncs — and she single-handedly changed the way most of us say the word "factory." (It's fec'try now.) Symone didn't come to season 13 to play. She came to slay. And she did so while remaining Black as hell! Symone's approach to drag has always been a celebration of Black culture, and her entire Drag Race package was truly a love letter to it. From her mile-long durag look and the white "Say Their Names" runway, to her finale look with towering braids, Symone has not failed to share the love of her culture and its aesthetics with the world.
Friday's finale began with a ball: The four finalists were to showcase three different looks. Naturally, Symone knocked all three out of the park, but the one that really got our beauty brains buzzing was her "Red All Over" look. For the category, she wore a slinky, little red dress covered in fringe — which was actually just a ton of spray-painted acrylic nails. The details, from the matching nail earrings to the extra-long toenails hanging from her platforms were an absolute delight, but the hair, darling. That was nothing short of epic. Her blonde wig boasted a pair of high ponytails, but instead of traditional scrunchies, it looked like hands were holding the ponies in place.
I miss drag queen bingo. I need to check our local gay bar to see when it's coming back.Tiredretiredlawyer wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 11:40 am https://www.allure.com/story/drag-race- ... -nails-wig
Symone's Red Nail Look for the Drag Race Finale Was Filled With Hidden Messages