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chancery wrote: Mon Aug 22, 2022 5:42 pm One of Wheeler's main points is that Trump is appearing pro se and that, because his lawyers haven't appeared as counsel, they are not subject to the obligations of an officer of the court.

But she appears to be completely wrong about this. The opening sentence states that Trump is moving "through his undersigned counsel," and the pleading is signed by all three lawyers. That's an appearance.

Puzzling that she got this wrong.
Now I understand. For a while the docket sheet listed Trump as "pro se." This is likely a combination of e-filing errors and the fact that it takes some finite time for the e-filing system to digest the various inputs made when a proceeding is commenced.

E-filing errors happen all the time, even with good firms experienced in federal litigation. So they don't necessarily mean much. And it's understandable that Wheeler was confused by the statement in the docket that Trump was filing pro se, although I think that a practitioner (Wheeler is a sharp person with a huge depth of expertise in many areas relevant to this litigation, but not a lawyer, let alone a litigator) would have waited until the docket sheet settled down before unleashing the snark.
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bob wrote: Mon Aug 22, 2022 6:02 pm
A seasoned magistrate, who regularly signs warrants and presides over litigation about warrants will not be impressed.
Judge Reinhart sits in West Palm Beach. Trump filed in the Fort Pierce division of SDFL, apparently because a Trump appointee is the current duty judge in Fort Pierce.


I deleted a prior tweet about where President Trump filed his motion for a special master because it appears that the matter was *randomly* assigned to Judge Cannon from West Palm Beach — even though (1) she sits in Fort Pierce; and (2) the duty judge for WPB is Judge Rosenberg.

Still curious if this will be transferred to Judge Reinhart, or does it need to be assigned to an Article 3 Judge? And if so, will it go to the judge which previously resolved the objections to one of Judge Reinhart's orders?
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chancery wrote: Mon Aug 22, 2022 5:34 pm
Edit: I don't know why my post shows a tweet from the middle of the thread. It's worth it to scroll up to the top and read the whole thing.
Tweet quote tip - When you select "Copy link to tweet" from a tweet thread, the link will be to the tweet you selected and the one above it. I typically go to the second tweet in a thread and select it. That way the first two tweets in a thread will appear here.
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https://www.amazon.com/gp/vine/newslett ... US_Default&
Patel says Trump just has to say documents are declassified and if there's a witness then, poof! They are declassified. Sounds legit.
So Kash didn't know they were there? Can't wait to hear about fingerprints :daydreaming:
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It is near Taitzian level of dumb.

It is acceptable to request that property be returned, and for a special master to be appointed. I'm not sure there's anything especially wrong with filing a separate lawsuit, as opposed to filing under the case number for the original warrant application.

But there are laws and rules and cases you cite when you want those things. And you supply evidence to support your claims. This trash did neither and contains huge amount of legally irrelevant greivances.
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Good succinct thread from a former federal prosecutor:


THREAD: What should we make of the motion filed by Trump's legal team regarding the search warrant executed at Trump's Mar-a-Lago residence?

Today Trump's legal team filed a very unusual motion regarding the search at his residence.

It is hard for me to explain just how unusual and bizarre this motion is, but I will try to do so in this thread.
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bob wrote: Mon Aug 22, 2022 7:59 pm https:// twitter.com/SpiroAgnewGhost/status/1561834934880202752
It is near Taitzian level of dumb.

It is acceptable to request that property be returned, and for a special master to be appointed. I'm not sure there's anything especially wrong with filing a separate lawsuit, as opposed to filing under the case number for the original warrant application.

But there are laws and rules and cases you cite when you want those things. And you supply evidence to support your claims. This trash did neither and contains huge amount of legally irrelevant greivances.
From the impotus news release: why does he need a Special Master when he claims in this wordsalad that the documents had been declassified?
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:confuzzled: :confuzzled:

If most of these documents are super super sekrit stuff that can only be looked at by staff in a super sekrit secure room, how do they pick a special master, likely not qualified to look at this super sekrit stuff, to look through them?
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I have long been wondering what authorities, if any, did show the thumbscrews and similar medevial hardware to all those people who may have snooped the Top Secret papers. Have they been sworn to secrecy for life, under threat of being sent to a Russian gulag camp in deepest Siberia, or lifelong residency at Gitmo?

(insert joke of notarized form with bloddy thumbprint and $0.03 stamp)
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300 classified documents

Boxes moving around

Trump’s lawyer rummaging thru them


All normal

What's the Frequency, Kenneth?
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Someone on twitter pointed out that one of Trump's lawyers, Lindsey Halligan, works at a large Florida firm, Cole, Scott & Kisane, which has over 500 attorneys. The firm apparently has expertise in white collar criminal investigation and defense, although possibly not in the hyper-specialized area of Espionage Act claims. One of the name partners, Thomas Scott, is a former United States Attorney for the Southern District of Florida.

Halligan, however, specializes in insurance property claims. And she's apparently doing this matter on her own, without help from the white collar crime specialists at her firm. The firm's name is conspicuously absent from her signature block.

It reminds me of the amusing incident from June 2021, when Lindell filed a RICO/LOL (but I repeat myself) suit against Dominion Voting Systems. The lawyer who signed the complaint was one Alec Beck, a labor/employment law specialist, who was a partner in the Minneapolis office of Barnes & Thornburg, a large national firm. He signed the complaint in his capacity as a B&T partner.

Within 24 hours of the complaint's filing, B&T had fired Beck and withdrawn as counsel for Lindell.

https://abovethelaw.com/2021/06/mypillo ... rico-suit/

I've seen no indication that CS&K has parted ways with Halligan, but :popcorn:
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Gift link to the NYTimes article -
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One thing about Trump's document is that it's filed as a separate action without complying with most of the rules for a separate complaint, but styled as a motion, without following most of the rules for motions. To be fair there is no rule governing a Youtube comment.

I know I am kind of obsessing about this but this is my area and this is historically and flamboyantly incompetent and surreal. Like imagine you love football and it's the Super Bowl and it's kickoff and the kicker whips out a javelin and kills the mascot and yells FOOT FAULT
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Ummm… this seems bad.
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How many operatives do Russia and China have working among the staff at MaL? Like cleaners and janitors? The WH kid mowing the lawn? ;)

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re cleaners. in a former life I worked at a computer center with fairly acceptable security for the kind of business they ran. So one weekend the cleaner decided to show her husband where she works, took him and their wiener dog down the otherwise unsecured industrial elevator (it did require a simple floor access key) and wandered around the mainframe cpus and spinning harddrives (the huge floor filling things - think early 1970s). Luckily the dog was well potty trained :cantlook:
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MN-Skeptic wrote: Mon Aug 22, 2022 9:18 pm Gift link to the NYTimes article -
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Chilidog wrote: Mon Aug 22, 2022 3:57 pm Et Tu, Fox News?
The Trump Mar-a-Lago search was justified
Here's the truth about the FBI search of Trump's Mar-a-Lago home on August 8
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/trump-m ... tified.amp
That's actually a really good article
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It is a great article.
Stated some very inflammatory facts in a passive observational voice... which is interesting.
The fact there were documents in a closet in Trump's office...
The fact that Trump himself reviewed the docs.
The fact that documents were observed moving in and out of storage and being placed in new containers
The fact that the form news anchor, his attorney, signed that there were no more documents.
The fact that there were NSA and CIA documents pertaining to national security
The fact that there is a further request for more footage of cameras requested after the warrant search
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@kyledcheney

👀The May 10 letter between NARA and the Trump team is extraordinarily damning for Trump team, confirms there was "special access program" level material found in files at Mar-a-Lago.

Trump ally John Solomon's team posted it here: https://justthenews.com/government/cour ... -documents

"The Executive Branch here is seeking access to records belonging to, and in the custody of, the Fed Govt itself...to “conduct an assessment of the potential damage resulting from the apparent manner in which these materials were stored and transported."

Trump allies pointed to this letter as some kind of evidence of Biden White House meddling. What it shows is officials expressing extreme alarm about national security damage based on records being held by Trump.

The letter shows that even though NARA recovered 15 boxes from Mar-a-Lago in January, FBI didn't access them until May.

"Among the materials in the boxes are over 100 documents with classification markings, comprising more than 700 pages."

The letter does more to show how Trump and his team resisted NARA entreaties than anything that has come out so far.

And this is all before subsequent tranches were discovered at Mar-a-Lago.
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Fascinating final passage in the letter to Trump's counsel from the National Archives and Records Administration (linked to in preceding post):
Please note that, in accordance with the PRA, 44 U.S.C. § 2205(3), the former President’s designated representatives can review the records, subject to obtaining the appropriate level of security clearance. Please contact my General Counsel, Gary M. Stern, if you would like to discuss the details of such a review, such as you proposed in your letter of May 5, 2022, particularly with respect to any unclassified materials.
Curious to know whether Trump's representatives were able to obtain clearance.
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"Obtained" is such BS, the dotard made him a custodian of NARA records. As noted above, this makes the dotard look even worse -- wonder if Solomon even asked before releasing it. To my knowledge, he doesn't have the security clearance to look at these records, imagine Kush doesn't anymore either, and the current POTUS pulled the dotard's clearance. Unlikely Christina Bobb does either. This letter helps make clear they are just "at the beginning" of the investigation, who knows how many people had access to NatSec materials. This is a disaster for our security and these people most be held to full account.

Here's the full letter in spoiler to save time and having to give a click to creepy Russian stooge John Solomon's site.

Full text of National Archives letter to Trump on classified documents
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Chilidog wrote: Mon Aug 22, 2022 5:49 pm I'm disappointed

I wanted to see Orly Taitz
I am sure many long-serving Fogfolk share your yearning and dream that over in Loogoony Niguel those spidery eyelashes are fluttering as our heroine collates* and staples** an ever-enlarging stack of zibbits.

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