Mueller's investigation

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Re: Mueller's investigation

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Post by fierceredpanda » Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:39 pm

That's bullshit. Giuliani and Trump have been effectively telling Mueller to fuck himself as far as answering any follow-up questions, but they call the Special Counsel's Office and get a statement put out denying the Buzzfeed article?

If it's true, it's bullshit because Mueller should have told Giuliani it's not his job to help an uncooperative subject of his investigation. If it's not true, it's bullshit because Giuliani is a bullshit artist.
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Re: Mueller's investigation

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Post by NMgirl » Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:53 pm

"It was nice of the President's legal team to send something that @JasonLeopold can FOIA." I don't know any of the ins and outs of FOIA. Marcy is usually--in fact, nearly always--correct in her assertions. Why would trump's attorneys risk sending a document that can be FOIA'd?

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Re: Mueller's investigation

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Post by Maybenaut » Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:55 pm

NMgirl wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:53 pm
"It was nice of the President's legal team to send something that @JasonLeopold can FOIA." I don't know any of the ins and outs of FOIA. Marcy is usually--in fact, nearly always--correct in her assertions. Why would trump's attorneys risk sending a document that can be FOIA'd?

I don't know that this document could be FOIA'd. I mean, he can ask, but I imagine the SCO would hold it at least until the investigation is over. I know that there are FOIA exemptions in place to protect pending investigations and personal privacy. So depending on what the document is, it might not be releasable, and my bet is that it probably is not.
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Re: Mueller's investigation

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Post by MsDaisy » Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:36 am

NMgirl wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:53 pm
:snippity:
It wouldn’t surprise me a bit if this did happen. Trump has been a hateful asshole and a control freak his whole life, top that with all the power the presidency gives him and in his mind there is nothing that can stop him that he won’t be able to control one way or another. That would also explain Mueller’s rather cryptic response, he was probably just placating Trump until he can finish his report.
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Post by fierceredpanda » Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:14 am

Apparently these reporters haven't heard of the pending investigations exception to FOIA. :roll:
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Re: Mueller's investigation

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Post by NMgirl » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:11 am

Mystery attorneys' filing on behalf of Mystery Country A in Mystery Mueller case.
Redacted Petition for a Writ of Certiorari.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/ ... 000001.pdf
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Re: Mueller's investigation

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Post by NMgirl » Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:12 pm

"corporation wholly owned by a foreign state..."



Iirc, that means not a bank, since none of the likely banks are "wholly" owned by a foreign country. Looks more like a sovereign investment fund, which are owned wholly by foreign countries.
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Re: Mueller's investigation

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Post by vic » Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:53 pm

fierceredpanda wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:14 am
Apparently these reporters haven't heard of the pending investigations exception to FOIA. :roll:
It sounded to me that the document they wanted was the one thatl the administration sent to me at Miller’s office asking for them to respond to the BuzzFeed article. While it’s asking for a response about an article about the pending investigation, rhe document is not part of the investigation itself. But if the document had information pertaining to the investigation, I would think that would mean that Mueller‘s office had unlawfully released information to a party that might be subject to the investigation.

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Re: Mueller's investigation

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Post by fierceredpanda » Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:22 pm

If the letter was from Giuliani, which is what was suggested by Giuliani's statement as I read it, then no. Giuliani is not a member of the administration. Rudy Giuliani is Trump's personal attorney, not a White House Counsel. That makes any correspondence between Giuliani, as the personal attorney for a subject of an ongoing investigation, and Mueller's office squarely within the parameters of the pending investigations exception to FOIA.

If, on the other hand, the White House wrote a letter to Mueller's office asking them to deny a story, that would raise a whole other world of potential obstruction problems for Trump. The White House can't ask the Special Counsel's Office to kill a story, and doing so makes one wonder what else they would "request."
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Post by Volkonski » Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:09 pm

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Breaking on @TheLeadCNN right now: Mueller wants to know about 2016 Trump campaign's ties to NRA reports @SaraMurray
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Re: Mueller's investigation

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Post by fierceredpanda » Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:34 pm

I'm really starting to worry about the public getting the impression that this is an investigation spinning out into too many things. I personally get how the whole picture may well fit together coherently, but I worry about the public losing patience and confidence.

It's too easy for Giuliani to spin this as saying "Oh, now they want to look at another area after 2 years of investigating..."
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Post by p0rtia » Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:57 pm

I think it's a bad idea to generalize terms such as "public" and "Americans" and "the voters". While I don't buy into the "ooooh, the country is so polarized now, with awful radicals on either side making awful demands" line (because we are talking about ethics/rhetoric, not policy), it is clear that there are loud and active segments of the population out here that see the world quite differently. Hence Bizarro world.

45's "public" will think whatever they feel like. The three people left in the middle may be temporarily convinced by worst of the reportage into believing that Mueller is doing too much, but so what? Nothing is pristine in this world.

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Re: Mueller's investigation

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Post by Whip » Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:32 pm

fierceredpanda wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:22 pm
If the letter was from Giuliani, which is what was suggested by Giuliani's statement as I read it, then no. Giuliani is not a member of the administration. Rudy Giuliani is Trump's personal attorney, not a White House Counsel. That makes any correspondence between Giuliani, as the personal attorney for a subject of an ongoing investigation, and Mueller's office squarely within the parameters of the pending investigations exception to FOIA.

If, on the other hand, the White House wrote a letter to Mueller's office asking them to deny a story, that would raise a whole other world of potential obstruction problems for Trump. The White House can't ask the Special Counsel's Office to kill a story, and doing so makes one wonder what else they would "request."
for arguments sake, if Trump did ask Mueller to deny, would Mueller have to do it?

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Post by tek » Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:50 pm

Whip wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:32 pm
for arguments sake, if Trump did ask Mueller to deny, would Mueller have to do it?
My simple-minded IANAYL view is that it would have to go through Rosenstein or Whittaker.
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Post by Volkonski » Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:56 pm

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BuzzFeed publishes what it says is the detailed letter of intent for the proposed Trump tower in Moscow, signed by Trump during the Republican primary and including lots of specific details Giuliani claimed yesterday do not exist.
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Post by Addie » Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:57 pm

BuzzFeed News
Trump’s Lawyer Said There Were “No Plans” For Trump Tower Moscow. Here They Are.

The plan was dazzling: a glass skyscraper that would stretch higher than any other building in Europe, offering ultra-luxury residences and hotel rooms and bearing a famous name. Trump Tower Moscow, conceived as a partnership between Donald Trump’s company and a Russian real estate developer, looked likely to yield profits in excess of $300 million.

The tower was never built, but it has become a focal point of the investigation by special counsel Robert Mueller into Trump’s relationship with Russia in the lead-up to his presidency.

The president and his representatives have dismissed the project as little more than a notion — a rough plan led by Trump’s then-lawyer, Michael Cohen, and his associate Felix Sater, of which Trump and his family said they were only loosely aware as the election campaign gathered pace.

On Monday, his lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, said “the proposal was in the earliest stage,” and he went on to tell the New Yorker that “no plans were ever made. There were no drafts. Nothing in the file.”

However, hundreds of pages of business documents, emails, text messages, and architectural plans, obtained by BuzzFeed News over a year of reporting, tell a very different story. Trump Tower Moscow was a richly imagined vision of upscale splendor on the banks of the Moscow River.

A long-held dream

Trump had for 30 years tried to extend his real estate empire to Moscow. He even wrote about it in his book The Art of the Deal. But he never found the right opportunity — until 2013, when he visited Russia to host the Miss Universe pageant. “TRUMP TOWER-MOSCOW is next,” he tweeted after the event.

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Post by NMgirl » Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:04 pm

In re the Concord Management case, defendants have filed an :crying: It's Not Fair :crying: Renewed Motion for Discovery Regarding Selective Prosecution.

Shorter version: Skadden Arps got off with just a fine. You didn't offer us that option. Instead you're prosecuting us. Wah, wah, wah, blubber, blubber, blubber.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... overy.html
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Post by Slim Cognito » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:35 am

Addie wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:57 pm
BuzzFeed News
Trump’s Lawyer Said There Were “No Plans” For Trump Tower Moscow. Here They Are.
Nice looking building until you see TRUMP at the top. It's like bedazzling a Chanel bag.
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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:38 am

NMgirl wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:04 pm
In re the Concord Management case, defendants have filed an :crying: It's Not Fair :crying: Renewed Motion for Discovery Regarding Selective Prosecution.

Shorter version: Skadden Arps got off with just a fine. You didn't offer us that option. Instead you're prosecuting us. Wah, wah, wah, blubber, blubber, blubber.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... overy.html
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Re: Mueller's investigation

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Post by Kendra » Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:34 am

Paul Manafort's reply was due at 10am to materials that Mueller's office submitted last week re: evidence the govt says shows Manafort lied after pleading guilty. Nothing is on the docket, but for the past few filing deadlines lawyers have initially filed under seal

It's possible (and likely, given past practice) that Manafort's lawyers filed under seal, in which case we'll see an order from the court about that later (parties later made redacted versions public). Other scenarios are that they missed the deadline, or decided not to file

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Post by NMgirl » Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:30 pm

It has been filed under seal. The Manafort trial has its own topic.

http://thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p1063183
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Post by Whip » Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:36 pm

Slim Cognito wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:35 am
Addie wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:57 pm
BuzzFeed News
Trump’s Lawyer Said There Were “No Plans” For Trump Tower Moscow. Here They Are.
Nice looking building until you see TRUMP at the top. It's like bedazzling a Chanel bag.
his AC casino was pretty tacky as well.

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Post by Chilidog » Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:53 pm

If Trump could figure out a way to put his name on the outside of the White House, he would.

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Post by Whip » Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:58 pm

Chilidog wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:53 pm
If Trump could figure out a way to put his name on the outside of the White House, he would.
I am kinda shocked he hasn't.

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Post by Dr. Kenneth Noisewater » Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:59 pm

Nunberg, caputo, page and human face rash is on MSNBC right now

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