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Post by optimusprime » Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:14 pm

HeatherGray wrote:
Sugar Magnolia wrote:Theories about why the crowds are so white?
Despite Heather Heyer, they know they are safer protesting than people of color. The Colorado Springs cops were downright friendly when we were protesting downtown. I'm not sure they would have been had the demographics of the groups not been primarily white and apparently middle-class.
Let me first offer my continued prayers to the family of Heather Heyer. Her life was cut short by an act of hate and violence toward everyone of us.
If we are to consider ourselves "Americans", then all of us need to speak up, speak out and raise up against those who feel it is their right to determine who is an American. Those bad hombres on the alt-right don't get to determine who I am.

I AM A MAN!! I AM AN AMERICAN!!!

Unfortunately, Blacks, Negroes, colored, African Americans and all Americans of color have been fighting on the streets, in court, in business and in the federal government before my time and hereafter. We are not seeing Hispanics unless 45 is talking about the wall. We are not seeing Muslims until we talk about immigration. When he tries to "grab 'em by the pu$$y, " we see women.

Being right and being seen fighting for freedom is not a function of color. It is all of us - red, brown, yellow, black and white that must fight for it. While I don't control the optics of what is seen, shown on TV or presented as a counter-protester, I do control my thoughts on resistance, and that is to say NO! NO! NO! REFUSE FASCISM!!

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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:16 pm

Well said, Optimus.
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Post by RVInit » Tue Aug 15, 2017 8:26 pm

:like: Yes!
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Post by Addie » Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:47 pm

USA Today
Protesters face off again outside Trump Tower

NEW YORK — Hundreds of anti-Trump protesters and about 10 pro-Trump demonstrators faced off Tuesday evening across Fifth Avenue, three blocks south of Trump Tower, as police stood in a line in the street.

The anti-Trump demonstrators, backed by the sounds of clapping and drumsticks hitting barricades, shouted, "No Trump, no KKK, no fascist USA." The pro-Trump group paced, carrying signs reading, "Thank God for Trump" and "Deport illegal aliens."

The New York City Police Department relegated demonstrators to pens between East 54th Street and East 53rd Street, south of Trump Tower.

The scene was energetic but peaceful. Occasionally, a crew of police officers rode through on bicycles.
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Post by Addie » Sat Aug 19, 2017 1:53 pm

Boston 8/19/17
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Anti-racism protesters totally eclipsed Boston's right-wing Free Speech rally



The Boston Free Speech rally, which many feared would draw a violent crowd of white supremacists Saturday, was instead overshadowed by thousands of counter-protesters denouncing bigotry and racism.

The dueling demonstrations on Boston Common showed a shocking disparity in size. As Vox’s Alex Ward reported from the scene, the Free Speech rally, scheduled to begin at noon, was only permitted for 100 participants. The press was not allowed within a policed perimeter of the Free Speech rally, gathered in by the Parkman Bandstand — a small gazebo in Boston’s public park.
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Boston free speech protests: Far-right demonstrators 'outnumbered 10 to 1 by anti-fascists'

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Post by Volkonski » Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:46 pm

Oh to be young again and living in Boston. :pray:
Addie wrote:Boston 8/19/17
Vox
Anti-racism protesters totally eclipsed Boston's right-wing Free Speech rally



The Boston Free Speech rally, which many feared would draw a violent crowd of white supremacists Saturday, was instead overshadowed by thousands of counter-protesters denouncing bigotry and racism.

The dueling demonstrations on Boston Common showed a shocking disparity in size. As Vox’s Alex Ward reported from the scene, the Free Speech rally, scheduled to begin at noon, was only permitted for 100 participants. The press was not allowed within a policed perimeter of the Free Speech rally, gathered in by the Parkman Bandstand — a small gazebo in Boston’s public park.
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Boston free speech protests: Far-right demonstrators 'outnumbered 10 to 1 by anti-fascists'

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Post by Addie » Sat Aug 19, 2017 4:37 pm

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Trump attacks 15,000 Boston counter-protesters as 'anti-police agitators'

Donald Trump described anti-Nazi demonstrators who converged on Boston to repudiate white nationalism as “anti-police agitators” on Saturday, in a tweet that seemed destined to revive the still simmering controversy over his remarks equating the far right and anti-fascists in Charlottesville last weekend.

“Looks like many anti-police agitators in Boston,” Trump tweeted. “Police are looking tough and smart! Thank you.”

An estimated 15,000 counter-protesters marched through the city to historic Boston Common on Saturday, dwarfing a small group of conservatives who cut short their planned “free speech rally”. Many gathered near a bandstand abandoned early by conservatives who had planned to deliver a series of speeches. Police vans later escorted the conservatives out of the area, and angry counter-protesters scuffled with armed officers trying to maintain order. ...

Yet Saturday’s showdown was mostly peaceable, and after demonstrators dispersed, a picnic atmosphere took over with stragglers tossing beach balls, banging on bongo drums and playing reggae music. ...

Rallies also were planned in cities across the country, including Dallas, Atlanta and New Orleans.

Hundreds of people gathered at City Hall in Austin, Texas, on Saturday morning, holding signs in support of racial equality. The Austin American-Statesmen reported organizers for the Rally Against White Supremacy estimated about 1,200 people were in attendance.
Adding:
Salon: Trump rushes to Twitter to slam peaceful anti-racist protesters in Boston
The Hill: Trump calls Boston protesters 'anti-police agitators'
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Post by Addie » Sat Aug 19, 2017 4:45 pm

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Boston march against hate speech avoids Charlottesville chaos

BOSTON (Reuters) - Thousands of people took to the streets of Boston on Saturday to protest hate speech a week after a woman was killed at a Virginia white-supremacist demonstration, and their shouts drowned out the "Free Speech" rally that sparked their march.

Organizers of the rally had invited several far-right speakers who were confined to a small pen that police set up in the historic Boston Common park to keep the two sides separate. The city largely avoided a repeat of last weekend's bloody street battles in Charlottesville, Virginia, where one woman was killed.

City officials had spent a week planning security for the event, mobilizing 500 police officers, including many on bikes, and placing barricades and large white dump trucks on streets along the park, the nation's oldest. They also banned sticks, including flagpoles, bats and all weapons.

The rally never numbered more than a few dozen people, and its speakers could not be heard due to the shouts of those protesting it and the wide security cordon between the two sides. It wrapped up about an hour earlier than planned.

Protesters surrounded people leaving the rally, shouting "shame" and "go home" at them and occasionally throwing plastic water bottles. Police escorted several rally participants through the crowds, sometimes struggling against protesters who tried to stop them.
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Post by MN-Skeptic » Sat Aug 19, 2017 4:53 pm

Volkonski wrote:Oh to be young again and living in Boston. :pray:
My niece in Boston has a friend on FB who complained - :lol: - that Boston had chased away all the Nazis, hadn't saved any for her!
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Post by RTH10260 » Sat Aug 19, 2017 5:32 pm

Addie wrote:The Guardian

Trump attacks 15,000 Boston counter-protesters as 'anti-police agitators'

Donald Trump described anti-Nazi demonstrators who converged on Boston to repudiate white nationalism as “anti-police agitators” on Saturday, in a tweet that seemed destined to revive the still simmering controversy over his remarks equating the far right and anti-fascists in Charlottesville last weekend.

“Looks like many anti-police agitators in Boston,” Trump tweeted. “Police are looking tough and smart! Thank you.”

:snippity: .
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Salon: Trump rushes to Twitter to slam peaceful anti-racist protesters in Boston
The Hill: Trump calls Boston protesters 'anti-police agitators'
Hmm - shouldn't the potus be studying proposals for infrastructure enhancement strategies or strategies to keep N.Korea at bay rather than partaking in minor daily skirmishes and bar brawls of locals ?

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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Sat Aug 19, 2017 6:17 pm

And they didn't have permits either. So they are bad and the nazis exemplify everything Trump likes about Amerikkka.

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Post by Addie » Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:07 pm

The Hill
Boston Mayor thanks counterprotesters for coming to city



Boston's mayor is thanking the thousands of counterprotesters that took over the the city's streets Saturday in opposition to a conservative rally.

"I want to thank all the people that came out to there that message of love, not hate," Mayor Marty Walsh said. "To fight back on racism, to fight back on anti-Semitism, to fight back on the supremacists that were coming to our city, on the Nazis that were coming to our city"

"I want to thank everyone that came here and expressed themselves in such a positive, great manner today," he added.
I don't get this paragraph :confused:
President Trump, who came under fire this week for his statements on Charlottesville, praised the counterprotesters in Boston, who he said were "speaking out against bigotry and hate."
Did he say that?

Adding: Looks like he did.
CNN: Trump applauds Boston protesters for 'speaking out against bigotry and hate' ...

Later, Trump tweeted that the protests might help heal decades-old divisions.
"Our great country has been divided for decades," he wrote. "Sometimes you need protest in order to heal, & we will heal, & be stronger than ever before!"

"I want to applaud the many protestors in Boston who are speaking out against bigotry and hate," he continued. "Our country will soon come together as one!"
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The Hill: Ivanka Trump praises Boston counterprotesters
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Post by maydijo » Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:09 pm

There was a tweet, but Trump being Trump, I wasn't sure which side he was talking about.

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Post by Addie » Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:33 pm

What a dumb cluck he is. :cantlook:
Business Insider: Trump labels Boston protesters 'anti-police agitators,' then praises them for 'speaking out against bigotry and hate' ...

Trump quickly faced criticism for his initial description of the counter-protesters. Boston Mayor Marty Walsh responded on Twitter that, "Today Boston stood for peace and love, not bigotry and hate. We should work to bring people together, not apart."

Although Boston police said at one point rocks and bottles filled with urine were thrown at officers, they told media at a press conference that some 40,000 people had attended the protests and remained largely peaceful. He added that 27 people were arrested — mostly for disorderly conduct, but some for assault or battery on police.

"99.9% of the people were here for the right reason, and that was to fight bigotry and hate," Boston police commissioner William Evans said.
maydijo wrote:There was a tweet, but Trump being Trump, I wasn't sure which side he was talking about.
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Post by maydijo » Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:51 pm

[quote="Addie"]What a dumb cluck he is. :cantlook:
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Makes me miss GWB's intellect and diplomacy

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Post by Addie » Sat Aug 19, 2017 7:57 pm

I know what you mean :lol:
maydijo wrote:Makes me miss GWB's intellect and diplomacy
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Post by qbawl » Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:09 pm

Addie wrote:I know what you mean :lol:
maydijo wrote:Makes me miss GWB's intellect and diplomacy
Not to mention his genuine humanity.

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Post by stoppingby » Sat Aug 19, 2017 9:23 pm

Addie wrote:
I don't get this paragraph :confused:
President Trump, who came under fire this week for his statements on Charlottesville, praised the counterprotesters in Boston, who he said were "speaking out against bigotry and hate."
Did he say that?

Adding: Looks like he did.
Maybe Melania snagged his phone when he wasn't looking and tweeted it.

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Post by Whatever4 » Sat Aug 19, 2017 9:51 pm

I got back from Maine Thursday. Didn't go to the counter-protest, too many people. But there were no sirens, and minimal helicopter activity. I think drones are replacing 'copters for news outlets.
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Post by RoadScholar » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:10 pm

qbawl wrote:
Addie wrote:I know what you mean :lol:
maydijo wrote:Makes me miss GWB's intellect and diplomacy
Not to mention his genuine humanity.
Heck, compared to Trump I miss his competence. Amazingly.
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Post by HeatherGray » Sat Aug 19, 2017 10:27 pm

RoadScholar wrote:
qbawl wrote:
Addie wrote:I know what you mean :lol:
Not to mention his genuine humanity.
Heck, compared to Trump I miss his competence. Amazingly.
Yeah. I was not a fan of W, but I think he had some idea about his own limitations.

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Post by Addie » Sun Aug 20, 2017 9:54 am

Dallas Morning News
'Take them down': Thousands rally for end of Dallas' Confederate statues, white supremacy

Though a contingent of counterprotesters attempted to drown the message out, the loudest voice Saturday at a downtown rally came from thousands calling for the end of Dallas' Confederate memorials and white supremacy.

The crowd of 2,500 reflected America's diversity and came in a range of ages, religions and ethnic backgrounds. The vast majority assembled outside City Hall denounced the nearby Confederate War Memorial and others throughout the city. But a few, including some seeking to save the statues, as well as a small anti-police group, had other agendas.

Though there were some tense moments, no injuries or arrests were reported.

Amid a sea of posters -- "March against Hate," "Thanks Trump, You made me into an activist," "Make America whole again" -- the activists called for Dallas' Confederate memorials to come down.

"Take them down. Take them down," they chanted as a series of speakers addressed the crowd.
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Post by Addie » Sun Aug 20, 2017 6:22 pm

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Thousands Protest White Supremacy In New Orleans



NEW ORLEANS ― Chants of “No Trump, no KKK, no fascist USA” echoed throughout the French Quarter on Saturday as thousands of people marched in a peaceful ― but loud ― protest against racism and white supremacy.

Under the scorching August sun, the demonstrators marched from Congo Square to Jackson Square, starting at 1 p.m. local time. They were led by Malcolm Suber, a New Orleans activist and member of the group Take Em Down NOLA, which advocates for the removal of racist symbols and monuments.

Suber told HuffPost the rally was organized for two reasons. “This is our solidarity with the people in Charlottesville, Virginia, as well as a notice to our local leaders that we want all statues dedicated to white supremacists taken down,” he said. ...

The New Orleans march was one of hundreds of rallies that took place across the country to commemorate Heyer and show opposition to white supremacists. On the same day, tens of thousands of demonstrators showed up to protest a so-called “free speech rally” in Boston, forcing the rally to end earlier than scheduled.

Although dozens of law enforcement officers were on hand in New Orleans, no white supremacists showed up, and police did not make arrests this time, a New Orleans Police Department officer told HuffPost.
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Post by Addie » Sun Aug 20, 2017 9:27 pm

Mother Jones: Tens of Thousands of People Just Showed Nazis (and Donald Trump) What Really Makes America Great

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Post by Addie » Sun Aug 20, 2017 9:34 pm

Portland Press Herald
About 1,200 people rally in Portland against racism

Paula Harvard of Woolwich stood out among a sea of demonstrators who showed up Sunday at Payson Park in Portland to protest racism and white supremacy.

Harvard sported a floral hat with a dozen tiny signs with peaceful sentiments pinned to it, rather than one of the poster-sized signs and banners many in the crowd carried.

Harvard said she had held a sign at the Women’s March in Augusta shortly after President Trump’s inauguration in January and thought she could do better than that this time.

“I can say a lot more with the hat than a single sign,” Harvard said.
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