All the President's pardons

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Jeffrey wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 3:11 pm There’s no logic to him pardoning these guys but not his henchmen. Or pardoning at this time of year at this point in his term.
Sure there is! Normalize that people who commit the kind of crimes Trump and his buddies did get pardons! He's just not pardoning Stone, Manafort and Flynn before the election.


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Not f*ing real - a new moral low - no way the US will ever again be telling anyone in any country how to run a ethical government :blackeye: :brickwallsmall: :doh:
Trump Grants Clemency to Rod Blagojevich, Bernard Kerik and Michael Milken
The president also pardoned or commuted the sentences of eight others on Tuesday, including Edward DeBartolo, a former owner of the San Francisco 49ers.

By Peter Baker, Maggie Haberman and Michael D. Shear
Feb. 18, 2020 Updated 2:55 p.m. ET

WASHINGTON — President Trump commuted the 14-year prison sentence of former Gov. Rod R. Blagojevich of Illinois, the Democrat who was convicted of trying to essentially sell Barack Obama’s vacated Senate seat for personal gain, and pardoned the financier Michael R. Milken and Bernard B. Kerik, the former New York City police commissioner, the president announced on Tuesday.

“Yes, we commuted the sentence of Rod Blagojevich,” Mr. Trump told reporters just before boarding Air Force One for a four-day trip to the west coast where he is scheduled to hold three campaign rallies. “He served eight years in jail, a long time. He seems like a very nice person, don’t know him.”

Mr. Kerik, the former New York City police commissioner, was convicted of tax fraud and lying to the government. And he said he had also pardoned Mr. Milken, the investment banker who was known in the 1980s as the “junk bond king” and who has fought for decades to reverse his conviction for securities fraud.

Mr. Trump commuted the former governor’s sentence on Tuesday after saying for years that he was considering intervening in Mr. Blagojevich’s case. By commuting the sentence, the president would free Mr. Blagojevich from prison without wiping out the conviction. Republicans have advised the president against it, arguing that Mr. Blagojevich’s crime epitomizes the corruption that Mr. Trump had said he wanted to tackle as president.


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I don’t see how delaying pardons for Stone, Flynn and Manafort makes sense.


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The White House (for reals!): Statement from the Press Secretary Regarding Executive Grants of Clemency:
Today, President Donald J. Trump signed Executive Grants of Clemency granting Full Pardons to the following individuals: Edward DeBartolo, Jr., Michael Milken, Ariel Friedler, Bernard Kerik, Paul Pogue, David Safavian, and Angela Stanton. In addition, President Trump signed Executive Grants of Clemency granting commutations to Rod Blagojevich, Tynice Nichole Hall, Crystal Munoz, and Judith Negron.

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Edward DeBartolo, Jr., is a successful businessman, real estate developer, and member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame. . . .

* * *

Michael Milken, one of America’s greatest financiers, pioneered the use of high-yield bonds in corporate finance. His innovative work greatly expanded access to capital for emerging companies. By enabling smaller players to access the financing they needed to compete, Mr. Milken’s efforts helped create entire industries, such as wireless communications and cable television, and transformed others, like home building. Mr. Milken’s work also democratized corporate finance by providing women and minorities access to capital that would have been unavailable to them otherwise. . . .

* * *

Bernard Kerik courageously led the New York Police Department’s heroic response to the horrific attacks of September 11, 2001, as Commissioner of the New York Police Department. He embodied the strength, courage, compassion, and spirit of the people of New York and this great Nation as he served alongside first responders at the World Trade Center in the aftermath of the attack. . . .


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Wasn't Rod Blog on The Apprentice? If so, another hilarious "I don't know him" claim.


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Patagoniagirl wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:11 pm Wasn't Rod Blog on The Apprentice? If so, another hilarious "I don't know him" claim.
yep.

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It's not the same when Democrats do it:
Trump on Arpaio: Bill Clinton Pardoned Marc Rich After Wife Donated Hundreds Of Thousands Of Dollars
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On Date August 28, 2017

President Trump defends his decision to pardon former Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio, calls outs former President Bill Clinton's pardon of Marc Rich after receiving donations from ex-wife:

TRUMP:
I wanted to look at some of the other people that were pardoned over the years. And if you look at -- as an example, President Clinton pardoned Marc Rich, who was charged with crimes going back decades, including illegally buying oil from Iran while it held 53 American hostages -- wasn't allowed to do that -- selling to the enemies of the United States. He was pardoned after his wife donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to the Clintons.

Then you have dangerous criminals. President Clinton pardoned Susan Rosenberg, a member of the Weather Underground, charged as part of a bank robbery that led to a guard and two police officers being killed.

Drug dealers. President Clinton commuted the sentence of Carlos Vignali, a central player in a cocaine ring that stretched from California to Minnesota.

Criminal leaker. You've heard the word "leaker"? President Obama commuted the sentence of Chelsea Manning, who leaked countless sensitive and classified documents to WikiLeaks, perhaps and others, but horrible, horrible thing that he did -- commuted the sentence and perhaps pardoned.

President Obama commuted the sentence of Oscar Lopez Rivera, who was charged as part of a violent independence group from Puerto Rico responsible for 28 Chicago-area bombings and many deaths in the 1970s and 1980s.
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TexasFilly wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:32 pm
Jeffrey wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:27 pm So he’s crazy then.
No, he's doing this because HE CAN. Note that the former Gov. of Illinois and Bernie Kerik were in positions of public trust. So he's normalizing corruption for government officials. Disgusting. Bernie Madoff can't be far behind.
Part of it. Part of it is likely to distract from the heat on Barr.


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RTH10260 wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 3:14 pm Not f*ing real - a new moral low - no way the US will ever again be telling anyone in any country how to run a ethical government :blackeye: :brickwallsmall: :doh:
Trump Grants Clemency to Rod Blagojevich, Bernard Kerik and Michael Milken

WASHINGTON — President Trump commuted the 14-year prison sentence of former Gov. Rod R. Blagojevich of Illinois, the Democrat who was convicted of trying to essentially sell Barack Obama’s vacated Senate seat for personal gain, and pardoned the financier Michael R. Milken
Odd that Giuliani prosecuted Milken, then apparently lobbied for his pardon.


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'I Didn't Do the Things They Said.' Rod Blagojevich Maintains His Innocence After Trump's Commutation

https://time.com/5786594/rod-blagojevic ... d=82659690
Rod Blagojevich returned home to Chicago early Wednesday, shaking hands and signing autographs after President Donald Trump cut short the 14-year prison sentence handed to the former Illinois governor for political corruption.

Blagojevich landed at O’Hare airport hours after walking out of a Colorado prison where he served eight years, promising to work for judicial and criminal justice reform while maintaining his innocence.

“I didn’t do the things they said I did and they lied on me,” Blagojevich, a one-time contestant on Trump’s reality TV show “Celebrity Apprentice,” told WGN-TV as he walked through the airport greeting travelers who welcomed him home.

Blagojevich, 63, hails from a state with a long history of pay-to-play schemes. He was convicted in 2011 of crimes that included seeking to sell an appointment to Barack Obama’s old Senate seat and trying to shake down a children’s hospital.


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:smokeears:

Disgusting to hear that that man is walking free today.


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Just heard Blagojevich say he's a "trumpocrat" and hopes he's allowed to vote so he can vote for trump.

Crooks of a feather...


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Comey left DOJ before Blagojevich committed his crimes and returned after he began serving his prison sentence. He wasn't involved in the case.
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Rod Blagojevich did not sell the Senate seat. He served 8 years in prison, with many remaining. He paid a big price. Another Comey and gang deal! Thank you to @LisaMarieBoothe who really “gets” what’s going on! @FoxNews


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Volkonski wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:34 pm

Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump

Rod Blagojevich did not sell the Senate seat. He served 8 years in prison, with many remaining. He paid a big price. Another Comey and gang deal! Thank you to @LisaMarieBoothe who really “gets” what’s going on! @FoxNews
So he attempted to, and failed. Still a crime.
It almost seems like Trump only views things as crime if the schemes are successful ...


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Regarding Assange-
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The White House is calling upon the deep reservoir of credibility Stephanie Grisham has built up with the reporters in the increasingly dusty press room to put this story to rest.
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“The President barely knows Dana Rohrabacher other than he’s an ex-congressman. He’s never spoken to him on this subject or almost any subject. It is is a complete fabrication and a total lie. This is probably another never ending hoax and total lie from the DNC.”


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Volkonski wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2020 2:03 pm Regarding Assange-
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The White House is calling upon the deep reservoir of credibility Stephanie Grisham has built up with the reporters in the increasingly dusty press room to put this story to rest.
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“The President barely knows Dana Rohrabacher other than he’s an ex-congressman. He’s never spoken to him on this subject or almost any subject. It is is a complete fabrication and a total lie. This is probably another never ending hoax and total lie from the DNC.”
Barely knows him?

Is ShitGibbon in the habit of endorsing people he barely knows?





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WaPo: Trump keeps pardoning himself:
In many cases, there are very notable similarities between the president and his pardon recipients

By this point, it’s no secret that President Trump’s pardons have been significantly more self-serving than those of other presidents. While his predecessors have lodged controversial pardons — no question — Trump is simply on another level. Not only has he pardoned his allies, but he has often pardoned people who cozy up to the powerful people around him, whether via Fox News or some other method.

But there’s another key aspect of Trump’s pardons that shouldn’t get lost: In many cases, there are significant similarities between the pardon recipient and Trump -- or at least Trump’s depiction of himself.

Back in August, as he was weighing the commutation of former Illinois governor Rod Blagojevich’s (D) sentence (which Trump granted Tuesday), Trump suggested that the phone call on which Blagojevich was caught talking about selling an appointment to the U.S. Senate wasn’t actually bad.

“He’s been in jail for seven years over a phone call where nothing happens — over a phone call which he shouldn’t have said what he said, but it was braggadocio, you would say,” Trump said in early August. “I would think that there have been many politicians — I’m not one of them, by the way — that have said a lot worse over the telephone.”

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Of the fewer than three dozen people who have received clemency from Trump, at least three of them are reportedly billionaires, like Trump claims to be. Trump previously pardoned the media-mogul author of a Trump hagiography, Conrad Black, and on Tuesday, Trump added former junk bond king Michael Milken and ex-San Francisco 49ers owner Edward DeBartolo Jr. There are an estimated 600 billionaires in the United States, and very few of them have gone to prison, but Trump has now pardoned three.

One of Trump’s earliest pardons was for conservative provocateur Dinesh D’Souza. D’Souza, like Trump, was a major proponent of the racist “birther” conspiracy theory about former president Barack Obama’s birthplace. He was also convicted of a campaign finance violation, which is the crime Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to and implicated Trump in.

Trump’s first pardon was for Joe Arpaio, who might be the most pronounced embodiment of Trump’s hard-line immigration policies in American politics. Arpaio’s crimes also involved disobeying a judge’s orders against racial profiling of suspected undocumented immigrants; Trump as a candidate in the months before the pardon advocated racial profiling and for a ban on Muslim immigration and, in one of his first acts as president, banned immigration from several majority-Muslim nations.

Several of Trump’s pardons also involve people who made false statements to investigators or obstructed justice, including I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, Black and another man granted clemency Tuesday, former New York City police commissioner Bernard Kerik. Trump has defended allies who lied to investigators and was personally the subject of extensive evidence of obstruction in the special counsel report. He has also repeatedly downplayed the severity of meddling in such investigations.
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It may be significant that 'Blogo's' clemency was a commutation rather than a pardon. It means that the former Democratic governor gets out of prison but it does not restore his right to vote or his right to own a gun or some other rights and privileged.


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"Another Comey and gang deal!"

Donald Trump pardoned Rod Blagojevich apparently in part because he believes Blago was unfairly targeted by James Comey.

Um ... Comey was a U.S. Attorney in New York from January 2002 to December 2003.

He was then a US Deputy Attorney General under George Bush from December 2003 to August 2005.

In August 2005, James Comey QUIT government service and went to work in the private sector until September 2013, when he was appointed Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation by Barack Obama.

Again, from 2005 to 2013, James Comey was a private citizen.

Rod Blagojevich was impeached, convicted, removed from office in 2009.

2009.

His trial was in 2011, followed by appeals, and he went to jail in 2012.

James Comey was a Senior Vice President and General Counsel for Lockheed Martin in 2009.

And a Senior Research Scholar at Columbia in 2012.

And didn't return to government service until 2013.

But Trump seems to think that Comey somehow, someway, something something gazpacho and only Fox News knows what's really going on? I guess?

But seriously, who the heck has been sitting around for the last decade thinking that Rod Blagojevich got a raw deal?

But, it IS cool how the only democrat Trump can make a deal with is a convicted felon and corrupt piece of shit.


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Fortinbras wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:27 pm It may be significant that 'Blogo's' clemency was a commutation rather than a pardon. It means that the former Democratic governor gets out of prison but it does not restore his right to vote or his right to own a gun or some other rights and privileged.
Well, he’s a Demoncrat. Wouldn’t want the Red Hats to think a lib got completely away with it.


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When it comes to pardons, this has always seemed to me to be more or less ceremonial. I know that's not correct and it's in the Constitution, but I've never felt that a pardon really means much. It does to the individual pardoned, I'm sure, but you still did the crime; you still did the time.

Obviously Blog is happy to be out of prison, and I'm sure the family is happy to have him back, but a piece of paper from the president doesn't really change what he did. And he doesn't seem to have learned anything from his time in prison. He seems like the smug little creep he always was.

I know twitler is not going through proper channels with the Justice Department as other presidents have. There have been people who have and who do deserve pardons or commutations, but pardons have always seemed unimportant to me in the grand scheme of things. It's a quirky thing for me, like my disagreement with where the Midwest starts and forgetting that Russia is the largest country in Europe because I look at what's south of it. I know where the Midwest starts and I know Russia is the largest country in Europe. I just have this personal problem with both of them. It's the same way with pardons. :bag:


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AndyinPA wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:38 pm When it comes to pardons, this has always seemed to me to be more or less ceremonial.

Obviously Blog is happy to be out of prison, and I'm sure the family is happy to have him back, but a piece of paper from the president doesn't really change what he did. And he doesn't seem to have learned anything from his time in prison. He seems like the smug little creep he always was.
It is ceremonial, or was, but Individual-1 is using pardons to say supporters did nothing wrong, the opposite equivalent of firing the Vindmans in retaliation. He's rewarding people like him, the criminally corrupt.

His quotations about Milken, Blagojevich, et al., were revealing. They are all very fine people, really smart, did a lot of good, blah blah blah. Never thought I'd hear such blather about Milken especially.


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