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Re: President Trump

Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:03 pm

Skip Intro wrote:What she has is a 2005 1040 that shows Trump paid $38 million on $150 million of income. Trump's already issued a statement confirming that, so it's one more big fail for MSNBC.

It's obvious that no one on our side knows how to play this game.
Why is it a fail?
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Re: President Trump

Post by Dan1100 » Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:10 pm

Skip Intro wrote:What she has is a 2005 1040 that shows Trump paid $38 million on $150 million of income. Trump's already issued a statement confirming that, so it's one more big fail for MSNBC.

It's obvious that no one on our side knows how to play this game.
I don't think it is a fail. It is a piece of the puzzle, albeit a very small piece.

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Re: President Trump

Post by Skip Intro » Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:24 pm

Tiredretiredlawyer wrote:
Skip Intro wrote:What she has is a 2005 1040 that shows Trump paid $38 million on $150 million of income. Trump's already issued a statement confirming that, so it's one more big fail for MSNBC.

It's obvious that no one on our side knows how to play this game.
Why is it a fail?
Because 1) it proves that Trump did pay income taxes at least once this century, making that line if attack moot, and

2) Trump once again gets to play the vIctim of "illegal" leaks by the "dishonest" media.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Trump was the leaker here.
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Re: President Trump

Post by Slim Cognito » Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:24 pm

Client Copy is stamped on the return. Who thinks this was leaked by John Miller to get the heat off his Trumpcare fail? Hell, he did it with Melania's nudie pix.

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Re: President Trump

Post by TexasFilly » Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:51 pm

Slim Cognito wrote:Client Copy is stamped on the return. Who thinks this was leaked by John Miller to get the heat off his Trumpcare fail? Hell, he did it with Melania's nudie pix.
You mean John Barron? I think most people who have not been in a coma for the last year think it was leaked by Trump or someone at his direction. Why 2005? Maybe it was one of the few years that he actually paid any taxes?
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Re: President Trump

Post by Orlylicious » Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:52 am

This is just grand 60 days in.
‘People are scared’: Paranoia seizes Trump’s White House
Staffers are leaving their phones at home, using secret apps and monitoring each other’s social media.
By Alex Isenstadt and Kenneth P. Vogel 03/15/17 05:13 AM EDT

A culture of paranoia is consuming the Trump administration, with staffers increasingly preoccupied with perceived enemies—inside their own government.

In interviews, nearly a dozen White House aides and federal agency staffers described a litany of suspicions: that rival factions in the administration are trying to embarrass them, that civil servants opposed to President Donald Trump are trying to undermine him, and even that a “deep state” of career military and intelligence officials is out to destroy them.

Aides are going to great lengths to protect themselves. They’re turning off work-issued smartphones and putting them in drawers when they arrive home from work out of fear that they could be used to eavesdrop. They’re staying mum in meetings out of concern that their comments could be leaked to the press by foes.

Many are using encrypted apps that automatically delete messages once they’ve been read, or are leaving their personal cell phones at home in case their bosses initiate phone checks of the sort that press secretary Sean Spicer deployed last month to identify leakers on his team.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/t ... oia-236069
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Re: President Trump

Post by ZekeB » Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:54 am

You'd think there would be a used Samsung television outlet somewhere in D.C.

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Re: President Trump

Post by Somerset » Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:55 am

Skip Intro wrote:
Tiredretiredlawyer wrote:
Why is it a fail?
Because 1) it proves that Trump did pay income taxes at least once this century, making that line if attack moot, and

2) Trump once again gets to play the vIctim of "illegal" leaks by the "dishonest" media.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if Trump was the leaker here.
That's my thought as well.

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Re: President Trump

Post by Somerset » Wed Mar 15, 2017 6:20 am

Orlylicious wrote:This is just grand 60 days in.
‘People are scared’: Paranoia seizes Trump’s White House
Staffers are leaving their phones at home, using secret apps and monitoring each other’s social media.
By Alex Isenstadt and Kenneth P. Vogel 03/15/17 05:13 AM EDT

A culture of paranoia is consuming the Trump administration, with staffers increasingly preoccupied with perceived enemies—inside their own government.

In interviews, nearly a dozen White House aides and federal agency staffers described a litany of suspicions: that rival factions in the administration are trying to embarrass them, that civil servants opposed to President Donald Trump are trying to undermine him, and even that a “deep state” of career military and intelligence officials is out to destroy them.

Aides are going to great lengths to protect themselves. They’re turning off work-issued smartphones and putting them in drawers when they arrive home from work out of fear that they could be used to eavesdrop. They’re staying mum in meetings out of concern that their comments could be leaked to the press by foes.

Many are using encrypted apps that automatically delete messages once they’ve been read, or are leaving their personal cell phones at home in case their bosses initiate phone checks of the sort that press secretary Sean Spicer deployed last month to identify leakers on his team.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/t ... oia-236069
Pro-Trump staffers are feeling scared and paranoid and say they're being targeted pro-Obama holdovers? This sound like it might be an intentional leak by Bannon & Co.

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Re: President Trump

Post by RTH10260 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:06 am

Trump Using Detroit as Stage for Loosening Obama’s Fuel Economy Rules
By CORAL DAVENPORT and BILL VLASICMARCH 15, 2017

WASHINGTON — President Trump will travel to Detroit on Wednesday to announce a rollback of stringent fuel economy standards for cars and trucks that were put in place by the Obama administration — a welcome message to American automakers but one that could slow the push for a new generation of efficient vehicles.

The fuel-economy rules, aimed at cutting heat-trapping carbon dioxide, were one of the two main pillars of President Barack Obama’s climate change legacy. Put forth in 2012, they would have required automakers to nearly double the average fuel economy of new cars and trucks to 54.5 miles per gallon by 2025, forcing automakers to speed development of highly fuel-efficient vehicles, including hybrid and electric cars.

The rules have been widely praised by environmentalists and energy economists for reducing the nation’s dependence on foreign oil and its greenhouse pollution. If put fully into effect, the fuel efficiency standards would have cut oil consumption by about 12 billion barrels and reduced carbon dioxide pollution by about six billion tons over the lifetime of all the cars affected by the regulations.

That would have been a little more than the amount of oil consumed and carbon pollution produced by the United States in a year, according to the Environmental Protection Agency.

But automakers said the fuel standards would be technologically hard to achieve and expensive to comply with. In their first Oval Office meeting with Mr. Trump, executives from the three Detroit car companies — General Motors, Ford Motor and Fiat Chrysler — asked him to revisit and revise his predecessor’s rules.

Mr. Trump will use his Detroit trip to tell the executives that he will oblige their request — and to tell autoworkers that the loosened rules will stimulate the growth of manufacturing jobs.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/15/us/p ... dards.html

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Re: President Trump

Post by RTH10260 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:10 am

RTH10260 wrote:
Trump Using Detroit as Stage for Loosening Obama’s Fuel Economy Rules
By CORAL DAVENPORT and BILL VLASICMARCH 15, 2017
:snippity:
But automakers said the fuel standards would be technologically hard to achieve and expensive to comply with. In their first Oval Office meeting with Mr. Trump, executives from the three Detroit car companies — General Motors, Ford Motor and Fiat Chrysler — asked him to revisit and revise his predecessor’s rules.

Mr. Trump will use his Detroit trip to tell the executives that he will oblige their request — and to tell autoworkers that the loosened rules will stimulate the growth of manufacturing jobs.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/15/us/p ... dards.html
The automakers scared of inventions? Even when their German competition needed to fall back on some software tricks to find their way into the US market? Not to think that their R&D needs anyhow to work on solutions for the California car market with stricter conditions on vehicles. And the loosened rules will not bring growth to the manufacturing jobs, those depend on the general economy bringing consumer happiness to spending.

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Post by Lani » Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:33 am

RTH10260 wrote:
RTH10260 wrote:
Trump Using Detroit as Stage for Loosening Obama’s Fuel Economy Rules
:snippity:
Mr. Trump will use his Detroit trip to tell the executives that he will oblige their request — and to tell autoworkers that the loosened rules will stimulate the growth of manufacturing jobs.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/15/us/p ... dards.html
The automakers scared of inventions? Even when their German competition needed to fall back on some software tricks to find their way into the US market? Not to think that their R&D needs anhow to work on solutions for the California car market with stricter conditions on vehicles. And the loosened rules will not bring growth to the manufacturing jobs, those depend on the general economy bringing consumer happiness to spending.
Yeah, I don't get it either. How does building gas guzzlers create new jobs? Unless he doesn't give a shit about jobs, and this is just about destroying regulations. :confused:
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Re: President Trump

Post by YellowMustard » Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:53 am

Orlylicious wrote:This is just grand 60 days in.
‘People are scared’: Paranoia seizes Trump’s White House
Staffers are leaving their phones at home, using secret apps and monitoring each other’s social media.
By Alex Isenstadt and Kenneth P. Vogel 03/15/17 05:13 AM
Are they still using the White House microwaves?
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Re: President Trump

Post by RVInit » Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:32 am

Lani wrote:
RTH10260 wrote:
The automakers scared of inventions? Even when their German competition needed to fall back on some software tricks to find their way into the US market? Not to think that their R&D needs anhow to work on solutions for the California car market with stricter conditions on vehicles. And the loosened rules will not bring growth to the manufacturing jobs, those depend on the general economy bringing consumer happiness to spending.
Yeah, I don't get it either. How does building gas guzzlers create new jobs? Unless he doesn't give a shit about jobs, and this is just about destroying regulations. :confused:
IMO this is just about destroying regulations. He's stupid but not enough to think gutting sane standards would actually create jobs. Of course, business leaders have already shown they are enough afraid of Trump at this point they will echo his claims. Also kissing his butt will bring them many financial benefits, so there's that, too. So, I'm sure we'll be hearing all about how his gutting of regulations is creating mucho jobs.
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Re: President Trump

Post by RTH10260 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:22 pm

no mommy, I didn't do it...
Trump administration’s latest rationale for travel ban: National security officials asked for it
By Mark Berman March 15 at 1:34 PM

Just hours before President Trump’s second travel ban is set to go into effect, Justice Department lawyers headed to court to fight attempts to halt the executive order.

A key part of the Trump administration’s argument for why this ban is both necessary and different from the last one: This time, top national security officials asked Trump for the order.

In a letter written to Trump and dated March 6, the day he signed the revised travel ban, Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Homeland Security Secretary John F. Kelly argued that the new order was needed to help address “a risk to our nation’s security.” The letter appeared to highlight a key difference between Trump’s earlier ban — which was signed in late January, met by intense protests and then quickly frozen by the courts — and his second order, which laid out more national security-related justifications for why it was necessary.
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Post by bob » Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:38 pm

Politico: Trump attorney challenges Scarborough to prove Trump team is behind tax leak:
President Donald Trump’s personal attorney on Wednesday challenged MSNBC host Joe Scarborough to prove his assertion that the “Trump camp” was behind the leak of two pages from the president’s 2005 tax returns.

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“This one tax return is not bad for him because he cherry picked one return from over a decade ago and had it leaked to the press,” Scarborough wrote on Twitter. “The Trump camp released one positive tax return to distract from Russia hearings and the Trumpcare meltdown. That's painfully obvious.”

That prompted the challenge from longtime Trump attorney Michael Cohen, who tweeted, “I know who has his taxes. You better have proof to back up your claim and big mouth!”

In response, Scarborough tweeted: "1. Read the First Amendment 2. Save your dumb thug routine for someone who gives a damn."
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Post by TexasFilly » Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:34 pm

bob wrote:

That prompted the challenge from longtime Trump attorney Michael Cohen, who tweeted, “I know who has his taxes. You better have proof to back up your claim and big mouth!”
Says who?
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Re: President Trump

Post by RTH10260 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:25 pm

Just revisiting Sean Spicer and:

Spicer: Trump did not literally mean ...

(eg in http://www.guns.com/2017/03/14/spicer-t ... ets-video/ )

I guess for the international diplomatic community this means that nothing Trump blows out on Twitter has any political value, does not to be taken as actual communication of what the US government thinks and intends to do.

Troublemakers on the planet: you can just ignore what clown-in-chief says !

Now SpiceBoy has just confirmed this, how will the US handle rogue nations like N.Korea. How does one send them subtle messages of precedential presidential anger?


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Re: President Trump

Post by pipistrelle » Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:58 pm

Any thoughts on Feinstein's reaction (see the responses)? Is it necessarily about Trump? Please don't let it be about the EMAILS. You know what I'm talking about.


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Post by YaYa » Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:08 pm

2004 was the year the don'T bankrupted Trump Casino Holdings. That's Plural.

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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:22 pm

pipistrelle wrote:Any thoughts on Feinstein's reaction (see the responses)? Is it necessarily about Trump? Please don't let it be about the EMAILS. You know what I'm talking about.

She looked stunned. My years of law practice trying to guess a judge's thoughts or a jury's verdict make me decline to say WHAT it is, only that it is BAD. :cantlook:
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Post by Volkonski » Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:30 pm

Tiredretiredlawyer wrote:
pipistrelle wrote:Any thoughts on Feinstein's reaction (see the responses)? Is it necessarily about Trump? Please don't let it be about the EMAILS. You know what I'm talking about.

She looked stunned. My years of law practice trying to guess a judge's thoughts or a jury's verdict make me decline to say WHAT it is, only that it is BAD. :cantlook:
Bad for whom?
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Re: President Trump

Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:31 pm

Volkonski wrote:
Tiredretiredlawyer wrote:
pipistrelle wrote:Any thoughts on Feinstein's reaction (see the responses)? Is it necessarily about Trump? Please don't let it be about the EMAILS. You know what I'm talking about.

She looked stunned. My years of law practice trying to guess a judge's thoughts or a jury's verdict make me decline to say WHAT it is, only that it is BAD. :cantlook:
Bad for whom?
Don't know. It's bad enough to shock and stun Dianne Feinstein.
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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:46 pm

http://shareblue.com/watch-lawmakers-ap ... on-russia/
FBI Director James Comey met separately with members of the Senate and House for highly classified briefings. Members went into the briefings looking for a firm answer from the FBI to the question of whether or not their was an ongoing investigation into possible ties between Donald Trump’s presidential campaign and Russia but emerged silent on that question and appearing visibly disturbed.
On the Senate side, Comey met with the Chair, Senator Chuck Grassley, and Ranking Member, Senator Dianne Feinstein, of the Senate Judiciary Committee.
After the meeting, Feinstein spoke very briefly with reporters who had been waiting for the pair to emerge from the briefing:

Watch: Lawmakers appear shaken after Comey briefing on Russia
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Following a "highly classified" briefing by the FBI Director to select members of the Senate and House, lawmakers emerged appearing worried.

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FBI Director James Comey met separately with members of the Senate and House for highly classified briefings. Members went into the briefings looking for a firm answer from the FBI to the question of whether or not their was an ongoing investigation into possible ties between Donald Trump’s presidential campaign and Russia but emerged silent on that question and appearing visibly disturbed.
On the Senate side, Comey met with the Chair, Senator Chuck Grassley, and Ranking Member, Senator Dianne Feinstein, of the Senate Judiciary Committee.
After the meeting, Feinstein spoke very briefly with reporters who had been waiting for the pair to emerge from the briefing:

Long-time observers of events on the Hill noted the unusually somber appearances of the Senators.
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Re: President Trump

Post by SLQ » Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:53 pm

Tiredretiredlawyer wrote:
Volkonski wrote:
Tiredretiredlawyer wrote: She looked stunned. My years of law practice trying to guess a judge's thoughts or a jury's verdict make me decline to say WHAT it is, only that it is BAD. :cantlook:
Bad for whom?
Don't know. It's bad enough to shock and stun Dianne Feinstein.
Just a guess: I don't think hearing a big nothingburger would cause this kind of reaction. But who knows?

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