Maybenaut wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:18 pmCan you say, with absolute certainty, that the Bundys were not related in any way to the people they bought the land from?NMgirl wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:39 amThe specific instance we are talking about here are Whipple's statement(s) about the history of Bundy Ranch. Those statements, presented to the jury, are demonstrably, indisputably, false. The Bundys bought the land in 1947, not 1877. That is just one example of Whipple's mischaracterization, to put it politely, of the history of the Bundys in Bunkerville.Maybenaut wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:29 am
Well, it is not acceptable to lie in court. A lawyer has a duty of “candor to the tribunal.”
But when the facts are subject to interpretation, then it’s probably not a lie. For example, if the government seeks to prove that the defendant intended X, and the lawyer gets up and says no, the defendant intended Y, that’s not a lie, I don’t think.
If I am not mistaken, Bundy has already admitted in his public statements that the people who owned the property and sold it to his parents in the 1946-47 time frame were NOT relatives or family friends.
And let us say that the point is not even worth making an argument. Right to use the water on the land doesn't mean right to use land at will to which the title is vested in another -- namely, the citizens of the United States -- without whatever compensation or conditions are required to use it. The landowner has full discretion to allow or prohibit use.
Seems to me that the best argument to make is: he paid for his use of our land for twenty years without complaint or objection. We (collectively and though an agent) decided the land would not support our other property -- wildlife -- with as many cattle on it as he had been running. Cut the herd running on our property and pay the bill for those which are permitted to remain.
Bundy doesn't get to tell us how to use our land.
To me, this is not a complicated case: tenant has a hissy fit at landlord's agents when presented with new lease terms and threatens to murder landlord's agents.