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A sobering summary. :?
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So we know this, Russian government representatives reached out to the Trump campaign in 2015 and undertook multiple initiatives and had multiple points and series of contacts with Team Trump for the next couple years.

7:34 PM - 7 Dec 2018

t's not just the Trump Tower meeting. It's not just the interactions with Wikileaks. It's not just the Russian ties to Cambridge Analytica. It's not just Konstantin Kiliminik, a Russian agent working hand in hand with campaign chair Paul Manafort.

It's not just the ties between Flynn and the Russians. it's not just the links between the Russians and Eric Prince through the meeting in the Seychelles and beyond that. It's not just the ties of Wilbur Ross. It's not just the Trump Organization dealings with Russia.

It's not just Jared Kushner's dealings with Russia. It's not just Kushner and Flynn's dealing with Kislyak during the campaign. It's not just the candidate Trump asking for Russian help. It's not just the GRU hacking for which indictments have already taken place.

We can go on. But let's not stop before we discuss the many benefits the Russians delivered to Trump via hacking, the dumping of files, the manipulation of social media and other avenues...all to support Trump over Clinton. Nor should we fail to discuss the benefits Trump...

...offered the Russians since he gained power. There was his covering up their hacking and his efforts to slow investigations of it. There was his denying the conclusions of the intelligence community about the Russians. There were the talks between Flynn and the Russians...

...about waiving sanctions. There were the meetings with Trump when he was president when he handed over classified information to the Russians. There were whatever promises or concessions were made in Helsinki. There was a pattern of placating the Russians or...

...failing to enforce sanctions for months and months. In other words, there was plenty of quid and plenty of quo ($50 million penthouse apartments and the promise of big deals or financing benefits aside).

From the outreach to Cohen to just the first mos of the admin we can count more than a dozen separate avenues of connection at the highest level. In any normal campaign or administration, just one would set off alarm bells and have the president calling the FBI into action.

But instead, in addition to those dozen avenues, the offers that were explicitly or tacitly accepted, benefits to both sides & the overt betrayal of the U.S. to advance the political or economic interests of Trump and those close to him, we have the president obstructing justice.

Actively obstructing. Threatening to fire all those getting closer to the truth. Lying and lying and lying some more and urging staff to lie and witness tampering and so on.

This is not a case of possible collusion. This is sweeping, multi-layered, high level conspiracy led by Vladimir Putin and the Russian intelligence community and involving the active cooperation and complicity of a man who was a candidate for president and then president...

...as well as his entire team. This is the biggest scandal in the history of the American presidency and there is not another that is close to it. But that is not all we know.

The DoJ believes the president of the United States directed the commission of campaign finance felonies as a candidate. The NYT produced extensive and compelling evidence of serial tax fraud by the Trump family. The state of NY is investigate fraud in their charities.

The House will soon begin investigation of Trump money laundering. A case involving his violation of the Constitution's emoluments clause is under way. In other words, as massive as the Russia scandal is, it might not be the biggest Trump scandal.

It might not even be the scandal that brings Trump down. But what we know is that all of these or any of these scandals must bring him down. This criminal has no business being the White House. He has no business walking freely among us.

2019 is going to be the worst year of Donald Trump's life except for all those that will follow it. These cases will be investigated further and then proven. Some may be prosecuted while he is in office. Some may wait until he leaves office.

But someday this is already certain, no senior American public official--not Richard Nixon, not Andrew Johnson--will go down in more disgrace or be more reviled by history than Donald Trump. And that is as it should be.
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RVInit wrote: Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:07 am Donnie's not bothering to be tied in knots and launch a tweet storm about the outright accusation in the NYC papers because he knows what he really did.
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I hear he's tossing the coin at today's Army/Navy game, might slow down the tweet storm until later. :?: What kind of crowd will they have there and any chance Individual 1 will get a few boos?
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For those of us who are IANALs, The Atlantic has an article by @popehat (Ken White), written with clarity, which lays out the substance and import of Friday's three court filings. If you are confused, as I am, by all the many exclamation point-ridden short-form expositions on social media and in long-form media, this is an excellent summation. Some snippets:
Manafort, Cohen, and Individual 1 Are in Grave Danger
Robert Mueller is closing in on the president and all his men.
:snippity:
The prosecutors’ rebuttal of Cohen’s sentencing brief is one of the more livid denunciations I’ve seen in more than two decades of federal criminal practice.
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If the Southern District’s fury at Cohen is notable, its explicit accusation that President Trump directed and coordinated campaign-finance violations is simply stunning. The prosecutors’ openness suggests that they are sure of their evidence and have mostly finished collecting it. It’s a sign of a fully developed, late-game investigation of the president’s role, one that may soon make its way to Congress.
:snippity:
And that brings us to brief No. 3: Special Counsel Mueller’s separate sentencing brief in Cohen’s lying-to-Congress case. :snippety:
That statement suggests that the special counsel believes that someone in the Trump administration knew of, and approved in advance, Cohen’s lies to Congress. :snippity: That’s explosive, and potentially impeachable if Trump himself is implicated.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... en/577681/

For those on The Fogbow who are lawyers, do you have any comments, criticisms or quibbles with Mr. White's summation :?: If so, share with the rest of us :?: :blink:
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Yesterday Giuliani told CNN Mueller would allege that Manafort was lying about Trump 's knowledge of the Russian meeting in the Individual #1 Tower. That wasn't in the filing. My feeling is that Giuliani knows Trump knew about the meeting and is trying to get ahead of the story - otherwise it seems like a very stupid thing to say. Thoughts?
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Isn't it almost a proven given at this point that if Rudy says one thing then the alternative is almost certainly true?
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tek wrote: Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:28 am
Kendra wrote: Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:23 amBut...he has time to tweet and tweet and tweet?
That's the "critical and more important matters" ..
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Fox News preparing their viewers for the inevitable (?) ...
Andrew C. McCarthy: Why Trump is likely to be indicted by Manhattan US Attorney
Andrew McCarthy By Andrew McCarthy | Fox News

Former US attorney Andrew McCarthy on Cohen sentencing memo

The major takeaway from the 40-page sentencing memorandum filed by federal prosecutors Friday for Michael Cohen, President Trump’s former personal attorney, is this: The president is very likely to be indicted on a charge of violating federal campaign finance laws.

It has been obvious for some time that President Trump is the principal subject of the investigation still being conducted by the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York.


https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/andrew- ... s-attorney
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Face the Nation wrote: Published on 9 Dec 2018

The incoming chairman the House Intelligence Committee said the Justice Department may indict the President the day he leaves the White House
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RTH10260 wrote: Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:13 am Fox News preparing their viewers for the inevitable (?) ...
Andrew C. McCarthy: Why Trump is likely to be indicted by Manhattan US Attorney
Andrew McCarthy By Andrew McCarthy | Fox News

Former US attorney Andrew McCarthy on Cohen sentencing memo

The major takeaway from the 40-page sentencing memorandum filed by federal prosecutors Friday for Michael Cohen, President Trump’s former personal attorney, is this: The president is very likely to be indicted on a charge of violating federal campaign finance laws.

It has been obvious for some time that President Trump is the principal subject of the investigation still being conducted by the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York.


https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/andrew- ... s-attorney
I noticed the Fox hosts did not bother to correct the erroneous claim that Obama had been guilty of campaign FINANCE violations. No, his campaign had some reporting violations, such as reporting contributions over $1200 later than required, which were deemed to have been relatively minor. Those are not violations that EVER involve charges because they are simply failure to report certain things within a specific timeline. I see what's coming - Fox will go on and on and on about Obama's campaign FINANCE violations and their viewers will never understand the difference.

The last sentence of a Politico article about those violations:
But independent experts, including former FEC commissioner Michael Toner, said after the audit was released that the infractions were relatively minor, given the scope of the campaign.

The whole article: https://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/ ... 000-085784
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I do think it's important to understand that Andrew McCarthy is not a never Trump type by any means. He wrote a critique of the Mueller probe a year or so ago that prompted a ferocious reply from the normally sanguine Ben Wittes on Lawfare. I've disagreed with basically everything the man has ever said or put to print since I can remember.

Some of the more self-aware Fox viewers may sit up and take notice that Andrew McCarthy saying these things means something.
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One just loves young Mr McCarthy's background pimping of his two tawdry, fact free little diatribes masquerading as books. So terribly professional to have both of them as a backdrop to his nonsense...… Of course they could just be sum total of the remaindered…...
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Chilidog wrote: Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:40 pm
RTH10260 wrote: Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:30 pm
Addie wrote: Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:22 pm I don't know if this means anything or nothing, but Trump's company's (Dem) tax attorney for 12 years.

Chicago Sun-Times

Note: Not the office of his law firm. Corruption charges perhaps?
Could be.

Hes not exactly an eagle scout.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/fbi-s ... cellphone/

Chicago’s most powerful alderman, Edward M. Burke, had his cell phone seized by federal agents who raided his government and political offices late last month, the Chicago Sun-Times has learned.

It’s unclear why the FBI seized the phone or where it was when they took it

It’s also unclear whether the alderman has more than one cellphone.

Burke wouldn’t comment on the seizure.
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Kendra wrote: Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:42 pm
Chilidog wrote: Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:40 pm
RTH10260 wrote: Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:30 pm

Note: Not the office of his law firm. Corruption charges perhaps?
Could be.

Hes not exactly an eagle scout.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/fbi-s ... cellphone/

Chicago’s most powerful alderman, Edward M. Burke, had his cell phone seized by federal agents who raided his government and political offices late last month, the Chicago Sun-Times has learned.

It’s unclear why the FBI seized the phone or where it was when they took it

It’s also unclear whether the alderman has more than one cellphone.

Burke wouldn’t comment on the seizure.
Is this related to the Mueller investigation?
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Might be. Or not.
A source told the Sun-Times the raids were in response to new allegations, and not prompted by any past controversies that have swirled around Burke. That means, for now, the investigation isn’t focused on Burke’s property-tax-appeal work for President Donald Trump, or Burke’s oversight of a city workers’ compensation fund, among other matters.

It doesn’t mean, however, that those dots won’t be connected later.
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Daily Beast
Get Ready for Mueller’s Phase Two: The Middle East Connection

The ‘Russia investigation’ is set to go global. In court filings due to drop in 2019, prosecutors will unveil Middle Eastern countries’ attempts to influence U.S. politics.


Over the past year, the indictments, convictions, and guilty pleas have largely been connected, in one way or another, to Russia. But now, special counsel Robert Mueller’s office is preparing to reveal to the public a different side of his investigation. In court filings that are set to drop in early 2019, prosecutors will begin to unveil Middle Eastern countries’ attempts to influence American politics, three sources familiar with this side of the probe told The Daily Beast.

In other words, the “Russia investigation” is set to go global.

While one part of the Mueller team has indicted Russian spies and troll-masters, another cadre has been spending its time focusing on how Middle Eastern countries pushed cash to Washington politicos in an attempt to sway policy under President Trump’s administration. Various witnesses affiliated with the Trump campaign have been questioned about their conversations with deeply connected individuals from the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, and Israel, according to people familiar with the probe. Topics in those meetings ranged from the use of social-media manipulation to help install Trump in the White House to the overthrow of the regime in Iran.

Now, according to those same sources, the Special Counsel’s Office is ready to outline what cooperating witnesses have told them about foreigners’ plans to help Trump win the presidency. Two sources with knowledge of the probe said Mueller’s team has for months discussed the possibility of issuing new charges on this side of the investigation.

“If this is going to be unveiled, this would be like the surfacing of the submarine but on the other plank which we haven’t seen,” said Harry Litman, a former U.S. attorney. “I guess what Mueller has to date has turned out to be pretty rich and detailed and more than we anticipated. This could turn out to be a rich part of the overall story.”
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No fair! Not in scope!
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You are kidding, right?
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As pointed out on ABC News this morning, the end of Mueller's investigation does not end the SDNY investigations.
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Have we figured out yet if the Chicago investigations are related to Mueller?
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I don't have a link, but CNN reported there's something going down today regarding the grand jury and the person fighting a subpoena that's been bouncing back and forth in appeals to higher court and all super secret and sealed. They have reporters camped at the courthouse looking for familiar faces or lawyers they maybe can match to potential clients.

Also something due from Mueller's office by 3PM re: Flynn matter.

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Not big enough.

I'm on my way to the Cohen thread, but OMG!! at the comments Geraldo just made on Fox and Friends about Cohen and Trump's risks :eek2:
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