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raison de arizona wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 2:20 pm Not sure what your point is.
The technical term is "whataboutism," a dishonest comparison.

But here's the shocking thing - nobody gave a shit what the third-place finisher for the Republican candidate to be governor of New York :lol: had to say. Even Fox News was unable to generate a fake scandal about it.
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Why are they targeting immigrants from Argentina specifically?
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Slim Cognito wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 2:59 pm Not sure if it's true but when I was on my phone, I saw something that said DeSantis spent over $600,000 on two planes to fly 50 immigrants from Tx to Martha's Vineyard, working out to over $13K per person.

Yeah, like he couldn't have spent that $$ on getting us teachers.
Must be in the Desantis thread, image from a FOIA reply showing $635000(?) spent on a contract with an aviation company. One assumes charter flights. The only known flights at this time would be the immigrant relocation.
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A price tag like that causes me to wonder whether there was a kickback.
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much ado wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:51 pm A price tag like that causes me to wonder whether there was a kickback.
of course there was.
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much ado wrote: Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:51 pm A price tag like that causes me to wonder whether there was a kickback.
No kickback. I wash your back, you wash mine. Desantis just loves to spread around tax-payers money to his friends, so that that they will be indebted to him, and will back him when he needs them. The vaccine rollout (back when DeathSantis was okay with the vax) was a giant grift for Publix, as far as Ronny was concerned.
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Having posted that tweet, it is not clear to me that this is related.. Vertol Systems is a maintenance-like company that does lots of stuff for government aviation fleets..
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Social media is full of quasi-human neo-Republican US office holders laughing hysterically about how the left is reacting to 50 immigrants in their midst. "You can't handle it!" they squawk. "Got ya!"

It is so bizarre. They have no clue where the outrage is directed, or why--or why the compassionate reception those human beings who were treated like property got on MV is exactly the opposite of what they are pretending it is.
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Acyn @Acyn wrote: Miller: My message to every Republican Governor tonight is in every instance that you can, take the illegal immigrants in your state where the law allows you to and put them into the neighborhood of rich Democrats…
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Sigh… the use of human props for political points is despicable…
But, to go back to the actual problems— communities are having to deal with a constant influx of arrivals at our southern border. It seems clear to me that the current system is broken— arrivals are put into the system for evaluation and, since the court system is overloaded, they are put into the US for (I think I saw this as the average) about 8 months until a decision is made. Asylum is granted to a very small percentage of these arrivals.

Could the decision process be expedited to be within 48 hours for the easy cases where more research and interviews are not needed? And, how else could the actual problem be addressed beside many more courts, judges, advocates, etc?

Perhaps by addressing the number of arrivals by PR campaigns (or even preliminary processing?) at the point of origin of these traveling arrivals to severely curtail the number attempting something with a single digit percentage chance of succeeding? These people are being misled.

Of course, we need immigrant workers whether they are seeking citizenship or not. It is past time to really address difficult topics.

Yes, this has developed into a culture war phenomenon with these latest stunts. Sure, local Northern communities are being “good people” and gracious with 50 person sets of arrivals. But, border communities are dealing with tens and hundreds of thousands of arrivals— and it doesn’t stop.
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I agree it is a real problem but it would be nice if the states affected would reach out to northern states for humanitarian solutions, instead of this bullshit.
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Yeah, well of course, the goal is not to help the immigrants, that would be against all Republican principles. So they would never ask northern states for humanitarian help. The goal is to score political points with those who are basically racist.
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Umm…
I believe the issue has been met by deaf ears.
The real answers require federal implementation but it is considered to be an individual state problem.

At least the downstream consequences of the lack of federal solutions is experienced by the individual states. That sucks.

But, since it requires Federal (US based) solutions, and only a few individual states experience the downstream consequences, little actual action is taken.

Given that, expect tantrums to occur.

And, here we are.
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Seems to me if they keep shipping people to northern states when the next census happens these states may reclaim congressional seats from Florida and Texas.
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Danraft wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 2:46 pm Umm…
I believe the issue has been met by deaf ears.
The real answers require federal implementation but it is considered to be an individual state problem.

At least the downstream consequences of the lack of federal solutions is experienced by the individual states. That sucks.

But, since it requires Federal (US based) solutions, and only a few individual states experience the downstream consequences, little actual action is taken.

Given that, expect tantrums to occur.

And, here we are.
And yet it's those same border states (except Cal) that are actively blocking all attempts to reform immigration. Not saying the northern states are perfect, but if the border states refuse to even come to the table, we can't help them.
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W. Kevin Vicklund wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 5:46 pm
Danraft wrote: Sun Sep 18, 2022 2:46 pm Umm…
I believe the issue has been met by deaf ears.
The real answers require federal implementation but it is considered to be an individual state problem.

At least the downstream consequences of the lack of federal solutions is experienced by the individual states. That sucks.

But, since it requires Federal (US based) solutions, and only a few individual states experience the downstream consequences, little actual action is taken.

Given that, expect tantrums to occur.

And, here we are.
And yet it's those same border states (except Cal) that are actively blocking all attempts to reform immigration. Not saying the northern states are perfect, but if the border states refuse to even come to the table, we can't help them.
It's a real problem, and immigration reform has been blocked, but I also wonder about the other border states. Arizona? Border crisis. Texas? Border Crisis. Florida? Border crisis. New Mexico is between AZ and TX though, and I haven't heard a lot of border crisis out of there. Maybe it just doesn't get press :shrug: . Also, California? Border crisis? I dunno, I always hear about homeless crisis there. Also, NYC reportedly has an all-time high of 50k+ homeless. Who would start sending more there? How does that make sense?

Anyway, some people need a real Come To Jesus talk about getting something done with this issue. IMO.
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I think AZ and TX have the longest border sections with difficult terrain that are a pita to cover.
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If congress really wanted to solve the immigration problem, it could. All congress would have to do is make it so criminally painful to hire an undocumented worker, with stiff mandatory minimum sentences, that no one would ever risk it. When the demand for undocumented workers dries up, so would the supply.

The Republicans had their opportunity with Trump and a Republican-controlled congress. But congress knows that Americans don’t want to pay $15 for a head of lettuce, so they wring their hands and blame the bleeding-heart liberals.
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Marisa Kabas @MarisaKabas wrote: !!! a fake brochure promising eight months cash assistance, food, job training/placement, help with housing + more was given to migrants who were lured by @GovRonDeSantis into boarding a flight to martha’s vineyard.

@JuddLegum obtained a copy: https://popular.info/p/the-smoking-gun- ... s-vineyard
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Isn't this essentially human trafficking? :confuzzled: :?
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from last friday

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Interesting, but not surprising that DeSantis may have shot himself in the foot.
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That cruel political stunt Ron DeSantis pulled by trafficking immigrants?

By flying them from Texas to Martha's Vineyard?

It may have given them the opportunity to obtain a visa

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The Bexar County sheriff (San Antonio) is pursuing an investigation as to the mistreatment of these arrivals.
The press conference…
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