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Bernie Sanders Launches 2020 Presidential Bid, Fires Opening Salvo at Trump: 'He Is a Pathological Liar...a Racist, a Sexist, a Homophobe'

Bernie Sanders is officially in the running for the 2020 presidential race, with the Vermont senator telling Vermont Public Radio in an interview that aired Tuesday morning that he's ready to "move the revolution forward." ...

"I wanted to let the people of the state of Vermont know about this first," Sanders, 77, told VPR's Bob Kinzel. "And what I promise to do is, as I go around the country, is to take the values that all of us in Vermont are proud of—a belief in justice, in community, in grassroots politics, in town meetings—that's what I'm going to carry all over this country."

Sanders also had strong words for President Donald Trump, who is set to run for re-election in 2020.

"I think the current occupant of the White House is an embarrassment to our country," Sanders said. "I think he is a pathological liar… I also think he is a racist, a sexist, a homophobe, a xenophobe, somebody who is gaining cheap political points by trying to pick on minorities, often undocumented immigrants."

Shortly after the interview aired, Sanders released a video on Twitter, announcing his presidential run. ...

Sanders's first campaign video touts the growing popularity of his "Medicare for all" plan, as well as his campaign for free tuition and advocacy work for the fight against climate change. It also champions the Vermont senator for taking on corporate giants like Amazon and pushing for a higher minimum wage, in addition to shining a spotlight on his "fight to end injustices" in the U.S. and around the world. ...

This is a developing story and it will be updated as more information becomes available.
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I want to apologize ahead of time if this seems ageist, but I really think we need newer blood to run. Fresher ideas. I think the same about Biden, though I think he would be great.

Is that just me?
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I think Biden would be great, but fuck Bernie.
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Jez wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:35 am
I want to apologize ahead of time if this seems ageist, but I really think we need newer blood to run. Fresher ideas. I think the same about Biden, though I think he would be great.

Is that just me?
No, my coworker and I had the same conversation this morning and we're almost Bernie's age.

That said, Biden does have the experience we need to clean this :shit: up once Trump is out. I think Beto would be a great running mate.

:pray: :pray: :pray: Maddow doesn't have him in for a sit down on tonight's show like she's done for the other candidates.

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Bernie wouldn't bother me so much if he picks a younger electable running mate. He needs a friendly congress to govern with him or he will accomplish little. Biden would be a more mainstream candidate, but he's also a one-term president. Any Dem would be better than that piece of work currently in the White House, but our next president will need to clean up the mess left by this current president. We need to recapture the Senate, it's that simple.
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Honestly I'm half suspicious of this "fresh blood" argument anyway. It seems to have been posted so ubiquitously and so suddenly that I suspect its been inserted into the social media conversation via lotsa bots. Its almost like SOME PEOPLE don't want an experienced battle-tested politician going up against the Great Senile, and Putin, and as an attack on the candidate that wins. Which of course wont be an argument against the Great Senile because.

But looking at it that way it shows who they are afraid of.

You don't need fresh blood at the top. Where you need it is in the trenches, where energy can get experience.
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Kendra wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:43 am
Jez wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:35 am
I want to apologize ahead of time if this seems ageist, but I really think we need newer blood to run. Fresher ideas. I think the same about Biden, though I think he would be great.

Is that just me?
No, my coworker and I had the same conversation this morning and we're almost Bernie's age.

That said, Biden does have the experience we need to clean this :shit: up once Trump is out. I think Beto would be a great running mate.

:pray: :pray: :pray: Maddow doesn't have him in for a sit down on tonight's show like she's done for the other candidates.
Beto for VP makes any ticket look better. Especially if the older candidate is only looking for 1 term.

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Suranis wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:07 pm
You don't need fresh blood at the top. Where you need it is in the trenches, where energy can get experience.
This exactly.

You want the most experienced people with the deepest ties to other institutions you can get at the top, then you want fresh blood at the bottom where you can form power blocks to influence the leadership priorities.

For being anti-authoaritarian, rank and file democrats can be surprisingly top-down in their thinking, focusing too much energy on getting the ideologically correct people in the top positions in some sort of hope that if they get the leadership somehow everything below that will change.

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My interpretation of the preference for a younger candidate is that it's not about ideology or experience so much as attractiveness to voters, in other words, electability.

One factor in that preference is the belief that many voters have a "plague on both your houses" attitude, manifest in the votes for the perceived outsider Trump at both primary and general elections, and also evident recently in other countries: France, Greece, etc.

The question "who would make the best president?" desperately needs the qualifier "if elected". The critical step is getting elected, first and always.

I really don't know what factors will win the next presidential election. That needs to be determined with careful polling and intelligent analysis.

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Associated Press
The Latest: Leahy Backs Sanders in Shift From 2016

On the first day of his presidential campaign, Bernie Sanders picked up the support of his fellow home-state senator, Democrat Patrick Leahy.

Leahy, who endorsed Hillary Clinton in the 2016 Democratic primary, says he'll back Sanders this year.

In a statement, Leahy said the Democratic field was strong and "Bernie's entry makes the field even stronger." He called Sanders "a proven leader with a strong message."

Also supporting Sanders is Vermont Rep. Peter Welch, who also backed him in 2016.

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Attractiveness??? You are talking them going up against Donald Trump, a fucker so hideous that you could stick the Emperor from Star Wars beside him, and everyone would go "wow, that Emperor sure is sexy by comparison."

Attractiveness is the least thing they should be concerned with
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Daily Beast
Bernie Sanders Hires Top Progressive Advocate, Faiz Shakir, as Campaign Manager

For his second run at the White House, the Senator is leaning on one of the most-seasoned progressives in the party.


Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) has tapped Faiz Shakir to serve as his campaign manager for his second run at the White House, the Daily Beast has learned.

In hiring Shakir, Sanders brings into the fold one of the Democratic Party’s better-travelled operatives—an official with limited campaign experience but with ties to the party’s think tank infrastructure, its Hill operations and the larger progressive universe.

Shakir joins the Sanders operation from the American Civil Liberties Union where he served as national political director since early 2017. Before joining the ACLU, he was a senior adviser to then-Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) and before that he worked with House Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA). He first made a name for himself as an editor at the site ThinkProgress, the blogging arm of the powerhouse Democratic think-tank Center for American Progress.

Shakir held a meeting with his team at the ACLU at noon on Tuesday to announce that he was leaving to join the Sanders campaign, The Daily Beast has learned. His departure is expected to be announced imminently by the civil-liberties giant.
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Business Insider: Bernie Sanders raked in more than $4 million in donations hours after announcing his 2020 presidential bid
Ten hours after announcing he would run in the 2020 US presidential election, Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont raised more than $4 million from nearly 150,000 individual donors, the campaign said in an email on Tuesday.

Faiz Shakir, Sanders' campaign manager, could not confirm the exact amount on Tuesday afternoon but said in an email to INSIDER: "They're YUGE."

Sanders' figures set a new record for first-day donations in the 2020 race.

Sen. Kamala Harris, another 2020 Democratic candidate, previously held the title after raising $1.5 million from 38,000 donors within the first day, Politico reported in January.

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Oh dear, you've forgotten your medication. Donald Trump might not be the opponent in the next election. Or have you had a vision guaranteeing it?

And it's not about attractiveness to Irish pundits, it's not even about attractiveness to Democrats, it's about attractiveness to the muddled morass of all voters, including the deplorables.

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Sam the Centipede wrote:
Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:37 pm
Oh dear, you've forgotten your medication. Donald Trump might not be the opponent in the next election. Or have you had a vision guaranteeing it?

And it's not about attractiveness to Irish pundits, it's not even about attractiveness to Democrats, it's about attractiveness to the muddled morass of all voters, including the deplorables.
It's not about the deplorables. They aren't going to vote D no matter what. At best they'll stay home.

To the extent that attractiveness matters, it is about independents and getting D's to turnout. Mostly about getting D's to turn out.

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I agree the best the deplorables will do is stay home. And I really don't think you can count on the never-trumpers either. They may hate twitler, but not enough to vote for Democratic policies. The best they can do is stay home, too.
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I love Bernie (voted for him in the primary) and I love Joe. But I doubt I will vote for either in the primary. I don't want a younger candidate because they are "too old". I want a younger candidate because the effing world has changed; communication has changed (this is the big one); children go to school afraid they will die. The younger generation recognizes the shit they are facing in the future; they by and large expect a diverse world. I want a younger candidate because I want someone who thinks and talks and strategizes in what I perceive to be a new way.
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Sen. Sanders gave the exact same response to the question about his “tax returns” that he gave in 2016.

He has been “preparing/looking for his tax returns” for the past 3 years....
Also, remember, they are "boring." :bored:

Bore me, Bernie. Ya, bore me. Because there is no way there would be anything in your tax returns you don't want us to see...
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USA Today
'I am a member of the Democratic Party': Sanders signs loyalty pledge for 2020 bid

WASHINGTON – Sen. Bernie Sanders signed a pledge, required under new Democratic National Committee rules, that declared he was a Democrat and would serve as one if elected president, according to media reports.

Sanders, an independent from Vermont, is one of more than a dozen candidates who has launched a presidential bid or announced an exploratory committee for a White House run. He signed the pledge, which was given to all 2020 candidates for their signature, on Tuesday, according to a copy obtained by NBC News.

"I am a member of the Democratic Party," the document signed by Sanders reads. "I will run a Democrat, accept the nomination of my Party, and I will serve as a Democrat if elected."

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Addie wrote:
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"I am a member of the Democratic Party," the document signed by Sanders reads. "I will run a Democrat, accept the nomination of my Party, and I will serve as a Democrat if elected."
Bullshit, Bernie.

Here's one Democrat who's looking for candidates who've proven they can get things done. You've accomplished far less in your entire political career than any other contender who's spent at least four years in Congress.
I've heard this bull before.

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DejaMoo wrote:
Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:09 pm
Addie wrote:
Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:43 pm
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"I am a member of the Democratic Party," the document signed by Sanders reads. "I will run a Democrat, accept the nomination of my Party, and I will serve as a Democrat if elected."
Bullshit, Bernie.

Here's one Democrat who's looking for candidates who've proven they can get things done. You've accomplished far less in your entire political career than any other contender who's spent at least four years in Congress.
Why does this remind me of Trump's pledge?
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I welcome all comers in the primaries, there are serious discussions to have regarding where the majority of the Democratic Party lands on issues like GND and Medicare For All (I prefer Medicare at 55 to start). But personally I think Bernie Sanders is
1. Too old
2. Too big of a target (this is why the GOP was behind him last time, they wanted to love him until he got the nomination then slam a billion in "socialist" labeling on him)
3. Either complicit or stupid: The amount that Tad Devine and other associates made off an unsuspecting public in the 2016 campaign was absolutely scandalous, personally it seemed crooked to me
4. Not really interested in the Democratic party, he just wants our infrastructure and money
5. Still under investigation? Those investigations about shady financial dealings (like the real estate his wife was involved in) haven't concluded

That's to start. Again, the more voices the better, but I'd prefer to never vote for him.
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Tiredretiredlawyer wrote:
Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:32 pm
DejaMoo wrote:
Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:09 pm
Addie wrote:
Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:43 pm
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Bullshit, Bernie.

Here's one Democrat who's looking for candidates who've proven they can get things done. You've accomplished far less in your entire political career than any other contender who's spent at least four years in Congress.
Why does this remind me of Trump's pledge?
Personally, Bernie reminds me all too much of Trump. Won't release his tax returns, has some explainin' to do about Russian connections with his campaign, proclaims himself a man of the people yet shelled out $600K cash to buy himself a third home, has a wife who was under investigation by the FBI (provably incompetent, if not criminal, but she kicked back business to her daughter's business), talks out of both sides of his mouth (calls himself a Democrat for POTUS, a Socialist for Congress). Another cantankerous OLD white man, as if politics isn't oversupplied with them already.

We need new people, new ideas, new representation to make the up-and-comers believe politics works for them. If we go for another Old White Guy, they're gonna give up and walk away in disgust. And there goes our momentum for another dozen years.

So yeah - no to Biden, too.

We're the Geritol Set. Our time has come and gone. Time to step aside gracefully.
I've heard this bull before.

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This bullshit all over again.
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Orlylicious wrote:
Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:45 pm
I welcome all comers in the primaries, there are serious discussions to have regarding where the majority of the Democratic Party lands on issues like GND and Medicare For All (I prefer Medicare at 55 to start). But personally I think Bernie Sanders is
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3. Either complicit or stupid: The amount that Tad Devine and other associates made off an unsuspecting public in the 2016 campaign was absolutely scandalous, personally it seemed crooked to me
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Thanks to Robert S. Mueller III’s prosecution of Paul Manafort, the former Trump campaign chairman and sometime business associate of Devine, we now have an unusual glimpse into the role the Democratic ad man had in electing and preserving the power of Ukraine’s Viktor Yanukovych, a crooked pro-Putin autocrat. Though American political consultants routinely rake in cash from foreign leaders — even shady ones — Devine’s seamless pivot from advocate for antidemocratic thug to champion of a principled democratic reformer shows extraordinary flexibility.
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Yanukovych’s fraudulent election in 2004 as Ukraine’s president was invalidated, but not before his opponent was poisoned by dioxin. Yet testimony in the Manafort trial and documents released by Manafort’s lawyers show Devine helped Manafort on Yanukovych’s comeback as prime minister in 2006 and successful presidential run in 2010. Devine produced a memo of advice for Yanukovych’s party in 2012, even though by then Yanukovych had thrown the leading opposition politician in jail and had built a $100 million mansion — complete with zoo, helipad, golf course and replica galleon on an artificial lake — while his people were, in Devine’s own words, struggling with “joblessness, hunger and the general despair.”

Yanukovych was ousted in 2014 after he halted Ukraine’s movement toward the European Union, yet Devine offered to help Manafort’s efforts in the 2014 Ukraine election — for a price. “We are ready to take on this project,” he wrote to Manafort partner Rick Gates, for $100,000 per month (payable in advance), $25,000 per week of runoff, a $50,000 “success fee” and expenses including first-class airfare. In June 2014 — even as talks about the Sanders presidential run were getting underway — Devine went to Ukraine to help remnants of Yanukovych’s party reforming under a new name. “My rate for something like this would be $10,000/day, including travel days,” he wrote to Gates.
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Manafort, who worked for the world’s sleazebags, made no pretense of scruples. But Devine was the guy molding the Sanders campaign as a righteous, everyman’s insurgency against the corrupt, wealthy establishment. Devine, who had worked on Sanders’s first campaign for the Senate in 2006 (the same year he plotted Yanukovych’s comeback), earned more than $5 million for his firm from the populist Sanders presidential campaign and at least $10 million in commissions split with another firm, according to a Slate tally.
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When I began researching the awful people working on the Trump campaign, I quickly learned about Manafort and his buddy Devine. By then, my friends who supported Sanders were losing their goddamn minds and were accusing Clinton of covering up a massive pedophilia ring run by leaders of the Democratic Party. They also claimed she had multiple sclerosis, dementia, seizures, mental illness, etc., and posted altered clips to prove it. (Now we know those lies were part of the Russian attack.) A lot of this occurred on Sanders campaign worker forums and message boards. I asked why they were helping Trump, which led to attacks on me. Given Devine's work in Ukraine and the emerging information about Russian interference in '16, I wondered if he played in a role in what was occurring. But if not, surely he must have recognized the flood of disinformation for what it was - since he was involved with that in the Ukraine.

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The only way I'd take this seriously is if Bernie agreed to abide by the outcome of the primaries and nomination process. If the Democratic Party nominates him*, fine. If not, he agrees to step aside.

I don't see him agreeing to this.

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