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Yeah, same with the "core of molten metal" nonsense. :smoking:
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And gravity. How could birds fly if there was gravity.

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Oh man ... I'll never forget what happened that time we forgot to pay our gravity bill. :shock:
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Foggy wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:38 pm
Oh man ... I'll never forget what happened that time we forgot to pay our gravity bill. :shock:
Oh gee! Did they get heavy with you?

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RTH10260 wrote:
Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:06 pm
ABC News wrote:
Published on 27 Jun 2018
Many believers at the Flat Earth International Conference, an educational seminar about our planet a hookup opportunity, support a theory delusion that Earth is flat.

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I would assume that the Flat Earth Society is a lot like Mensa - mostly literate people pretending to some level of advancement looking to get drunk and/or laid.

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Fortinbras wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:21 pm
I would assume that the Flat Earth Society is a lot like Mensa - mostly literate people pretending to some level of advancement looking to get drunk and/or laid.
Hey! Mensa members have a proven level of advancement. Otherwise... yeah, exactly.
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RoadScholar wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:30 pm
Fortinbras wrote:
Wed Aug 08, 2018 2:21 pm
I would assume that the Flat Earth Society is a lot like Mensa - mostly literate people pretending to some level of advancement looking to get drunk and/or laid.
Hey! Mensa members have a proven level of advancement. Otherwise... yeah, exactly.
I wonder if their table manners and hygiene are any better? Although on second thought, considering the group in question doubtful.
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(I saw this recently on facebook, apologies in advance if I'n stealing it from one of you fine people.)

The only thing Flat Earthers have to fear, is Sphere itself.

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:rotflmao: :like:
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Somebody actually did what the flat earthers were saying they were going to do, and they won't like the result.

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Why don't take a trip to the edge of the earth and take pictures? Prove us all wrong.
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Northland10 wrote:
Sun Sep 09, 2018 7:53 am
Why don't take a trip to the edge of the earth and take pictures? Prove us all wrong.
It would be such an adventure! They would be like the explorers of old, except honest.

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Northland10 wrote:
Sun Sep 09, 2018 7:53 am
Why don't take a trip to the edge of the earth and take pictures? Prove us all wrong.
Now that would be fun to see....
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While we're on flatearthism -- I wanted to share my debunking 'line' with a sympathetic audience.

I know the flat earth can be directly and scientifically debunked ten ways from Sunday, but here's a line of reasoning I also like. It starts with the premise that not only is the earth flat, but there is a vast conspiracy by scientists and educators to uphold the heliocentric, global "myth" (as there would have to be, for things to be as they are).

First, I point out how many tens of thousands, possibly millions, of individuals would have to be in on this conspiracy. Not just astronauts and virtually everyone at NASA, not just textbook writers and editors, but everyone who even remotely relies on the "fact" of a globular earth for their professional livelihood. Take one example -- the designer of radar systems for ocean-going vessels. I don't know who designs those systems, it doesn't matter, but there's a company in Seattle or Northern Virginia where it happens, and they employ hundreds if not thousands of people. All of their jobs are on the line if their customers can't navigate safely, and we know the navy and merchant marine DOES navigate safely. So clearly all these people use finely honed scientific knowledge of our (flat) earth in order to do their work, and yet pretend they don't.

It doesn't take much to grasp that there are dozens of similar industries. Millions of people around the world who reliably produce GPS products, maps, navigational aids, geographic aids, aviation aids, etc., etc., who MUST be in on the conspiracy, never betray it, and pretend otherwise. In fact, some of them must be also employed to produce "fake" tools and aids so that if a radar display or satellite image is ever accidentally shown on air or on the news, it shows the "fake" spherical scheme.

You may think all of that is self-debunking, in that it's so ridiculous, nobody could possibly believe it. But clearly some people do, or appear to. So, let's run with it. All these millions somehow have the motivation to maintain the conspiracy, for some unknown reason.

But. There's another group to consider. Schoolchildren.

Kids (we all agree) are heinously TAUGHT a spherical earth. They're fed the lies about rockets and astronauts and a solar system and Newtonian gravitation and the rest. They grow up thoroughly and completely invested in the ruse. This is one of the flatearthers' greatest complaints! People need to wake up, right?

But consider the children. The ones who are sucked in -- some of them love it. Right? What do most kids want to be at some point? An astronaut. Rocket science is an aspiration of geniuses. Kids participate in science fairs, all through grade school, through high school, faithfully depicting global principles.

SOME of them go on to higher education, truly pursuing their dream. They want to fly to Mars, or design the next GPS satellite, or spy on Russia, or chase hurricanes, or drill ice cores in Artarctica, or -- well, you name it. And all this time, all the way through college, they are taught LIES about a round earth. Nothing they've learned will be any good when they actually go for a job.

Puzzlingly, they do go for jobs, and do get hired. Perhaps General Dynamics and NASA and Boeing figure that if you did well with all that nonsense, you're probably smart enough to do well with the real stuff. Whatever.

But on the first day of work -- your dream job, your dream career, everything you ever wanted since 4th grade -- they tell you it's all a lie. That you have to start over, with a completely different set of facts, different unknowns, different science. None of which may appeal to you the way the old stuff did. Not to mention the profound sense of betrayal. Because your teachers all knew, right? And you have to keep it a secret.

Here's what's truly astonishing: Not one single person of those hundreds of thousands of avid dreamers, their aspirations crushed, EVER complained. Ever told their story. Every single one happily continued on, in scores of professions and industries, even knowing their whole life had been a lie.

THAT'S what I want to hear a flatearther explain. Why aren't there 5,000 enraged blog posts a year from shocked and disappointed individuals just starting their careers?

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Verbalobe, surely it’s obvious why they are silent. When they start their jobs they are given access to their secret treasury accounts, the accounts we mortals have to pay gurus to access. Of course, if they betray the secret, FEMA makes them disappear.

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the deep state hides them. all the deep states all over the world. shhhh.

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pipistrelle wrote:
Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:20 pm
the deep state hides them. all the deep states all over the world. shhhh.
And where does the Deep State hide them? In the vast basement and sub-basement below the flat earth, accessible through extinct volcanoes, secret tunnels under the Vatican and throught the caves of Lascaux!

It's true!! I know it's true because I made it up myself!

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Pfft. If the Earth was round, the chemtrails would curve. 'Splain that, Archimedes.
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Estiveo wrote:
Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:13 pm
Pfft. If the Earth was round, the chemtrails would curve. 'Splain that, Archimedes.
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verbalobe wrote:
Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:00 pm
It doesn't take much to grasp that there are dozens of similar industries. Millions of people around the world who reliably produce GPS products, maps, navigational aids, geographic aids, aviation aids, etc., etc., who MUST be in on the conspiracy, never betray it, and pretend otherwise. In fact, some of them must be also employed to produce "fake" tools and aids so that if a radar display or satellite image is ever accidentally shown on air or on the news, it shows the "fake" spherical scheme.

:snippity:

SOME of them go on to higher education, truly pursuing their dream. They want to fly to Mars, or design the next GPS satellite, or spy on Russia, or chase hurricanes, or drill ice cores in Artarctica, or -- well, you name it. And all this time, all the way through college, they are taught LIES about a round earth. Nothing they've learned will be any good when they actually go for a job.
It is not just the "millions of people" who are in on the "GPS conspiracy." There are several nations in cahoots with each other that have built GNSS (Global Navigation Satellite System) in addition to the GPS system built by the US government. Easy to imagine that the US has been conspiring with the Russians (GLONASS satellite system), the Chinese (BeiDou satellite system), and the European Union (Galileo satellite system) to deny a flat earth, but there it is.

France, Japan, and India have developed regional positioning systems that actually do all the "satellite positioning" work. They are tethered balloons where the lines are obscured by chemtrails. Several of those balloons were discovered in the US early last year so Trump through a back-channel to Putin got the Russians to manufacture an eclipse across the US to explain away that discovery. That was close, but Vlad came through. :shh:

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Flat Moon Club
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If the earth was flat, cats would have pushed everything over the edge by now.

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The Earth is round but the inside is made of wood, not molten rock. Trees suck the wood out of the center, and pretty soon the Earth will be hollow.

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Foggy wrote:
Sun Sep 09, 2018 6:07 pm
The Earth is round but the inside is made of wood, not molten rock. Trees suck the wood out of the center, and pretty soon the Earth will be hollow.

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