All the President's Lies

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Post by ZekeB » Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:49 pm

Tiredretiredlawyer wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:54 pm
An even more subtle approach is to only refer to him by his title, not his given name.
Herr Führer?
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Post by Gregg » Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:47 pm

tek wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:32 pm
Tiredretiredlawyer wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:54 pm
An even more subtle approach is to only refer to him by his title, not his given name.
I like that idea.
But in my mind, he's always going to be "President Stable Genius Phuckshtik"
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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:32 pm

You guys!!!!!! :rotflmao:
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Post by much ado » Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:36 pm

ZekeB wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:49 pm
Tiredretiredlawyer wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:54 pm
An even more subtle approach is to only refer to him by his title, not his given name.
Herr Führer Scheißkopf?
FIFY

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Re: All the President's Lies

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Post by Hurtzi » Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:12 pm

ZekeB wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:49 pm
Tiredretiredlawyer wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:54 pm
An even more subtle approach is to only refer to him by his title, not his given name.
Herr Führer?
It's "Mein Führer".

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Post by ZekeB » Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:27 pm

Hurtzi wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:12 pm
It's "Mein Führer".
Not Mein Führer, it's "Dein Führer."
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Post by kate520 » Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:31 am

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New Republic - David Roth
The Man Who Was Upset

Making sense of Donald Trump's petulant reign ...


:P That’s one of the best set ups and take downs of trump I’ve seen, Addie. I listened to the Audm version 3 times, for the lols and for the narration by Eric Jason Martin, who purely enjoyed himself.

The Saturday morning cartoon pitch to trump that turned out to maybe be part of a pump-and-dump stock scheme is frikkin hilarious, sad and prescient.

“Trump never declined an opportunity to fish a quarter out of the toilet when the situation presented itself.”
Not only true comedy but the essence of the man.

Hungry hungry hippo, indeed.

Thanks, Addie! This one’s a keeper.
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Re: All the President's Lies

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Post by Hurtzi » Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:21 am

ZekeB wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:27 pm
Hurtzi wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:12 pm
It's "Mein Führer".
Not Mein Führer, it's "Dein Führer."
Absolutely not. It's like the french "Mon capitaine ".

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Post by Notorial Dissent » Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:35 am

You mean Der Trumpenführer. Ist nicht mein oder dein!!!
The fact that you sincerely and wholeheartedly believe that the “Law of Gravity” is unconstitutional and a violation of your sovereign rights, does not absolve you of adherence to it.

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Post by Gregg » Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:42 am

Notorial Dissent wrote:
Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:35 am
You mean Der Trumpenführer. Ist nicht mein oder dein!!!
Let's split the difference and just go with "asshole". :bunny:
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Post by Slim Cognito » Fri Jun 21, 2019 9:58 am

Why do I suddenly have an urge to dig out my DVD of Casablanca?
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Post by Addie » Fri Jun 21, 2019 5:44 pm

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Post by Notorial Dissent » Sat Jun 22, 2019 3:08 am

Gregg wrote:
Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:42 am
Notorial Dissent wrote:
Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:35 am
You mean Der Trumpenführer. Ist nicht mein oder dein!!!
Let's split the difference and just go with "asshole". :bunny:
How about Herr Kleineschwanze????
The fact that you sincerely and wholeheartedly believe that the “Law of Gravity” is unconstitutional and a violation of your sovereign rights, does not absolve you of adherence to it.

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Re: All the President's Lies

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Post by Addie » Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:36 am

WaPo - Greg Sargent
Trump’s Iran reversal exposes one of his most dangerous lies ...

Trump’s story about Iran has always been a lie ...

As David Ignatius explains, the administration is confident that this submission is right around the corner, but this would require “total capitulation.” The continued push for this makes miscalculation — and war — more likely.

But let’s focus on the original withdrawal from the deal. In the run-up to that decision, Trump falsely claimed Iran was on the verge of total collapse before Obama negotiated it, and overinflated what Iran financially got from it, to falsely portray it as a giveaway to Iran. Trump also insisted the deal was premised on believing Iran could be trusted not to develop nukes (in fact, it had strict verification mechanisms) and that the deal would inevitably fail to constrain Iran.

That latter claim proved completely false for a time, as Iran continued to abide by it. Now Iran is suggesting it will restart its programs, but this is coming after the United States pulled out of the deal that was successfully constraining it, compounding the folly of Trump’s decision.

Trump’s claim that the deal was hopelessly weak — which has been revealed as false by events, though one cannot conclusively say it would have worked forever — probably derived from the fact that Trump couldn’t bear that Obama had negotiated it. Trump treated it as weak by definition. ...

The Iran deal was and is imperfect — designed to constrain Iran, not through total capitulation to all our demands, but through a painstakingly negotiated international compromise.

It was working. But Trump’s worldview did not permit acknowledgment of this. Now he’s making good on his vow to achieve total capitulation through toughness, and we’re living through the deeply risky consequences.

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Post by RVInit » Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:47 am

Last night I watched CNN on and off for a couple of hours. Much of the talk had to do with how incredulous his story about planes in the air and THEN he asks how many casualties are estimated, the Generals said "I don't know, let me get back to you", and then they "finally" come back with and answer, and then he calls it off, due to his concerns about the potential casualty count. Yeah, sure.

IF it happened the way he describes, that's even more horrifying than what we all know is far more likely. Trump pulled out of an agreement that appeared to be keeping Iran contained as far as nuclear weapons. He has done nothing but antagonize and bluster and threaten Iran. They take action and he immediately tries to claim that some "rogue" element must have shot down the drone - meaning, just like with Khashoggi's murder, HE doesn't have to do anything in response. After listening to everyone point out that we can't simply ignore the shooting down of a drone, he goes ahead and approves action, and then chickens out. I'm not saying he should have gone ahead with some plan that had the potential to kill anyone, but I do think his reasoning to stop had more to do with being a big mouthed paper tiger (as Stern put it) than concern about the lives of 150 Muslims that he doesn't even know.
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Post by ZekeB » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:41 am

Trump claims *he* asked how many casualties? Trump could not care less. Someone pointed this out to him. It merely gave him an excuse to back out of his lack of judgment.
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Post by RTH10260 » Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:01 am

Trump Relents on Huawei in China Truce, Reviving Stalled Talks
By Shawn Donnan and Miao Han
June 29, 2019, 6:31 AM GMT+2 Updated on June 29, 2019, 2:31 PM GMT+2
President says China to buy ‘tremendous’ amounts of farm goods
U.S. companies can supply Huawei despite blacklist, Trump says


President Donald Trump said he eased restrictions on China’s most prominent technology company as part of a trade truce with Beijing, removing an immediate threat looming over the global economy even as a lasting peace remains elusive.

Trump said Chinese President Xi Jinping had promised to buy “tremendous” amounts of U.S. agricultural products in exchange. “We’re going to give them a list of things we’d like them to buy,” Trump said at a news conference following the Group of 20 summit in Osaka, Japan.

But Chinese official media reports said only that the U.S. president hopes China will import more American goods as part of the truce.

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Post by pipistrelle » Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:11 am

“We’re going to give them a list of things we’d like them to buy'
Yeah, that's how it works.

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Post by neonzx » Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:15 am

pipistrelle wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:11 am
“We’re going to give them a list of things we’d like them to buy'
Yeah, that's how it works.
Sounds like mafia-style business 'negotiations'.
To which Trump replied, Fuck the law. I don't give a fuck about the law. I want my fucking money.

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Post by Slim Cognito » Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:15 pm

RTH10260 wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:01 am
Trump Relents on Huawei in China Truce, Reviving Stalled Talks
By Shawn Donnan and Miao Han
June 29, 2019, 6:31 AM GMT+2 Updated on June 29, 2019, 2:31 PM GMT+2
President says China to buy ‘tremendous’ amounts of farm goods
U.S. companies can supply Huawei despite blacklist, Trump says


President Donald Trump said he eased restrictions on China’s most prominent technology company as part of a trade truce with Beijing, removing an immediate threat looming over the global economy even as a lasting peace remains elusive.

Trump said Chinese President Xi Jinping had promised to buy “tremendous” amounts of U.S. agricultural products in exchange. “We’re going to give them a list of things we’d like them to buy,” Trump said at a news conference following the Group of 20 summit in Osaka, Japan.

But Chinese official media reports said only that the U.S. president hopes China will import more American goods as part of the truce.
How much agricultural products do they need if they've already made a deal with Putin to replace soybeans lost to the trade war? Putin himself said they were taking over our exports. Can China use that many soybeans?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russ ... SKCN1NX1C4
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Post by much ado » Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:29 pm

Slim Cognito wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:15 pm
[ :snippity:

How much agricultural products do they need if they've already made a deal with Putin to replace soybeans lost to the trade war? Putin himself said they were taking over our exports. Can China use that many soybeans?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russ ... SKCN1NX1C4
China's need for soybean imports is dropping because of swine flu...

Bloomberg: China's Soy Imports for May Hit 4-Year Low as Virus Kills Hogs
China’s soybean purchases dropped 24% in May from a year earlier after the spread of African swine fever hurt demand for the animal feed ingredient, and as the trade war with the U.S. led the world’s biggest buyer to halt purchases of American beans.

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Post by Addie » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:33 pm

New York Daily News
Senior Obama officials accuse Trump of ‘lying’ about the former president wanting to meet with Kim Jong-Un

President Obama’s former director of National Intelligence and his deputy national security adviser shot down President Trump’s boasts that his predecessor was “begging” for a meeting with North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un, but kept getting rejected.

“In all the deliberations that I participated in on North Korea during the Obama administration, I can recall no instance whatever where President Obama ever indicated any interest whatsoever in meeting with Chairman Kim,” former director James Clapper told CNN’s “State of the Union” Sunday. “It’s news to me.”

Ben Rhodes, who served as an adviser to Obama during both of the 44th president’s terms in office, made that same claim on Twitter.
Trump is lying. I was there for all 8 years. Obama never sought a meeting with Kim Jong Un. Foreign policy isn’t reality television it’s reality.
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Post by Addie » Fri Jul 05, 2019 9:19 am

The Week - James Pethokoukis
Trump didn't fix the economy that Obama didn't break

America's ongoing expansion is now the longest on record, a whopping 121 months of economic growth. But what else can we say about it? For sure not this: "The Economy is the BEST IT HAS EVER BEEN! Even much of the Fake News is giving me credit for that!," as President Trump tweeted on Tuesday with typical subtlety and nuance.

Even by the forgiving standards of political puffery, including of the extreme Trumpian variety, this is a false claim. Yes, it's a strong economy, but one that's more boomlet than boom. For instance: During the 120-month, 1990s expansion that spanned the Bush I and Clinton presidencies, the U.S economy grew by 43 percent in real terms vs. 24 percent under Barack Obama and Trump. And while the jobless rate is a touch lower today, wage growth, productivity growth, and workforce participation were all higher back then.

Of course, Trump was trying to bolster a political narrative, not offer evidence-based commentary on U.S. economic history. The tweet was just a single moment in the larger and heroic macro-story he's telling, one where a brilliant businessman president inherited a smashed economy from Obama and not only made it great again, but made it the "BEST IT HAS EVEN BEEN."

But Trump didn't fix the economy that Obama didn't break. For starters, the Great Recession and financial crisis began under Bush II not Obama, a fact that some Republicans seem to forget. (Even stranger, there are those on the right who actually blame Obama for the downturn that began before he took office. Mr. Market saw his socialism coming!) More importantly, there's good reason to think the historically slow recovery is about what one should have expected given that the downturn also involved a housing collapse and a severe financial shock. "Post-financial crisis recoveries tend to be slow and be accompanied by slowdowns in [productivity growth] and permanent losses in GDP," notes a recent paper from the Dallas Federal Reserve that surveyed the economic literature on the subject.

Could Team Obama and the Fed have acted differently to accelerate growth, at least a little? Maybe in an alternate reality, the 2009 stimulus was bigger, financial regulation delayed, mortgage debt written off, and the Federal Reserve more aggressive. So maybe the recovery was faster on Earth Two. But a financial hurricane was blowing against policymakers. Avoiding a second Great Depression and then having the longest-ever expansion is hardly a terrible policy outcome.

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Cross-posting
Politico Mag - Tim Alberta: ‘Mother Is Not Going to Like This’: The 48 Hours That Almost Brought Down Trump

The exclusive story of how Trump survived the Access Hollywood tape.


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From the forthcoming book AMERICAN CARNAGE: On the Front Lines of the Republican Civil War and the Rise of President Trump by Timothy Alberta. Copyright © 2019 by Timothy Alberta. To be published on July 16, 2019 by Harper, an imprint of HarperCollins Publishers. Excerpted by permission.

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