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Bannon pitches White House on plan to cripple Mueller probe and protect Trump

Stephen K. Bannon, who was ousted as White House chief strategist last summer but has remained in touch with some members of President Trump’s circle, is pitching a plan to West Wing aides and congressional allies to cripple the federal probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election, according to four people familiar with the discussions.

The first step, these people say, would be for Trump to fire Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein, who oversees the work of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III and in recent days signed off on a search warrant of Trump’s longtime personal lawyer, Michael Cohen.

Bannon is also recommending the White House cease its cooperation with Mueller, reversing the policy of Trump’s legal team to provide information to the special counsel’s team and to allow staff members to sit for interviews.

And he is telling associates inside and outside the administration that the president should create a new legal battleground to protect himself from the investigation by asserting executive privilege — and arguing that Mueller’s interviews with White House officials over the past year should now be null and void.


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Post by Turtle » Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:59 pm

The Hannity thing is a weird sort of strategy to get out ahead of the Comey book and 20/20 interview that airs Sunday night. Comey is gonna say (in some fashion) that the Trump org is like a crime family. The Fox people like to key on the headlines and use them in constructing the alternate reality for their audience.



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Post by fierceredpanda » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:17 pm

Mikedunford wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:21 pm
I still think, as I have basically since this whole thing started, that very very little of any consequence will trace all the way back to Trump.
That was essentially true of Nixon and Watergate. He was basically at arm's length until after the break-in, when he tried to use the CIA to throw the FBI off the trail because he was gripped by paranoia.


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Post by Notorial Dissent » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:30 pm

What Chilidog and Mike said!!!!!! Oh yeah.


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Post by Maybenaut » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:08 pm

Chilidog wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:05 pm
I mean think about it for a second.

Why would either of them spend a dime of their own money if they thought that they could get away with using campaign cash.


After all, he never expected to win. And who looks at the disclosure reports, anyway?


It totally fits their personalities to have done this.
Trump’s defense to the campaign finance charge will be just like his defense to the pee tapes, only instead of saying “everyone knows I’m a germophobe,” he’s going to say, “everyone knows I don’t pay my bills, so Cohen clearly did this on his own without any expectation he’d be paid back!”



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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:12 pm

I think there is enough evidence for obstruction of justice charges to stick on Trump. Just a gut reaction. Will think up reasons later.


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Post by Dan1100 » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:18 pm

Tiredretiredlawyer wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:12 pm
I think there is enough evidence for obstruction of justice charges to stick on Trump. Just a gut reaction. Will think up reasons later.
Could it be that he is on Twitter every day trying to obstruct justice?


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Post by much ado » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:54 pm

Tiredretiredlawyer wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:12 pm
I think there is enough evidence for obstruction of justice charges to stick on Trump. Just a gut reaction. Will think up reasons later.
But to a trumpophiliac, "obstruction of justice" is an abstract, intellectual concept, difficult to grasp. They don't see Trump's actions as obstructing justice. The whole Mueller investigation is an INjustice. Trump is just obstructing an INjustice. Everyone would want to do that. I mean, if you saw an injustice being done, wouldn't you want to obstruct it? You would, wouldn't you?

The defense rests.

They have a better understanding of bank fraud. It's like stealing cookies from a cookie jar, except it's money.



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Post by Turtle » Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:35 am

much ado wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:54 pm
Tiredretiredlawyer wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:12 pm
I think there is enough evidence for obstruction of justice charges to stick on Trump. Just a gut reaction. Will think up reasons later.
But to a trumpophiliac, "obstruction of justice" is an abstract, intellectual concept, difficult to grasp. They don't see Trump's actions as obstructing justice. The whole Mueller investigation is an INjustice. Trump is just obstructing an INjustice. Everyone would want to do that. I mean, if you saw an injustice being done, wouldn't you want to obstruct it? You would, wouldn't you?

The defense rests.

They have a better understanding of bank fraud. It's like stealing cookies from a cookie jar, except it's money.
he calls it "fighting back"





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Post by kate520 » Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:42 am

What’s known and documented of Trump’s dealings over the decades he’s been in the public eye - narcissism, his oh, what to call his womanizing, it’s so much more than that, lying, stiffing, criminal behavior, threatening, money laundering, dicey loans - don’t lead me to believe he didn’t have anything more to do with the Russian meddling than being a useful dufus. What, no one took him aside in over thirty years of doing business to warn him he was being played by the Russians, to beware? Of course they did and he ignored them or didn’t care or believed he’d outsmarted them. Or joined them, since he’s bent that way.

I simply do not believe anyone who has done so much business with Russian gangsters was unaware that everyone around him had Russian ties.


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Post by much ado » Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:37 am

Turtle wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:35 am
:snippity:
he calls it "fighting back"
:snippity:
Exactly. Obstruction of justice charges may be a winner legally, but not politically. Bank fraud, wire fraud, money laundering, and campaign finance violations are much better politically. (Especially if money can be traced to Russia.) They just need to be linked to Trump himself.

I hope there's a trail.



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Post by Somerset » Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:54 am

kate520 wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:42 am
What’s known and documented of Trump’s dealings over the decades he’s been in the public eye - narcissism, his oh, what to call his womanizing, it’s so much more than that
He's basically a slut.



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Post by much ado » Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:01 am

Somerset wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:54 am
kate520 wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:42 am
What’s known and documented of Trump’s dealings over the decades he’s been in the public eye - narcissism, his oh, what to call his womanizing, it’s so much more than that
He's basically a slut.
What the hell is wrong with the trumpistas!? Why don't they see that??



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Re: Mueller's investigation of Trump

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Post by maydijo » Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:40 am

much ado wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:01 am
Somerset wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:54 am
kate520 wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:42 am
What’s known and documented of Trump’s dealings over the decades he’s been in the public eye - narcissism, his oh, what to call his womanizing, it’s so much more than that
He's basically a slut.
What the hell is wrong with the trumpistas!? Why don't they see that??
Maybe because they want to be the next Stormy?



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Post by much ado » Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:26 am

maydijo wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:40 am
much ado wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:01 am
Somerset wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:54 am

He's basically a slut.
What the hell is wrong with the trumpistas!? Why don't they see that??
Maybe because they want to be the next Stormy?
Why would anyone want to be the next Stormy?
I meant why would anyone support a person with the morals of a slut? And I mean a real slut here, not just "slut" used as a derogatory epithet.
Or perhaps I didn't understand...



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Post by maydijo » Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:49 am

much ado wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:26 am
maydijo wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:40 am
much ado wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:01 am

What the hell is wrong with the trumpistas!? Why don't they see that??
Maybe because they want to be the next Stormy?
Why would anyone want to be the next Stormy?
I meant why would anyone support a person with the morals of a slut? And I mean a real slut here, not just "slut" used as a derogatory epithet.
Or perhaps I didn't understand...
I honestly think at least some of the Trumpistas have a crush on him and would love to sleep with him. They probably wouldn't want the payout because they'd want to tell all their nearest and dearest that they were deemed "worthy" of his affections. The guy's one helluva charmless, ugly idiot, but by all accounts he's always found willing partners so it would appear there are women out there who would literally do anyone for a bit of reflected glory.



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Post by Somerset » Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:45 am

much ado wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:01 am
Somerset wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:54 am
kate520 wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:42 am
What’s known and documented of Trump’s dealings over the decades he’s been in the public eye - narcissism, his oh, what to call his womanizing, it’s so much more than that
He's basically a slut.
What the hell is wrong with the trumpistas!? Why don't they see that??
I think the see it, they understand it, and they're perfectly OK with it.

These are folks who believe that a guy who fucks lots of women is a stud and worthy of admiration, but a woman who makes love with more than one guy is morally degenerate and worthy of scorn.



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Post by Foggy » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:08 am

maydijo wrote:Maybe because they want to be the next Stormy?
No, my gal Stormy is the one who had sex with him once and said "Ew, no thanks" to any repeat performances. Trumpanzees want to be Karen McDougal.


Hopefully, this will blossom into a snowball.
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Post by pipistrelle » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:20 am

I blame the addiction to reality teevee and not connecting that actions on the teevee have unseen consequences in real life, that is, blustering on Twitter and teevee is what passes for presidential, then people die in Syria.



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Post by neeneko » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:21 am

much ado wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:01 am
What the hell is wrong with the trumpistas!? Why don't they see that??
For a lot of people, race and class trump gender. Trump represents and ideal within their subculture and that is more important to them than how he treats other people of their gender.



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Post by Chilidog » Thu Apr 12, 2018 6:34 am

OK, this thread has gotten weird and a little bit nauseating



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Volkonski wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:39 pm
https:// twitter.com/ABC/status/984163920897236992
ABC News @ABC

Press Sec. Sanders tells @jonkarl that Russia's actions and the special counsel's Russia investigation have both hurt U.S. relations with Russia and are "bad for America."
https://abcn.ws/2GUecZF

3:18 PM - Apr 11, 2018
Bad for Trump at least.

This seems to be a new WH argument point, that the Mueller investigation is bad for US-Russia relations.
:doh: and the sanctions (forced by Congress) upon Russian oligarchs don't matter at all...



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Re: Mueller's investigation of Trump

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Post by RTH10260 » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:02 am

Turtle wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:35 am
he calls it "fighting back"

J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
So much Fake News about what is going on in the White House. Very calm and calculated with a big focus on open and fair trade with China, the coming North Korea meeting and, of course, the vicious gas attack in Syria. Feels great to have Bolton & Larry K on board. I (we) are

12:38 - 11 Apr 2018
https:// twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/984020136255541248
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I don't think Larry Klayman made it on board (yet) :?: ;)



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Re: Mueller's investigation of Trump

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If I wanted to fire Robert Mueller in December, as reported by the Failing New York Times, I would have fired him. Just more Fake News from a biased newspaper!



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Re: Mueller's investigation of Trump

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Post by pipistrelle » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:55 am

So defensive. A confident leader he is not.



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