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Post by Kendra » Wed May 29, 2019 12:31 pm


9 minute and 39 second press conference. Same conclusions. No new information.

Time to move on.



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“Now it’s time to turn to the origins of the Russia hoax and get to the bottom of why the Trump campaign was spied on by the Obama-era DOJ and FBI.”

Our statement on Mueller from @parscale @TeamTrump:



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Re: Mueller's investigation

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Post by Jim » Wed May 29, 2019 1:31 pm

Kendra wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 12:31 pm

9 minute and 39 second press conference. Same conclusions. No new information.

Time to move on.
This is the nonsense that drives me crazy, Mueller was never going to indict the President nor make any charges against him. We knew that going in. NOW, it's time for the Dems to get to work and convince the American people that Trump needs to go. That's where this was always going. Public airing of Trump's dirty laundry until the pubs can no longer cover for him. That's the only way and considering how many garbage charges the pubs have tried against dem presidents, I appreciate it takes super extra-ordinary efforts to remove a sitting President.



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Re: Mueller's investigation

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Post by RTH10260 » Wed May 29, 2019 1:44 pm

Slim Cognito wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 11:23 am
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 11:22 am
Barr is full of shit shorter translation. On the collusion what he actually said there wasn't enough evidence to charge a greater conspiracy. Not the same as saying no collusion no obstruction.
Six of one, half a dozen... I'll be replaying this over and over today.

https:// twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1133753691796889601
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The key line that will be played over and over.
Robert Mueller: "As set forth in the report, after that investigation, if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so."
Via ABC
8:15 am - 29 May 2019
I take this from the spoken words of Mueller: the unconstitutional aspect of the DOJ policy is that even the act of registering a claim under seal against a sitting president is prohibited.



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Post by DrIrvingFinegarten » Wed May 29, 2019 2:13 pm




So this guy is saying that nobody around the President has been charged?

Why don't Flynn, Manafort, Stone, Gates and Papadopoulos count?



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Post by bob » Wed May 29, 2019 4:12 pm

DrIrvingFinegarten wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 2:13 pm
Why don't Flynn, Manafort, Stone, Gates and Papadopoulos count?
If wasn't already abundantly clear, John Reed is -- at best -- an idiot.


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Post by Addie » Wed May 29, 2019 4:26 pm

CNN - Chris Cillizza: A translation of Mueller's legalese, for non-lawyers



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Post by Patagoniagirl » Wed May 29, 2019 4:29 pm

Kendra wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 12:31 pm

9 minute and 39 second press conference. Same conclusions. No new information.

Time to move on.
Yeah? Well Jimmy J., not only are we not moving on, some digging is in order and perhaps some digging into your cover up of sexual abuse at an Ohio college. Ooopsie. Sleep well, asshole.



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Post by RVInit » Wed May 29, 2019 4:54 pm

Addie wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 4:26 pm
CNN - Chris Cillizza: A translation of Mueller's legalese, for non-lawyers
This is the reason Mueller's statement and/or Mueller testifying is not going to save the day. Anything that needs to be translated for the general public is useless. Unless he is willing to use common language, and he is not willing to do so, Democrats are wasting their time trying to get him to testify. If Democrats are stupid enough to try it, he will hedge and haw and use legal language, which Republicans will seize upon to "show that there is no there there".

We are doomed. That's all there is to it.


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Post by kate520 » Wed May 29, 2019 5:14 pm

Will Mueller pipe up again if trump goes after Strozk et al? I am, of course, assuming trump’s guys are completely full of shit. I haven’t seen a single thing to suggest otherwise. How come they are so cocksure?


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Post by Dr. Kenneth Noisewater » Wed May 29, 2019 5:17 pm

Who is to say they won't manufacture some bullshit that will hold up just long enough for the election?



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Post by DrIrvingFinegarten » Wed May 29, 2019 6:13 pm

bob wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 4:12 pm
DrIrvingFinegarten wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 2:13 pm
Why don't Flynn, Manafort, Stone, Gates and Papadopoulos count?
If wasn't already abundantly clear, John Reed is -- at best -- an idiot.
Going forward, should anyone I quote meet some threshold of significance and if so does Reed meet it and if he doesn't is the only correct answer about anything he says "Who cares? He's a nobody."?



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DrIrvingFinegarten wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 6:13 pm
Going forward, should anyone I quote meet some threshold of significance and if so does Reed meet it and if he doesn't is the only correct answer about anything he says "Who cares? He's a nobody."?
It depends on why you post here. Are you here to document "stupid person says another stupid thing in public"? There are many threads documenting others' follies.

If you're here to ask, "how do I convince this person they're wrong?", that's essentially insurmountable, as unreasonable people don't care about your reasoning.

If you're here to discuss issues, lead with your own thoughts, and not some nobody's (with whom you disagree).


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Post by Addie » Wed May 29, 2019 8:08 pm

Mother Jones - David Corn
Mueller Reminds the Nation That Trump Betrayed the USA

Treachery is not always a crime.


Much of the immediate commentary following special counsel Robert Mueller’s surprise press conference on Wednesday focused on his damning statements about President Donald Trump’s actions that potentially could be charged as obstruction of justice—if Justice Department policy did not prohibit the indictment of a sitting president. But Mueller’s remarks were also a reminder of the core elements of the Trump-Russia scandal: Moscow attacked the 2016 election to help Trump, and Trump assisted Vladimir Putin’s assault by claiming at the time (and afterward) that it wasn’t real. That is, whether or not Trump had criminally colluded with Russian operatives, he did side with a foreign adversary that attacked American democracy—and that’s treachery.

The attack was real. It was significant. And there was a compelling need to investigate it.

Mueller began his statement by reiterating what has already been stated by the US intelligence community, Democratic and Republican members of Congress, and his own report: Putin “launched a concerted attack on our political system.” He noted the Russians “used sophisticated cyber techniques to hack into computers and networks used by the Clinton campaign. They stole private information and then released that information through fake online identities and through the organization WikiLeaks. The releases were designed and timed to interfere with our election and to damage a presidential candidate.” The Kremlin’s goal was to impede Hillary Clinton and, consequently, boost Trump. And, Mueller added, “a private Russian entity engaged in a social media operation where Russian citizens posed as Americans in order to influence an election.”

In other words, there is no Russian hoax. This is no Deep State concoction cooked up to subvert Trump’s campaign or his presidency. The attack was real. It was significant. And there was a compelling need to investigate it and any contacts between Trump associates and Russians. ...

Trump put his own interests ahead of the security of the nation. And by insisting there was no Russian attack, he helped Putin pull off this caper and made it more difficult for President Barack Obama to enlist Republicans in a united front against Moscow’s attack. With Russia falsely claiming it had nothing to do with the hacks and dumps, Trump and his team were repeating and amplifying Putin’s disinformation. They were aiding and abetting the Kremlin. And after Trump won the election, he continued this pattern, failing to acknowledge the Russian attack and notoriously saying he accepted Putin’s denials. (One result of this was that Trump has done nothing to prioritize actions to prevent future attacks on US elections.)



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Re: Mueller's investigation

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Post by Addie » Wed May 29, 2019 8:16 pm

Cross-posting

Speaker.gov - press release
Pelosi Statement on Special Counsel Mueller’s Press Statement Reiterating the President’s Obstruction

May 29, 2019

San Francisco – Speaker Nancy Pelosi issued this statement after Special Counsel Mueller made a press statement reiterating the extent of Russian efforts to disrupt our elections and that President Trump was not exonerated of obstructing the Trump-Russia investigation:

“It is with the greatest respect for Special Counsel Robert Mueller and the deepest disappointment in the Department of Justice holding the President above the law, that I thank Special Counsel Mueller for the work he and his team did to provide a record for future action both in the Congress and in the courts regarding the Trump Administration involvement in Russian interference and obstruction of the investigation.

“Special Counsel Mueller made clear that he did not exonerate the President when he stated, ‘If we had confidence that the President clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so.’ He stated that the decision not to indict stemmed directly from the Department of Justice’s policy that a sitting President cannot be indicted. Despite Department of Justice policy to the contrary, no one is above the law – not even the President.

“The Special Counsel’s report revealed that the President’s campaign welcomed Russian interference in the election, and laid out eleven instances of the President’s obstruction of the investigation. The Congress holds sacred its constitutional responsibility to investigate and hold the President accountable for his abuse of power.

“The Congress will continue to investigate and legislate to protect our elections and secure our democracy. The American people must have the truth. We call upon the Senate to pass H.R. 1, the For The People Act, to protect our election systems.

“We salute Special Counsel Robert Mueller and his team for his patriotic duty to seek the truth.”



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Post by Reality Check » Wed May 29, 2019 9:44 pm

I understand Mueller is afraid to testify before Congress because the mean Republicans might hurt his widdle fee fees. Screw him.


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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Wed May 29, 2019 10:27 pm

Reality Check wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 9:44 pm
I understand Mueller is afraid to testify before Congress because the mean Republicans might hurt his widdle fee fees. Screw him.
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Post by Reality Check » Wed May 29, 2019 11:03 pm

The House needs to start hauling in people under arrest who ignore subpoenas. Frankly I don't give a f--- who but Barr would be a good start. Mueller is fine with me too.


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Post by pipistrelle » Wed May 29, 2019 11:58 pm

RVInit wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 4:54 pm
Addie wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 4:26 pm
CNN - Chris Cillizza: A translation of Mueller's legalese, for non-lawyers
This is the reason Mueller's statement and/or Mueller testifying is not going to save the day. Anything that needs to be translated for the general public is useless.
As set forth in the report, after that investigation, if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so.
. . . seems plain English to me. And I've had to read a lot of legalese over the years.



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Post by pipistrelle » Thu May 30, 2019 12:01 am

Every Democrat and law-adhering Republican should pin that to the top of their Twitter and Facebook feeds.
As set forth in the report, after that investigation, if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so.



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Post by fierceredpanda » Thu May 30, 2019 6:03 am

Slate's Dahlia Lithwick has a summary this morning that is worth reading in its entirety, but this paragraph is the key point:
Robert Mueller is a man who wants nothing to do with the incipient decline of norms, civility, and the rule of law. That’s why we never should have been surprised when he originally tried to put out his meticulous report and then, essentially, ghost us. That is also why we shouldn’t be surprised that he spent this morning essentially repeating exactly what he put in his report two months ago, a report he would really like us to read. Mueller wrote his special counsel report for a world in which it is assumed that facts and truth will inform actions. As his speech this morning made clear, he still believes that we live in this world. We do not.


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Post by Turtle » Thu May 30, 2019 8:08 am

pipistrelle wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 12:01 am
Every Democrat and law-adhering Republican should pin that to the top of their Twitter and Facebook feeds.
As set forth in the report, after that investigation, if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so.
It does seem to be the takeaway most of the press is going with, and looks like the Trump people failed to get out in front of it.



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