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Apparently he's only suspending it so he can keep his delegates and have some leverage at the convention. His campaign surrogates did a grand job of demonizing Biden on the Twitter machine, retweeting every single negative thing they could, and he said not a word about support of Biden during his Look at Me Me Me Me Me Me Me Me Me announcement. I think he did say it's important to beat Trump, but he still didn't put his full support behind Biden. Just like what he did in 2016, I'm expecting him to wait until his supporters are completely poisoned regarding the Democratic nominee and then he'll actually say that he supports him. Asshole.
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Apparently he's only suspending it so he can keep his delegates and have some leverage at the convention. :snippity:
Yeah, that sums it up. What is telling is that Bernie said his campaign was more than a campaign it was a movement spanning races (oh really?) and age groups from young to old. Well any campaign can claim that. If his movement was so great where were the damned votes? :fingerwag:
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I came across many of the Bernie supporters attacking Joe Biden on Twitter. Yesterday. Their claims, on their face, are nonsense. Different day or year, shame shit. They either want Trump out of office or they don't. That's what it's come down to. The Sanders supporters (many of them very young) don't seem willing to accept democracy. The Democratic voters have spoken. Over and over and over. I think it's a problem when you let someone run in the primaries who isn't a Democrat. There is no real incentive to support the party outcome. And it doesn't help when the "leader" isn't really a leader at all.
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HT to Bernie, from whom I learned much about history, social democracy, and health care politics over the past twelve years.

Since I support most of his positions (probably all of them in some form), I'm glad he will be trying to influence the platform, especially when it comes for the desperate need for some form of universal coverage.
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RVInit wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:13 pm
Apparently he's only suspending it so he can keep his delegates and have some leverage at the convention. His campaign surrogates did a grand job of demonizing Biden on the Twitter machine, retweeting every single negative thing they could, and he said not a word about support of Biden during his Look at Me Me Me Me Me Me Me Me Me announcement. I think he did say it's important to beat Trump, but he still didn't put his full support behind Biden. Just like what he did in 2016, I'm expecting him to wait until his supporters are completely poisoned regarding the Democratic nominee and then he'll actually say that he supports him. Asshole.
Leverage? Perhaps. But now much. Plus it is up to the party to determine what to do with delegates for a suspended campaign. Perhaps he can keep them but they can also be taken away. And, remember, he's not a Democrat.
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The most important thing for Bernie to work on now isn't all his vaunted progressive ideas - it is getting his supporters on board behind Biden to beat trump. Now.

Because if that doesn't happen, you can forget about those vaunted progressive ideals for the next several decades.

And Bernie: you are smart enough to know this. Tamp your ego down and do what's right.
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I hope he does. But, frankly, I think its Bitchen Bernie from here to November. Hope I'm wrong.
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Suranis wrote:
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I hope he does. But, frankly, I think its Bitchen Bernie from here to November. Hope I'm wrong.
I hope not but about everything he says and does tells me he is a delusional narcissist from remaining an independent while leaching off the Democratic party infrastructure to believing he has a devoted army of young people who will carry him to victory any day now.
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tek wrote:
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Because if that doesn't happen, you can forget about those vaunted progressive ideals for the next several decades.

Progressive ideals are the only thing that’s gonna pull us out of the great Corona depression.

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TexasFilly wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:26 pm
The Sanders supporters (many of them very young) don't seem willing to accept democracy. The Democratic voters have spoken. Over and over and over. I think it's a problem when you let someone run in the primaries who isn't a Democrat. There is no real incentive to support the party outcome. And it doesn't help when the "leader" isn't really a leader at all.
Yeah, I am seeing a lot of stuff in my feed talking about how Sander's nomination was stolen, 'damn the DNC!' 'damn the establishment!' 'damn other leaders for not backing him!' 'damn the media for being against us!'. Very little 'hrm, maybe Sanders as a person isn't a great choice?

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Jeffrey wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:03 pm
tek wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:11 pm
Because if that doesn't happen, you can forget about those vaunted progressive ideals for the next several decades.

Progressive ideals are the only thing that’s gonna pull us out of the great Corona depression.
I agree, but Sanders and his toxic supporters have done incredible damage to the progressive movement.

The more those ideals are associated with Sanders, the less likely they are to result in any actual change that helps people.

There is a bigger chance of a Mel Gibson Jewish Community Center than anything called Medicare for All becoming law.

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I'm 1not gonna say "buh bye" or take him off the official list of candy dates, because he hasn't really officially quit. It kinda smells like McCain "suspending" his campaign in '08.

I can always change it if he really does quit the race. :smoking:
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Dan1100 wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:37 pm
Jeffrey wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:03 pm
tek wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:11 pm
Because if that doesn't happen, you can forget about those vaunted progressive ideals for the next several decades.

Progressive ideals are the only thing that’s gonna pull us out of the great Corona depression.
I agree, but Sanders and his toxic supporters have done incredible damage to the progressive movement.

The more those ideals are associated with Sanders, the less likely they are to result in any actual change that helps people.

There is a bigger chance of a Mel Gibson Jewish Community Center than anything called Medicare for All becoming law.
:yeah: I have no problem with his policies, as a matter of fact I support most of them. But I can't stand Sanders as a person. He is a toxic divider and has many of the same personality flaws as the current occupant of the White House. He has all the qualities of a cult leader, has done nothing to encourage healthy support and everything to encourage cult following. Also, I saw no evidence that he ever attempted to stop his campaign surrogates from retweeting toxic anti-Biden conspiracy theory whackadoodle BS.
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RVInit wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:22 pm
Dan1100 wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:37 pm
Jeffrey wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:03 pm



Progressive ideals are the only thing that’s gonna pull us out of the great Corona depression.
I agree, but Sanders and his toxic supporters have done incredible damage to the progressive movement.

The more those ideals are associated with Sanders, the less likely they are to result in any actual change that helps people.

There is a bigger chance of a Mel Gibson Jewish Community Center than anything called Medicare for All becoming law.
:yeah: I have no problem with his policies, as a matter of fact I support most of them. But I can't stand Sanders as a person. He is a toxic divider and has many of the same personality flaws as the current occupant of the White House. He has all the qualities of a cult leader, has done nothing to encourage healthy support and everything to encourage cult following. Also, I saw no evidence that he ever attempted to stop his campaign surrogates from retweeting toxic anti-Biden conspiracy theory whackadoodle BS.
I've always seen Sanders as a left wing version of Trump.....
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Yeah frater! Someone described him as "the other side of the horseshoe."
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RVInit wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:22 pm
Dan1100 wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:37 pm
Jeffrey wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:03 pm



Progressive ideals are the only thing that’s gonna pull us out of the great Corona depression.
I agree, but Sanders and his toxic supporters have done incredible damage to the progressive movement.

The more those ideals are associated with Sanders, the less likely they are to result in any actual change that helps people.

There is a bigger chance of a Mel Gibson Jewish Community Center than anything called Medicare for All becoming law.
:yeah: I have no problem with his policies, as a matter of fact I support most of them. But I can't stand Sanders as a person. He is a toxic divider and has many of the same personality flaws as the current occupant of the White House. He has all the qualities of a cult leader, has done nothing to encourage healthy support and everything to encourage cult following. Also, I saw no evidence that he ever attempted to stop his campaign surrogates from retweeting toxic anti-Biden conspiracy theory whackadoodle BS.
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RVInit wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:22 pm
:yeah: I have no problem with his policies, as a matter of fact I support most of them. But I can't stand Sanders as a person. He is a toxic divider and has many of the same personality flaws as the current occupant of the White House. He has all the qualities of a cult leader, has done nothing to encourage healthy support and everything to encourage cult following. Also, I saw no evidence that he ever attempted to stop his campaign surrogates from retweeting toxic anti-Biden conspiracy theory whackadoodle BS.
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Foggy wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:09 pm
I'm 1not gonna say "buh bye" or take him off the official list of candy dates, because he hasn't really officially quit. It kinda smells like McCain "suspending" his campaign in '08.

I can always change it if he really does quit the race. :smoking:
Your call, Foggy, but Buttigieg, Klobuchar and Warrent suspended their campaigns too. So did Hillary Clinton in 2008, when she conceded to Obama. It's a typical way to end because it leaves the candidate financial leverage to pay off debts or support other candidates or causes.

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RVInit wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:22 pm
:yeah: I have no problem with his policies, as a matter of fact I support most of them. But I can't stand Sanders as a person. He is a toxic divider and has many of the same personality flaws as the current occupant of the White House. He has all the qualities of a cult leader, has done nothing to encourage healthy support and everything to encourage cult following. Also, I saw no evidence that he ever attempted to stop his campaign surrogates from retweeting toxic anti-Biden conspiracy theory whackadoodle BS.
My feelings exactly - you nailed it, RV!

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Obama to jump off sidelines for Biden with Sanders quitting presidential bid

Barack Obama and Bernie Sanders had several conversations in recent weeks, a source told the Chicago Sun-Times.


Sen. Bernie Sanders’ decision Wednesday to end his 2020 presidential campaign unleashes former President Barack Obama to finally get off the sidelines and campaign to defeat President Donald Trump.

Obama stayed out of the primary out of deference to the many Democrats running when the contest started more than a year ago. With Sanders out, Obama is free to jump in for his former vice president, Joe Biden. A source told the Chicago Sun-Times that Obama and Sanders have had several conversations in recent weeks.

Even when it became clear last month that Biden would be the presumptive nominee, Obama was not going to make a move until Sanders, the independent democratic socialist from Vermont, folded his second run for the White House.

In a livestream from his home in Burlington, Vermont, Sanders, said, “As I see the crisis gripping the nation, I cannot in good conscience continue to mount a campaign that cannot win and which would interfere in the important work required of all of us in this difficult hour.”

And with that, Biden vaulted into the November general election.
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RVInit wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:22 pm
:yeah: I have no problem with his policies, as a matter of fact I support most of them. But I can't stand Sanders as a person. He is a toxic divider and has many of the same personality flaws as the current occupant of the White House. He has all the qualities of a cult leader, has done nothing to encourage healthy support and everything to encourage cult following. Also, I saw no evidence that he ever attempted to stop his campaign surrogates from retweeting toxic anti-Biden conspiracy theory whackadoodle BS.
Thisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthisthis.

Bernie is really only into dissing the establishment and promoting himself. He used his claimed progressivism to sell himself to certain groups: genuine progressives who loved his agenda but didn't closely scrutinize the politician behind them, and fellow anti-establishment types who really don't GAF about politics, including their candidate's agenda, just sticking it to the establishment. Same as Bernie.

And I say "claimed", because as I've said over and over again, the man has had thirty years to actually work on progressive ideals, but he couldn't be bothered to make the slightest effort. Not until his ego decided it'd be a fine thing to run as President, and even then, it was all talk.

We are much better off finding candidates who have an actual history of working to make progressive goals happen than to settle for an idle backbencher.
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Bernie on with Colbert:



If you want to skip to 5:40 you can see Bernie tap dancing. Stephen chokes backs laughter when Bernie does his shtick.
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Colbert is an effective interviewer. Bernie either didn't get the Passover reference or chose to ignore it. Bernie would have you believe that only people over 50 voted for Joe. Bernie still is kinda threaty, just what we need to defeat Trump!
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