This is federal court, which is notoriously anti-camera. Strong presumption against being televised.orlylicious wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:19 pm Is there a call-in number for this hearing? Or will it be televised?
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https://twitter.com/AndrewDesiderio seems to be covering it too.
Will the reporters have a media room with video access so they can live-tweet, or will we have to wait for updates when it's all said and done. Guess we'll have an answer soon enough
Will the reporters have a media room with video access so they can live-tweet, or will we have to wait for updates when it's all said and done. Guess we'll have an answer soon enough
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I can't quite follow his logic.
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I don't know if there will be a video feed in the media room, but there often is. And federal courts generally are pro-live devices in the courtroom. Meaning live tweeting could happen.
So, a typical state courtroom will permit a camera but prohibit live tweeting. While a typical federal courtroom will prohibit a camera but permit live tweeting.
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TY Bob, I haven't been in any court ever in my long life.bob wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:31 pmI don't know if there will be a video feed in the media room, but there often is. And federal courts generally are pro-live devices in the courtroom. Meaning live tweeting could happen.
So, a typical state courtroom will permit a camera but prohibit live tweeting. While a typical federal courtroom will prohibit a camera but permit live tweeting.
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Pro-Trump protesters are circling the area outside the courthouse here in West Palm Beach
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Per my teammate
@NicoleSganga
at the federal courthouse in Florida:
Christina Bobb, attorney for former President Donald Trump, is sitting in the first row of the courtroom
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H/T!bob wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:18 pmThe magistrate judge's ruling is reviewable. Judges don't like to be reversed, so they give reasons ("justifications") for their rulings, to explain to the higher courts (and the parties, and the public) how and why the rulings were made.
The judge's ruling, however, likely will be terse and ultimately unilluminating, e.g., "The government opposes unsealing the application to prevent revealing the details of an ongoing investigation; this is a sound reason, and my independent review of the application and its supporting evidence concludes the government's concerns are valid. Denied."
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For Jordan and many other MAGAts, anyone who turns their coat was ab initio a spy. It couldn't possibly be that they grew disillusioned and disgusted with what they saw, or thought to protect themselves after witnessing a crime with which they did not wish to be associated; no, they must instead have been a spy and government plant from the beginning.
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It's like the Madisonville Hoax all over again! It's a pity if Walt and Darren aren't there.
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NEWS: The investigation of classified records at Mar-a-Lago is in its "early stages," a top DOJ official said in federal court today.
Releasing the warrant affidavit could jeopardize "several witnesses," he added.
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Nb.:
Mr. Transparency suddenly has nothing to say once he's in court.
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this is on my spotify list. i played for my son who was unfamiliar with it. he enjoyed it, even though most of the cultural references went over his head.orlylicious wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:19 pm Is there a call-in number for this hearing? Or will it be televised?
ETA: Won't be televised as per Nicholas.
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To use terms that Trump would understand... a snitch, a rat.Ben-Prime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 1:21 pm For Jordan and many other MAGAts, anyone who turns their coat was ab initio a spy. It couldn't possibly be that they grew disillusioned and disgusted with what they saw, or thought to protect themselves after witnessing a crime with which they did not wish to be associated; no, they must instead have been a spy and government plant from the beginning.
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Or in the words of James Cagney (1932): "you dirty, yellow-bellied rat!"...
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Due to Twitter's limited characters, "says there’s grand jury material and it would show “nothing of substance”" likely means "because the affidavit contains grand-jury material, a redacted affidavit would show nothing of substance," i.e., so redacted as to be useless.
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"Willful* retention of national defense information"
"Obstruction of federal investigation"
* "Willful" is a tell in legal speak; it discounts unintentional possession. "Retention" may also suggest that he was told to no-harm, no-foul return the information, but instead ("willfully") chose to retain the documents. Meaning the feebs believe there's at least probable cause of criminal intent.
"For completeness," 18 USC. sec. 793, subd. (d):
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The cover sheet is released
"Evidence of a crime"
"Evidence of a crime"
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But in this case....northland10 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 2:53 pm
To use terms that Trump would understand... a snitch, a rat.
Snitchin' is bitchin'....
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So the motherfucker was given multiple chances, and explicitly told that the documents belonged to the government, and warned repeatedly that it might result in criminal charges if he kept them ... and he decided to keep them anyway, in yet another giant fuck-you to the United States of America.
Kinda makes ya wonder why it was so important to steal those particular documents from the government.
Kinda makes ya wonder why it was so important to steal those particular documents from the government.
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why -to sell obviouslyFoggy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:08 pm So the motherfucker was given multiple chances, and explicitly told that the documents belonged to the government, and warned repeatedly that it might result in criminal charges if he kept them ... and he decided to keep them anyway, in yet another giant fuck-you to the United States of America.
Kinda makes ya wonder why it was so important to steal those particular documents from the government.
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It may not be quite that sinister. It may just be a case of a 75 year toddler throwing a tantrum and screaming "MINE, MINE, MINE!".Foggy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:08 pm So the motherfucker was given multiple chances, and explicitly told that the documents belonged to the government, and warned repeatedly that it might result in criminal charges if he kept them ... and he decided to keep them anyway, in yet another giant fuck-you to the United States of America.
Kinda makes ya wonder why it was so important to steal those particular documents from the government.
I'm sure that he honestly (if that word can be used in conjunction with Donald Trump) believes that the documents were his to take. After all, he was the President! I think he may have refused to return them because that would be admitting that he did not have the right/authority to take them. It wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't even know the contents of the documents.