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Post by MsDaisy » Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:15 pm

RTH10260 wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:28 pm
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https:// twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1116172224459882496
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Sometimes in life you have to let people breathe before it all comes back to bite you!

04:52 - 11 Apr 2019
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yup - the GOP has let Teh Donald breathe too long. :twisted:
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Post by Mr. Gneiss » Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:51 pm

Mike,

I don't know if my question/issue is similar to Sugar Magnolia's, but the problem I'm having with "fair usage" related to political speech is the notion that it is okay to use copyrighted "things" completely unrelated to the political speech for no other purpose than embellishment. In other words, why do I get to mate a catchy copyrighted tune with my political speech? It seems that as long as I can claim the music is meant to get people to pay attention to my political drivel I'm free to use it under the fair usage doctrine.

Thanks for your previous response. I'm trying to understand. :)

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Post by much ado » Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:54 pm

I have exactly the same problem as Mr. Gneiss. The work being used has no political message in itself and is unrelated to the political message of the appropriator.

So if I claim to have a political message, can I use any copyrighted work? Is there a test for real political speech?

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Post by Dan1100 » Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:59 pm

Mr. Gneiss wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:51 pm
Mike,

I don't know if my question/issue is similar to Sugar Magnolia's, but the problem I'm having with "fair usage" related to political speech is the notion that it is okay to use copyrighted "things" completely unrelated to the political speech for no other purpose than embellishment. In other words, why do I get to mate a catchy copyrighted tune with my political speech? It seems that as long as I can claim the music is meant to get people to pay attention to my political drivel I'm free to use it under the fair usage doctrine.

Thanks for your previous response. I'm trying to understand. :)
Is it really right to use an artists music not just for political speech, but political speech they oppose? Imagine if Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez started running commercials with Ted Nugent music. Is it fair use to make Ted Nugent "Cat Scratch Fever" into the AOC Democratic Socialist Utopia theme song?
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Post by Mr. Gneiss » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:11 pm

I say no Dan unless she pays Ted a royalty, but hey, I'm just a geologist/land surveyor.

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Post by Danraft » Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:21 pm

It wasn't just a graphic on a misleading tweet from Trump. It was a screen shot of a FOX graphic, and ,Lou Dobbs talked about it, digressed for a minute, then went back to it, with a guest talking about how "correct" that was...
And that was a perfect screen grab.
So, a fake graphic
Lou Dobbs endorsing it.
A guest reinforcing it.
A perfect screen grab, then passed to whoever does the tweets.
Then the tweet.

This was by no means an accident (in my humble tin foil hat opinion) but rather a perfect use of 1984 "Doublethink".
This is radically different than what happened before. And, we are just so conditioned now that it doesn't ring the alarm bells.
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Post by RVInit » Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:37 pm

Danraft wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:21 pm
It wasn't just a graphic on a misleading tweet from Trump. It was a screen shot of a FOX graphic, and ,Lou Dobbs talked about it, digressed for a minute, then went back to it, with a guest talking about how "correct" that was...
And that was a perfect screen grab.
So, a fake graphic
Lou Dobbs endorsing it.
A guest reinforcing it.
A perfect screen grab, then passed to whoever does the tweets.
Then the tweet.

This was by no means an accident (in my humble tin foil hat opinion) but rather a perfect use of 1984 "Doublethink".
This is radically different than what happened before. And, we are just so conditioned now that it doesn't ring the alarm bells.
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Post by Mikedunford » Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:30 am

Dan1100 wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:59 pm
Mr. Gneiss wrote:
Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:51 pm
Mike,

I don't know if my question/issue is similar to Sugar Magnolia's, but the problem I'm having with "fair usage" related to political speech is the notion that it is okay to use copyrighted "things" completely unrelated to the political speech for no other purpose than embellishment. In other words, why do I get to mate a catchy copyrighted tune with my political speech? It seems that as long as I can claim the music is meant to get people to pay attention to my political drivel I'm free to use it under the fair usage doctrine.

Thanks for your previous response. I'm trying to understand. :)
Is it really right to use an artists music not just for political speech, but political speech they oppose? Imagine if Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez started running commercials with Ted Nugent music. Is it fair use to make Ted Nugent "Cat Scratch Fever" into the AOC Democratic Socialist Utopia theme song?
That's a moral rights argument, but we're not (our accession to the Berne Convention notwithstanding) really a moral rights jurisdiction. Copyright in the US tradition is supposed to be a purely economic right - a government-granted monopoly that's intended to allow a limited set of protections for a limited time. We keep expanding the extent and time of the protections (which makes things like fair use more important in my view, not less), but the incentives-based core is supposed to remain intact.
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Post by pipistrelle » Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:43 am

I get the "fair use," etc., since the video was made by a common man so to speak. IF the video had been made by the Trump campaign, does that mean something different?

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Post by MsDaisy » Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:53 am

Donald J. Trump ‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
“I don’t need to know any more. We’re done, absolutely done, he (Mueller) tried the case. There’s NO COLLUSION.” @LindseyGrahamSC @foxandfriends No matter what we do or give to the Radical Left, it will never be enough!
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President Obama’s top White House lawyer, Gregory B. Craig, was indicted yesterday on very serious charges. This is a really big story, but the Fake News New York Times didn’t even put it on page one, rather page 16. @washingtonpost not much better, “tiny” page one. Corrupt News!
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“Democrats don’t like the results of the Mueller Report, so now they’re trying everything else.” @RepDougCollins They should stop wasting time and money and get back to real legislating, especially on the Border!
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Post by RTH10260 » Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:07 am

MsDaisy wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:53 am
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Donald J. Trump ‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump
“Democrats don’t like the results of the Mueller Report, so now they’re trying everything else.” @RepDougCollins They should stop wasting time and money and get back to real legislating, especially on the Border!
9:46 AM - 12 Apr 2019
https:// twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1116699102438461442
Dear Donald - it is your job as Election College chosen leader to direct your Republican Party to viable legislation, not that of the Democrats. You had all the time of two years in total control of Congress to get things done, not only get hooked up on a tax reform that will fail in the long run.

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Post by Kendra » Fri Apr 12, 2019 12:01 pm

Even the Democrats now say that our Southern Border is a Crisis and a National Emergency. Hopefully, we will not be getting any more BAD (outrageous) court decisions!

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Post by Volkonski » Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:03 pm

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NEW: Pres. Trump tweets plan is under consideration to transfer immigrants to "sanctuary cities."

Prior to his tweet, a White House official told @ABC News, "This was just a suggestion that was floated and rejected, which ended any further discussion."
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Post by Volkonski » Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:23 pm

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Due to the fact that Democrats are unwilling to change our very dangerous immigration laws, we are indeed, as reported, giving strong considerations to placing Illegal Immigrants in Sanctuary Cities only....

11:38 AM - 12 Apr 2019
Trump endorsing catch and release?
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Post by neonzx » Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:40 pm

:doh:

Does he realize said "sancutary cities" don't have walls to keep anyone in? :geek:
To which Trump replied, Fuck the law. I don't give a fuck about the law. I want my fucking money.

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Post by RTH10260 » Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:43 pm

Kendra wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 12:01 pm
https:// twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1116707442061193217
Even the Democrats now say that our Southern Border is a Crisis and a National Emergency. Hopefully, we will not be getting any more BAD (outrageous) court decisions!
:shh: Dear Donald. even in a pressing situation, even in an emergency (the southern border situation is none), the government has to follow the given law and not take shortcuts.

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Post by Kendra » Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:46 pm

If I have it correctly, the WH and DSHS has spent the entire morning trying to clean this :shit: up and he just dumped more on the flames?

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Post by RVInit » Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:15 pm

I wish the media would start educating people about the concept of sanctuary cities, particularly the fact that the idea was pushed very hard by conservative law enforcement. And, for a very good reason. People who are in the country illegally were often afraid to report crimes and would not be willing to testify about crimes because of the fear of deportation. Sanctuary was intended to protect people from being automatically deported IF the fact of their being in the country illegally would ONLY have been found out because of their willingness to cooperate with law enforcement and prosecutors.
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Post by Kendra » Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:29 pm

Sticking here 'cause DOTUS retweeted it.

.@CLewandowski_ says he is POSITIVE orders to spy on the #Trump campaign during 2016 came from the HIGHEST levels – perhaps even from Former President #Obama himself, watch:

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Post by Sugar Magnolia » Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:42 pm

And there are many people who are POSITIVE the earth is flat.

They are wrong, also.

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Post by MsDaisy » Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:33 am

Trump re-tweeted
Erielle Davidson‏Verified account @politicalelle
Erielle Davidson Retweeted ForAmerica
How is this woman walking the halls of Congress. How.
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If the Radical Left Democrats all of a sudden don’t want the Illegal Migrants in their Sanctuary Cities (no more open arms), why should others be expected to take them into their communities? Go home and come into our Country legally and through a system of Merit!
10:30 PM - 12 Apr 2019



Donald J. Trump‏ Verified account @realDonaldTrump
Another Fake Story on @NBCNews that I offered Pardons to Homeland Securiy personnel in case they broke the law regarding illegal immigration and sanctuary cities. Of course this is not true. Mainstream Media is corrupt and getting worse, if that is possible, every day!
11:33 PM - 12 Apr 2019



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In New York State, Democrats blocked a Bill expanding College Tuition for Gold Star families after approving aid for illegal immigrants. No wonder so many people are leaving N.Y. Very Sad!
11:51 PM - 12 Apr 2019

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Post by Chilidog » Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:55 am

The Democrats in New York were right to table that bill for a later legislative session.

It would have granted free tuition to anyone who is a spouse or child of anyone who died in service, in combat (gold star) or not.

The problem is, they have no idea just how many people that would be.

And besides, gold star families in New York already get tuition breaks.

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Post by ZekeB » Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:22 am

Should I get special treatment because of what my brother contributed? Spouses and children, yes. Other family members, no.
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Post by neonzx » Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:10 am

By default, I am suspect of any legislation that is designed to invoke sympathies to garner support. They are rarely given a detailed analysis prior to being voted for from an emotional place.
To which Trump replied, Fuck the law. I don't give a fuck about the law. I want my fucking money.

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