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Post #1026 by Kendra » Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:49 pm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... 379a83c183`

Once again, let's blame it on the Obama administration. They were the ones who let the Russian lawyer into the country in the first place.



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Post #1027 by RTH10260 » Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:52 pm

MsDaisy wrote:Good timeline of events @ NYT

Conspiracy or Coincidence? A Timeline Open to Interpretation
By PETER BAKER

:snippity: Three hours later, his father, Donald J. Trump, claimed victory in the final primary races propelling him to the Republican presidential nomination and a general election contest against former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. In his victory speech, Mr. Trump promised to deliver a major address detailing Mrs. Clinton’s “corrupt dealings” to give “favorable treatment” to foreign governments, including “the Russians.”
:snippity: .


http://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/12/us/po ... v=top-news

IMHO that sounds more alike stuff he had on the Clintons using their foundation as receiver of "donations" that potentially included political favorable side effects.



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Post #1028 by RVInit » Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:59 pm

Kendra wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/07/13/trump-basically-its-obamas-fault-that-russian-lawyer-took-advantage-of-young-man-donald-trump-jr/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_trump-russia-320pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.21379a83c183`

Once again, let's blame it on the Obama administration. They were the ones who let the Russian lawyer into the country in the first place.


Well, shoot, why don't we just blame the woman's mother? If she hadn't given birth, the woman wouldn't exist, and Jr/Kushner/Manafort wouldn't have met with her. So there.


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Post #1029 by Kendra » Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:13 pm

Junior must spray lots of Teflon over himself every day to get that snake oil salesman look about him. I can't wait for the Senate to get their chance at him. Will he come willingly, or will he have to be forced?

Question, if he refuses, what can the Senate do to him?



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Post #1030 by Dan1100 » Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:21 pm

Kendra wrote:Junior must spray lots of Teflon over himself every day to get that snake oil salesman look about him. I can't wait for the Senate to get their chance at him. Will he come willingly, or will he have to be forced?

Question, if he refuses, what can the Senate do to him?


He is just going to lie his ass off in front of the Senate and scream "fake news" on Hannity afterwards.

Unfortunately, we won't get to see when Mueller's folks get him in front of the Grand Jury, but that's where the action will be if he is arrogant/stupid enough not to take the fifth.


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Post #1031 by bob » Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:23 pm

Kendra wrote:Question, if he refuses, what can the Senate do to him?

Technically, the Senate could direct its Sergeant at Arms (the most powerful person in the world, according to some nutters) to arrest him. But the reality is the more banal contempt of Congress, referral to a federal court (or the DOJ) for enforcement, etc.


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Post #1032 by Maybenaut » Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:54 pm

Dan1100 wrote:
Kendra wrote:Junior must spray lots of Teflon over himself every day to get that snake oil salesman look about him. I can't wait for the Senate to get their chance at him. Will he come willingly, or will he have to be forced?

Question, if he refuses, what can the Senate do to him?


He is just going to lie his ass off in front of the Senate and scream "fake news" on Hannity afterwards.

Unfortunately, we won't get to see when Mueller's folks get him in front of the Grand Jury, but that's where the action will be if he is arrogant/stupid enough not to take the fifth.

I doubt he would be called to testify before a grand jury. He'll find out about an indictment when (or shortly before) the rest of us do.



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Post #1033 by Kendra » Thu Jul 13, 2017 7:39 pm

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/1 ... 5?cmpid=sf

Oooooh, I hope Kushner falls hard when it's his time.

Jared Kushner has been pressing other White House aides to more vigorously defend the meeting between Donald Trump Jr. and a Kremlin-linked lawyer that Kushner also attended, but has faced resistance from some of Trump’s top press aides, according to six sources familiar with the matter.

Four White House officials and two outside advisers say Kushner wants the White House to more aggressively push out surrogates and talking points to change the narrative around the latest twist in the Russia scandal. Kushner has said the meeting, which has also further dragged him into the controversy, has a direct impact on Trump's presidency, even if Trump wasn't aware of it at the time.

But some of the communications aides, including press secretary Sean Spicer, and other senior staffers have expressed reservations. They say it’s best to leave it to outside counsel to handle the furor around Trump Jr., and fear inviting further legal jeopardy if Trump aides and allies more forcefully defend a meeting that they don’t fully know the details of, according to the sources.
The disagreement over strategy illustrates the White House’s ongoing struggle to cope with a quickly evolving scandal that has engulfed Trump’s early presidency. West Wing aides have had little control as Trump himself has appeared to exacerbate the Russia controversy, including by firing FBI Director James Comey. Some top advisers have also been blindsided by new developments, such as the Russian lawyer meeting during the height of the campaign.

After hours of little defense from the White House on Tuesday following Trump Jr.’s release of the e-mail chain setting up the controversial meeting, Kushner spoke with Spicer and deputy press secretary Sarah Sanders. During the conversation, Spicer and Sanders made the case for crafting a longer-term battle strategy, according two White House officials and an outside adviser familiar with the conversation, but Kushner called for full-on combat, according to a White House official.



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Post #1034 by GlimDropper » Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:16 pm

GOP Operative Who Sought Hillary Clinton Emails from Russian Hackers Killed Himself

A Republican operative who reportedly tried to obtain Hillary Clinton’s hacked emails from Russia killed himself inside a hotel room in May, just days after speaking with a Wall Street Journal reporter about his efforts during the 2016 election.

Public records unearthed by the Chicago Tribune show that Peter W. Smith, 81, left a suicide note and was found with a bag over his head and a helium source on May 14, just 10 days after he gave an interview to the WSJ.

In his suicide note, according to police, Smith wrote that he decided to take his life due to “recent bad turn in health since January, 2017” and because his $5 million life insurance policy was expiring. Smith also wrote that “no foul play whatsoever” led to his death. Smith’s cause of death was listed as “asphyxiation due to displacement of oxygen in confined space with helium.”


Umm, don't life insurance policies generally frown on suicide?

But at least they didn't find the body in Fort Marcy Park, cause then it would be a scandal or something.

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Post #1035 by qbawl » Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:27 pm

GlimDropper wrote:GOP Operative Who Sought Hillary Clinton Emails from Russian Hackers Killed Himself

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Umm, don't life insurance policies generally frown on suicide?
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Yes but only during the first 2 years in force if my memories of long ago LOMA classes are correct.



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Post #1036 by Dan1100 » Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:05 pm

qbawl wrote:
GlimDropper wrote:GOP Operative Who Sought Hillary Clinton Emails from Russian Hackers Killed Himself

:snippity: :snippity:
Umm, don't life insurance policies generally frown on suicide?
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Yes but only during the first 2 years in force if my memories of long ago LOMA classes are correct.


Its a matter of state statute. Missouri is one year.

http://revisor.mo.gov/main/OneSection.a ... =20732&hl=

  376.620. Suicide, effect on liability — refund of premiums, when. — 1. Any life insurance or certificate issued or delivered in this state may exclude or restrict liability of death as the result of suicide in the event the insured, while sane or insane, dies as a result of suicide within one year from the date of the issue of the policy or certificate. Any such exclusion or restriction shall be clearly stated in the policy or certificate.

  2. Any life insurance policy or certificate which contains any exclusion or restriction under subsection 1 of this section shall also provide that in the event the insured dies as a result of suicide within one year from the date of issue of the policy that the insurer shall promptly refund all premiums paid for coverage on such insured.


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Post #1037 by Sterngard Friegen » Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:50 am

Jared Kushner has a strategy for dealing with the fallout from his in laws' collusion with the Ruskies :boxing: but Sean Spicer and Sarah Huckabee Sanders are against it? :fingerwag:

C'mon. Kushner is the genius who can negotiate a break through deal between Israel and Palestine in the morning (both sides agree he's an arrogant asshole who is way over his head), punish Qatar at lunch time (they should have loaned him money on that building) and then lose his assets by evening because no one will loan to him. Sean and Sarah must absolutely follow his plan. I'm sure it's more stupid and destructive than anything they could come up with. Jared has a real political touch.



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Post #1038 by Dan1100 » Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:53 am

Maybenaut wrote:
Dan1100 wrote:
Kendra wrote:Junior must spray lots of Teflon over himself every day to get that snake oil salesman look about him. I can't wait for the Senate to get their chance at him. Will he come willingly, or will he have to be forced?

Question, if he refuses, what can the Senate do to him?


He is just going to lie his ass off in front of the Senate and scream "fake news" on Hannity afterwards.

Unfortunately, we won't get to see when Mueller's folks get him in front of the Grand Jury, but that's where the action will be if he is arrogant/stupid enough not to take the fifth.

I doubt he would be called to testify before a grand jury. He'll find out about an indictment when (or shortly before) the rest of us do.


Why do you think that?


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Post #1039 by Maybenaut » Fri Jul 14, 2017 6:38 am

Dan1100 wrote:
Maybenaut wrote:
Dan1100 wrote:
He is just going to lie his ass off in front of the Senate and scream "fake news" on Hannity afterwards.

Unfortunately, we won't get to see when Mueller's folks get him in front of the Grand Jury, but that's where the action will be if he is arrogant/stupid enough not to take the fifth.

I doubt he would be called to testify before a grand jury. He'll find out about an indictment when (or shortly before) the rest of us do.


Why do you think that?

He doesn't have the right to be present, and they don't need his testimony to make a case against him.



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Post #1040 by Notorial Dissent » Fri Jul 14, 2017 6:53 am

Maybenaut wrote:
Dan1100 wrote:
Maybenaut wrote:I doubt he would be called to testify before a grand jury. He'll find out about an indictment when (or shortly before) the rest of us do.


Why do you think that?

He doesn't have the right to be present, and they don't need his testimony to make a case against him.

And since he would almost certainly lie or just gibber, it would be pointless, he has already more than incriminated himself enough for a grand jury I would think. The damaging parts will be ALL the other things they can come up with now that that little detail is out of the way. This ham sandwich unlike some others I can think of is already toast.


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Post #1041 by Addie » Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:35 am

NBC News

Russian Lawyer Brought Ex-Soviet Counter Intelligence Officer to Trump Team Meeting

WASHINGTON — The Russian lawyer who met with the Trump team after a promise of compromising material on Hillary Clinton was accompanied by a Russian-American lobbyist — a former Soviet counter intelligence officer who is suspected by some U.S. officials of having ongoing ties to Russian intelligence, NBC News has learned.

NBC News is not naming the lobbyist, who denies any current ties to Russian spy agencies. He accompanied the lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, to the June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower attended by Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort.

The Russian-born American lobbyist served in the Soviet military and emigrated to the U.S., where he holds dual citizenship.

Veselnitskaya acknowledged to NBC News that she was accompanied by at least one other man, though she declined to identify him.


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Post #1042 by Kendra » Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:52 am

Dan1100 wrote:One more tidbit, according to Tweeter, Peter W. Smith died on May 17th. He was 81 though, so probably not a hit.

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Peter W. Smith's trib obituary
https://t.co/x4Gyu2JnMi


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/loca ... story.html
A Republican donor and operative from Chicago's North Shore who said he had tried to obtain Hillary Clinton's missing emails from Russian hackers killed himself in a Minnesota hotel room days after talking to The Wall Street Journal about his efforts, public records show.

In mid-May, in a room at a Rochester hotel used almost exclusively by Mayo Clinic patients and relatives, Peter W. Smith, 81, left a carefully prepared file of documents, including a statement police called a suicide note in which he said he was in ill health and a life insurance policy was expiring.


Life insurance policies cover suicide?



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Post #1043 by Suranis » Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:08 am

I get the sense it was more like he would be faced with paying for his health care. But either way, its an odd reason.

My vote for leaker name is "Deep Urine", "Deep shit" "Bigger Penis" "Deep Colonoscopy" and "Deep Cystoscopy"


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Post #1044 by Tiredretiredlawyer » Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:22 am

http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/m ... s-revealed?

Meng Asks FEC For Investigation After Trump Jr.'s Emails Revealed

New York Rep. Grace Meng is calling for the Federal Election Commission to investigate Donald Trump’s campaign in light of Donald Trump Jr.'s emails revealing he was interested in receiving information from Russia.
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Meng’s letter requests an investigation from the FEC into whether Trump Jr. violated laws that prohibit foreign nationals from contributing either money or something of value to campaigns and forbids campaigns from accepting contributions from foreign nationals.

“Clearly, unacceptable encroachments upon the integrity of an American presidential election were not only offered by a foreign national, but were sought to be received by the Trump campaign,” Meng wrote.


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Post #1045 by Kendra » Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:39 am

Nothing like a scathing opinion piece to start the morning off.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/co ... f41da5e36b

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Post #1046 by Addie » Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:48 am

Daily Beast: Trump Team Met Russian Accused of International Hacking Conspiracy


New York Mag: Jared Kushner Keeps Making the Russia Scandal So Much Worse


Salon: Now that a White House insider is implicated, Team Trump may begin to fall apart


BuzzFeed: How A False Conspiracy Theory About The Russian Lawyer Who Met With Don Jr. Spread To Trump


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Post #1047 by Kendra » Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:53 am

Question, all these top Trump aides are all over the media talking about this meeting that they swear is a nothing-burger. They have no first hand knowledge of what really happened there, do they? Is there any exposure to them when all the facts come out?



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Post #1048 by Kendra » Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:05 am

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rus ... d_nn_tw_ma

Today might get interesting now that the name of another person in the now infamous meeting with Jr. has come out.

:snippity: On April 4, Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, chairman of the Judiciary Committee, wrote a letter to the Homeland Security department seeking information about Akhmetshin, saying that Akhmetshin admitted to being a Soviet counterintelligence officer. Grassley said Akhmetshin had failed to register as a foreign agent even though he had been lobbying in the U.S. for Russian interests. Grassley also charged that Akhmetshin had been working with Fusion GPS, an opposition-research firm that had compiled a highly disputed dossier on Donald Trump. :snippity:

The letter: https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/me ... nformation)%20with%20attachment.pdf



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Post #1049 by SLQ » Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:14 am

So MSNBC is reporting BREAKING NEWS that Goldstone is the other (another?) person who was at the meeting. Ahem. See upthread. I have it on Good Authority that Rachel received a tip showing that Don Jr. essentially said this in the Hannity interview.



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Post #1050 by bob » Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:36 am

Kendra wrote:Is there any exposure to them when all the facts come out?

Legally, lying is only a crime if it obstructs justice (e.g., lying to the FBI) or if done under oath (i.e., perjury).

Politically, Republicans live in a post-consequences world.


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