Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard
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I likes to do wordz stuff ....Jim wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 2:39 pmSpidle didn't make the list? I demand a recount!Tiredretiredlawyer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 2:27 pmThis word is hereby added to the Official Fogbow Lexicon and Snarksauraus.
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"Spidle" is in the Lexicon. "Vomitude" is a new entry.
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“If everyone fought for their own convictions there would be no war.” ― Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace
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"elaborate on ... the precise relief sought" is such a judicial burn: "Why are you bothering me, bro?"
I mean, Klayman's $750M asks are dumb, but at least there's no doubt about what he wants.
E.g.:
Related to this is: What is the cause of action? A Taitz favorite was to ask for a restraining order, unmoored from any legal basis for seeking one. Just because someone is doing something you don't like isn't enough to pester a judge, especially a federal one.
I mean, Klayman's $750M asks are dumb, but at least there's no doubt about what he wants.
E.g.:
Related to this is: What is the cause of action? A Taitz favorite was to ask for a restraining order, unmoored from any legal basis for seeking one. Just because someone is doing something you don't like isn't enough to pester a judge, especially a federal one.
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Two weeks later...and here Zee Furher is still getting punched in the dick...
And no one here seems to be tiring of it...
And no one here seems to be tiring of it...
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Re: Trump's Classified Docs: FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - Mar-A-Lago, DOJ, Merrick Garland - GOP Madness, Fallou
Do we know a Capitol Hill reporter who will go and ask Susan Collins if tfg has learned his lesson yet?
Re: Trump's Classified Docs: FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - Mar-A-Lago, DOJ, Merrick Garland - GOP Madness, Fallou
Basically, the judge is saying:
1) Why did you bring this to me rather than Judge Reinhart?
2) What can I do that Judge Reinhart can't?
3) You know, w/o an injunction, this is useless, right?
4) Why the fuck did you bring this to me?
5) You're supposed to tell DOJ about this.
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Volkonski wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 3:26 pm https:// twitter.com/FiFiEarthAngel/status/1562133815669276672CALL TO ACTIVISM@CalltoActivism
BREAKING: FBI agents found highly sensitive and classified documents lying around in unsecured places outside the storage room Trump had locked, according to WSJ.
7:38 pm · 23 Aug 2022·
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“If everyone fought for their own convictions there would be no war.” ― Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace
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Life imitates an episode of The Simpsons.RTH10260 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 5:44 pmVolkonski wrote: ↑Tue Aug 23, 2022 3:26 pm https:// twitter.com/FiFiEarthAngel/status/1562133815669276672CALL TO ACTIVISM@CalltoActivism
BREAKING: FBI agents found highly sensitive and classified documents lying around in unsecured places outside the storage room Trump had locked, according to WSJ.
7:38 pm · 23 Aug 2022·
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Re Trump’s “lawsuit”…
Shouldn't this but be filled in with US v Sealed Search Warrant & the case number?
Shouldn't this but be filled in with US v Sealed Search Warrant & the case number?
What's the Frequency, Kenneth?
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From what I understand it should have. No reason has been given that I'm aware of as to why it wasn't.
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Re: Trump's Classified Docs: FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - Mar-A-Lago, DOJ, Merrick Garland - GOP Madness, Fallou
Sounds might unspecific to me, DOJ or FBI perhaps, or will BLM reply?
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Certainly, but it's not clear that it makes a difference.
The civil cover sheet that is required to be filled out when commencing a _civil_ proceeding in federal court is a document of no substantive consequence for the proceeding itself. The court and the Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts use the information in cover sheets for their internal purposes: creating the docket sheets, keeping statistics as to the frequency of different kinds of litigation in federal courts, and occasionally for assigning cases to judges who specialize in certain areas or (if senior judges) decline certain kinds of cases.
It would be most unusual for misstatements or omissions in a civil cover sheet to have any more consequence than misstatements in an anonymous survey, and then only in conjunction with other forms of misconduct.
That said, one important purpose of the cover sheet is to consolidate related cases in front of a single judge.
Now, it frequently happens that a litigant would prefer that a new case _not_ be assigned to a judge handling a related case, particularly if the new case has been filed as an end run around an existing case which is going badly.
You may be shocked to learn that there are lawyers who are so lost to shame as to omit mention of a related case in the hopes of getting a different judge. "That trick never works," and occasionally a lawyer will be called out for trying it, but there are no real adverse consequences for the attempt. It can certainly annoy a judge, but typically the judge is already pissed off at the lawyer who tries it, so it doesn't make much difference.
In this case it was certainly improper for Trump's clown shoe lawyers to fail to mention the search warrant proceeding, and very likely it was done in bad faith, but it didn't fool anyone, and there won't be any disciplinary consequence to them.
It seems plausible to me that the new proceeding should have been assigned to Magistrate Judge Reinhart as related to the criminal search warrant proceeding, but IANACrL and the relatedness issue might not be straightforward. There are some kinds of proceedings -- including ordinary civil lawsuits -- that cannot be assigned to a federal magistrate judge without consent of the parties. However, it's not clear whether Trump's new whatever it is requires assignment to an Article III judge. If SDFL's operating procedures clearly treat the two proceedings as related, the new one will be reassigned.
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I think it affects the credibility of the lawyers. I wouldn't want a federal judge, or any for that matter, to decide I am a liar and my client may well be a liar cuz I only represent lying clients.
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Oh, sure, Trump's lawyers shot themselves in the foot by not disclosing the related case, and the judge noticed. But they damaged their professional credibility much more by signing that piece of garbage "motion" than by anything they could have done with the cover sheet.
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True that.
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Something I've been thinking about - recent reports are stating that FBI found some of the classified documents in tfg's bedroom and office - were they all in a safe? Let them argue all they want that the documents were kept secure in the locked room, but who the hell goes off for weeks (months?) to his other club and leaves private papers lying around for anyone to see? I can't imagine who has access except for the maids.
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The Chinese Nationalist maids? Or, better yet, the Russian maids who were instructed exactly where to find said docs.
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Tough call on those choicesSlim Cognito wrote: ↑Wed Aug 24, 2022 10:36 am The Chinese Nationalist maids? Or, better yet, the Russian maids who were instructed exactly where to find said docs.
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In the (teeny tiny) minds of his supporters:
1) Trump filed an excellent lawsuit in front of a different judge because Reinhart is obviously corrupt and a Joo. He signed the illegal unconstitutional search raid warrant and cannot be trusted to make any decisions whatsoever since he obviously hates the greatest man in the world. So, new case before a different judge? Brilliant move by our 45th president.
2) The swamp rats - led by Joe and Hunter Biden personally, except Joe is probably dead and Hunter is in charge - anyway, the swamp rats already got to the new judge, she's asking all kinds of impertinent and rude questions about stupid stuff like jurisdiction and equity WHO CARES, LADY? YOUR JOB IS TO SAVE TRUMP FROM THE OTHER JUDGE.
3) This is a HUGE WIN FOR DONALD TRUMP, OUR NATION'S 45TH PRESIDENT and anything that isn't an actual win is a terrible travesty of a mockery of a sham of two mockeries of a travesty, and the most horrible corrupt misuse of the police power of government in the history of mankind, going all the way back to the beginning. Whew.
1) Trump filed an excellent lawsuit in front of a different judge because Reinhart is obviously corrupt and a Joo. He signed the illegal unconstitutional search raid warrant and cannot be trusted to make any decisions whatsoever since he obviously hates the greatest man in the world. So, new case before a different judge? Brilliant move by our 45th president.
2) The swamp rats - led by Joe and Hunter Biden personally, except Joe is probably dead and Hunter is in charge - anyway, the swamp rats already got to the new judge, she's asking all kinds of impertinent and rude questions about stupid stuff like jurisdiction and equity WHO CARES, LADY? YOUR JOB IS TO SAVE TRUMP FROM THE OTHER JUDGE.
3) This is a HUGE WIN FOR DONALD TRUMP, OUR NATION'S 45TH PRESIDENT and anything that isn't an actual win is a terrible travesty of a mockery of a sham of two mockeries of a travesty, and the most horrible corrupt misuse of the police power of government in the history of mankind, going all the way back to the beginning. Whew.
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This needs mathematical clarification from Slarti or Tek or Volkonski.Foogy said, in part:... a terrible travesty of a mockery of a sham of two mockeries of a travesty....
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