Day 3 Videos FLORIDA v TRUSSELL 060816 - Incl Terry's Testimony, Jury Tampering, Hatcher, Harden, FDLE White, Linton

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Day 3 Videos FLORIDA v TRUSSELL 060816 - Incl Terry's Testimony, Jury Tampering, Hatcher, Harden, FDLE White, Linton

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Post by Orlylicious » Wed Jun 08, 2016 11:24 pm

To organize the events and comments from each amazing day, and since people are watching at different times, here's a separate topic. Thank you to RC, Turtle and Dr. Blue for the YouTubes! We're making indexes for each video, thank you Karen Walker :bighug: Message if you have more timecodes!

#7 State of FL v Terry Trussell - 060816 AM Session 1
In Chambers - Thank you Reality Check (RC)!

00:00:20 JH asks if IG has her evidence list. She has sorted two piles into three piles. JH says all he wants is the list. Can she have the list by 9? IG: Yes
00:01:00 SA Meggs shows a copy of the jury nullification booklet left on cars in the parking lot. Has some "bad stuff" in it. IG has never seen it. JH asks them what he should do? SA wants JH to ask if any juror has read it. IG wants a mistrial. JH says that's premature - denied. JH says the sheriff saw someone trying to hand out pamphlets and he said to stop them. JH says he will warn audience anyone caught doing this again will be held for contempt.
00:04:35 SA asks for the booklet to be added to the court record. JH orders mark as Court Exhibit 2.
00:07:30 JH wants to start court 10 minutes early. IG sighs and gives JH "that look". She needs to time to finish her exhibit list. JH says will stay with 9 AM
00:07:51 Adjourned (The video runs on another two minutes showing an empty room)
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#8 State of FL v Terry Trussell - 060816 AM Session 2
Judge admonishment to courtroom about Jury Tampering 0:00:45-0:01:40
Jury In
Judge talks about the Tampering with the Jury 0:02:25-0:05:30

IG Witness - Sheriff Dewey Hatcher
Direct: 0:06:00
"How do you know Terry Trussell?" "About 3-4 years ago he came by my office and introduced himself..." background 0:08:10-0:17:00
Sidebar
Cross 0:19:15-0:22:00

Major Scott Harden Direct (No cross) 0:22:10
Juror question answered about why the new statute was created (843.0855) -- Harden talks about SovCits, Sheriff's deputy in Leon County's home closing stopped by a bogus lien, etc. 0:44;30-0:50_45
Break

Donna K. Jones - Judge Cynthia Munkittrick's Assistant Direct (No Cross) 0:51:00-1:00:00
Agent Joshua Edward Quigley - FDLE Inspector, Protective Operations (Governor and First Family) Direct (No cross) 1:00:15-1:03:40

Agent Annie White - FDLE Special Agent Supervisor, Domestic Security, Mutual Aid, Intelligence, Special Operations and Joint Terrorism Task Force with the FBI
Direct: 1:03:50-1:32:45
Cross: 1:33:00
Discussion of the Illegal Meeting Recording 1:36:30
Redirect and Judge asked question 1:39:00-1:48:00

Agent Frank Linton, FDLE, Domestic Security Squad and part of Jacksonville's FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force Direct 1:48:00
Cross 1:59:00
Break
Kristie Johnson, Deputy Clerk of the Criminal Division, Dixie County Courthouse Direct 2:00:00
Cross 2:40:00
Redirect 2:49:00

Pizza for Lunch!
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#9 State of FL v Terry Trussell - 060816 PM Session 1
Madonna Roberts, SA JS's secretary
Direct: 00:01:35 - 00:21:06
Cross: 00:22:42 - 00:24:24
Redirect: 00:24:29 - 00:26:13

Terry Trussell :dance:
Direct: 00:27:00 - 03:02:54
Life: 00:27:00 - 00:56:00
:crying: Tears: 01:50:50 - 01:51:45
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#10 State of FL v Terry Trussell - 060816 PM Session 2
Terry Trussell :dance:
Cross: 00:01:00 -00:56:00
Redirect: 00:56:00 - 01:03:35
2 Juror Questions: 01:04:30 - 01:05:30
IG Followup: 01:05:35 - 01:09:26
State Followup: 01:09:26 - 01:10:00 (TT runs bus over Dowdell)

Robert McDonald - Attorney for FL Assoc of Court Clerks
Direct: 01:11:35 - 01:18:55
Sidebar called by judge
Cross: 01:19:40 - 01:21:40
No Redirect
Jury dismissed for day
Judge & Attorneys in session: 01:22:45 - 02:09:28
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First thoughts having watched the full morning sessions:

In addition to the insanity that obviously is the work of GimmyTruth (and I hope everyone up there is well aware of who's responsible), there were several places where it was very clear exactly what Terry Trussell did.

1:04:00 in is Annie White of the FDLE, she is really impressive, no nonsense, and it's a crime to be wasting her time. Inger seems to have no clue about how law enforcement works. In that process, it becomes clear someone recorded a meeting in violation of the law. Then Mr. Megg's cross, at 1:32:00 which was great. These are two pros that are dedicated to public safety and it's clear that they took Trussell seriously. White said Terry was planning to do other filings!

Orly Taitz, eat your heart out... 2:51:00 Kristi Johnson (related to Dana, they are married to two brothers) went from one side of the bench to the other, she was swearing people in and then she ended up in the box! The Judge swore her in. :P She didn't have to jump over like Orly :lol:

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Post by Mikedunford » Thu Jun 09, 2016 11:05 am

I'm watching Mr. Meggs' cross - I've skipped most of the rest of the testimony - and would love to hear what experienced trial lawyers have to say. My own inexperienced perspective is that there's at least one moment (I'm not done yet) where he got a very damaging admission from Trussell:

Starts at 18:14

Meggs: At any time - did at any time - 12 of the grand jurors at the times that they were - y'all were together, on August the 1st and August the 14th, did at any time 12 of the grand jurors even want to hear what you had to say?
Trussell: Mr. Meggs -
Garcia: -objection, calls for [inaudible]
Meggs: That is a simple question. Did any of the - did 12 of the grand jurors want to hear what you had to say?
Trussell: I didn't ask them.
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Post by Turtle » Thu Jun 09, 2016 11:21 am

PM session 1, prior to Terry's testimony, Garcia still had Siegmeister in the witness area. Judge asked if she still wanted to call him, Garcia says, "we can dismiss him today, but tomorrow..."

Judge: "if you want him to testify, it will be today"

Then Garcia said OK to dismiss him.

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Post by Turtle » Thu Jun 09, 2016 11:24 am

LOL 32:20 PM session 1, Terry is trying to tell the history of the Vietnam War and Megs finally objects. The judge tells Terry to respond to her question, then be quiet until she asks another question.

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Post by Reality Check » Thu Jun 09, 2016 11:25 am

I will post the links to the afternoon sessions here until Orlylicious has time to add them above.

PM Session 1
PM Session 2
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Post by GlimDropper » Thu Jun 09, 2016 11:29 am

Turtle wrote:LOL 32:20 PM session 1, Terry is trying to tell the history of the Vietnam War and Megs finally objects. The judge tells Terry to respond to her question, then be quiet until she asks another question.
An interesting point on Terry's war exploits, he likes to tell people he was in Psy Opps but here he relates that it was basically as a graphics artist and due to a pre deployment injury his total time in service was insufficient for him to be eligible for the GI Bill.

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Post by SueDB » Thu Jun 09, 2016 11:31 am

GlimDropper wrote:
Turtle wrote:LOL 32:20 PM session 1, Terry is trying to tell the history of the Vietnam War and Megs finally objects. The judge tells Terry to respond to her question, then be quiet until she asks another question.
An interesting point on Terry's war exploits, he likes to tell people he was in Psy Opps but here he relates that it was basically as a graphics artist and due to a pre deployment injury his total time in service was insufficient for him to be eligible for the GI Bill.
Which takes 180 days (6 months) of active federal service if active duty - I think someone is fibbing here.
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Post by Turtle » Thu Jun 09, 2016 11:40 am

Terry talking about how much he loves Dixie County. Points out his wife and daughter in the courtroom.

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Post by Mikedunford » Thu Jun 09, 2016 11:42 am

During cross-examination, Terry pulled off a very hard to stick combination - simultaneously evasive and arrogant.
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Post by Turtle » Thu Jun 09, 2016 11:48 am

Terry trying to conflate "tea party" with sovcit nuttery. This is for the benefit of the jury. Meggs has objected repeatedly to Terry giving a narrative instead of answering the question.

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Post by Dr. Blue » Thu Jun 09, 2016 11:55 am

Some interesting points in 6/8 PM session 2:

Trussell is really insistent on a bizarre viewpoint that he didn't think the statutory grand jury was ever convened, so he wasn't bound by secrecy of the grand jury or anything like that. Apparently the grand jury meeting on Aug 1 was just a bunch of people getting together and he didn't know who they were. Despite the fact that he complained about the actions of a juror (calling that person a "juror") and he declared the grand jury void (even though he didn't know that the grand jury actually met).

I think Meggs did a good job emphasizing that only the grand jury as a body has any authority, that Terry had no authority individually, and yet he acted individually as if he WERE the grand jury. I think Trussell comes across as a smug asshole who can't be a member of a jury body, but rather has to have everything his way. The little dictator....

Anyway, points of conflict/interest - Meggs gets a little flustered by Trussell's insistence that he can't recall the statutory grand jury meeting:

20:30 Meggs asks Trussell whether he has problems remembering what happened because of his age - that gets some reaction from the courtroom audience which annoys the judge

40:00 Meggs asks Trussell if he had an out of body experience, since he didn't seem to be aware of the grand jury meeting.

52:00 someone gets kicked out! No idea who it was...

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Post by Turtle » Thu Jun 09, 2016 12:11 pm

1h 05m PM session 1, Terry was describing the grand jury selection process, he motioned to the jury and said several times things like "I was out there waiting in the room, like you were.." After a few times, the judge stops him and calls sidebar, tells Terry not to do that anymore.

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Post by Karen Walker » Thu Jun 09, 2016 12:29 pm

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1:50:50 cue TT Constitooshanul Oaf tears...
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Post by Turtle » Thu Jun 09, 2016 12:32 pm

PM session 1, 1h 20m Terry talks about OAS. 1h 28m he gets to Common Core. Terry says he became a "lightning rod" for people's input.

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Post by Reality Check » Thu Jun 09, 2016 12:35 pm

Trussell is an arrogant prick who thinks he is being clever. I hope the jury can see through him. I spoke on the phone with Walter Fitzpatrick once and he reminds me of him. Both have some military background (Fitzt Fund Filcher has a lot more) and are arrogant pricks who think they are right while being dead wrong.
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Post by Turtle » Thu Jun 09, 2016 12:38 pm

PM Session 1, 1h 35m Meggs and the judge have had enough of it and tell them to get to the point.

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Post by Slim Cognito » Thu Jun 09, 2016 12:53 pm

I think (hope) TT comes to regret testifying. I've no doubt he insisted on it.
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Post by Dr. Blue » Thu Jun 09, 2016 1:00 pm

Thinking back on Meggs' cross of Trussell, I'm wondering why Meggs went as lightly as he did in some places. For example, when quizzing Trussell on what gave him the authority to either disqualify the grand jury or dismiss the judge, Trussell read some sections of the grand jury instructions that clearly did not grant that authority, either to him or to the grand jury as a whole.

For example, for the authority to dismiss the grand jury, he read the part about how he presides over the grand jury. But the Meggs just let it hang there at that. He didn't quiz Trussell on how he could interpret presiding over a body of jurors with the authority to decide who gets to be on that body. That seems like an obvious question to me, and shows Trussell's argument to be the sham that it is. So why wasn't he asked?

Similarly for the authority to dismiss the judge. On that one I'm not sure how anyone could rationally claim that the section he read from the jury instructions gives anyone on the grand jury (or the grand jury as a whole) any authority whatsoever over a judge - a pretty ridiculous claim. Why didn't Meggs press him on this?

It seems like if Trussell were forced to try to logically explain his interpretation, he would have fallen on his face for all to see. As it is, Meggs seemed to just leave it up to the jury to see the disconnect between Trussell's statements and the actual instructions. Maybe he'll pull it together in the closing?

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Post by Turtle » Thu Jun 09, 2016 1:18 pm

Dr. Blue wrote:Thinking back on Meggs' cross of Trussell, I'm wondering why Meggs went as lightly as he did in some places. For example, when quizzing Trussell on what gave him the authority to either disqualify the grand jury or dismiss the judge, Trussell read some sections of the grand jury instructions that clearly did not grant that authority, either to him or to the grand jury as a whole.

For example, for the authority to dismiss the grand jury, he read the part about how he presides over the grand jury. But the Meggs just let it hang there at that. He didn't quiz Trussell on how he could interpret presiding over a body of jurors with the authority to decide who gets to be on that body. That seems like an obvious question to me, and shows Trussell's argument to be the sham that it is. So why wasn't he asked?

Similarly for the authority to dismiss the judge. On that one I'm not sure how anyone could rationally claim that the section he read from the jury instructions gives anyone on the grand jury (or the grand jury as a whole) any authority whatsoever over a judge - a pretty ridiculous claim. Why didn't Meggs press him on this?

It seems like if Trussell were forced to try to logically explain his interpretation, he would have fallen on his face for all to see. As it is, Meggs seemed to just leave it up to the jury to see the disconnect between Trussell's statements and the actual instructions. Maybe he'll pull it together in the closing?

I'm at that part now. I think he's going to save that part for the closing, he wants that to be the last thing they hear from him before they go into deliberations.

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Post by realist » Thu Jun 09, 2016 1:20 pm

Slim Cognito wrote:I think (hope) TT comes to regret testifying. I've no doubt he insisted on it.
Based on the defense he had to present, there was no way for him not to testify.
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Post by Turtle » Thu Jun 09, 2016 1:23 pm

So far, I think if Terry did not testify he would have a much better shot at a hung jury/acquittal.

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Post by Turtle » Thu Jun 09, 2016 1:33 pm

17m 12s PM Session 2:

Meggs: You couldn't understand [what the grand jury does] from hearing the judge's instructions?
Terry: I understood the basic concept behind it...but these instructions are what, 10 pages long. I didn't have a firm grasp of how things operated.
Meggs: So you just declared the whole thing void? You dismissed it?
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Meggs: Did you dismiss them?
Terry: I did dismiss them. Yes.
Meggs: And where did you find that authority?
Terry: Sir... [flips through papers]
Meggs: Because you presided over them?
Terry: That's correct!

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Post by Mikedunford » Thu Jun 09, 2016 1:36 pm

Turtle wrote:So far, I think if Terry did not testify he would have a much better shot at a hung jury/acquittal.
I agree. He managed to come off as both incredibly arrogant and yet simultaneously as attempting to evade taking full responsibility for his actions.
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Post by Karen Walker » Thu Jun 09, 2016 1:41 pm

2:45'ish TT begins to throw his BFFs Smith & Dowdell (sp?) under the bus.

TT assumes FDLE are recording (they didn't), starts to say that he knew his buddies had phones/recording devices but stops short & changes his response to "well I don't know".

TT *claims Smith & Dowdell wrote the True Bills. *I may not be recalling this exactly. I'd have to go back & find it again to know if he for sure named them directly as the authors, if he implied it or if I inferred it. (Sloppy on my part :oops:)

However... TT claims he'd never heard of it but makes it absolutely clear Hagen Smith knew about the statute that makes what they/he did criminal.
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Post by mimi » Thu Jun 09, 2016 1:42 pm

Thanks for putting these on YouTube! And a big thank you to whoever thought it was a good idea for Trussell to testify!

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