Bundy Ranch Trial #2--The Big One: Cliven, Ammon, cRyan, Ryan Payne, Pete Santilli

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Post by Northland10 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:16 am

neeneko wrote:
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Knowing Ryan he'll do something dumb and end up back in prison.
While the judge is probably too much of a professional for such a trick, I am kinda hoping they are doing the 'rope enough to hang yourself', letting out someone likely to pull something but not high up enough the chain to potentially get people killed.
This does physically separate him from Ammon and may reduce any whining he might have about jail conditions.
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Post by NMgirl » Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:29 am

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On the morning of #Bundytrial opening statements, Ryan Bundy, now in a halfway house, arrives to court in a white limousine after spending 600+ days behind bars.
So happy to see that grifted Pootbucks are being spent so wisely.

Edited to add Lambo's video of Ryan's triumphal return to the courthouse.


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Post by Suranis » Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:43 am

Nice to see he is giving that sought after JR Ewing impression. That will go over well.
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Post by NMgirl » Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:47 am

Suranis wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:43 am
Nice to see he is giving that sought after JR Ewing impression. That will go over well.
Poots apparently didn't spring for a white suit to match the limo. Really, Poots have no fashion sense at all. And where's the string tie? Andrea Parker needs to return to Las Vegas and give some Poot tips on accessorizing.

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Post by Suranis » Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:53 am

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Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:47 am
Poots apparently didn't spring for a white suit to match the limo. Really, Poots have no fashion sense at all. And where's the string tie? Andrea Parker needs to return to Las Vegas and give some Poot tips on accessorizing.
You saying he should have upgraded to Boss Hogg?

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Post by DejaMoo » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:16 pm

Craig Fiegener‏ @CraigNews3LV

Bundy-related defendant Micah McGuire enters guilty plea on charge of conspiracy to impede federal officers. He is being released from custody until sentencing on Feb. 16, 2018. He admitted to being part of a “security detail” for Cliven Bundy. #BundyTrial

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Post by NMgirl » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:39 pm

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#Breaking: opening statements were set to begin, but prosecutors asking for continuance, defense attorney asking for mistrial #BundyTrial

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Post by June bug » Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:54 pm

These people are going to get off again...then they'll keep right on fomenting sedition. And I'm not at all sure they won't win.

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#Breaking: judge decided to move forward w/ opening statements. Jury instructions done.Acting US attorney speaking now

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Post by Cato2 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:05 pm

Who in the world would shake hands with a person who killed his own father with a hammer? smh
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Post by NMgirl » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:12 pm

Maxine Bernstein. Bottom to top
Prosecutor Myhre says Cliven Bundy 'raised a small army of militia' to stop BLM from taking his cows trespassing on public land

Cliven Bundy 'unleashed the forces he had gathered' to block BLM convoys that moved in to round up his cattle, Myhre told jurors

Prosecutor Steve Myhre in openings:'This case is not about protesting. This case is about instilling fear through the use of violence.'
Edit: Adding more Max goodness:
Prosecutor showed pix of Cliven Bundy sister Margaret Houston taken to ground* 'for her own safety' after stepping in front of cattle convoy

Payne's action alert said Cliven Bundy's son was arrested, 'the snipers on the surrounding

Prosecutor shows 4/7/14 action alert Payne put out as cofounder of Operation Mutual Aid, saying a man and his family were surrounded

Mhyre argued the Bundys and Payne put out 'false messaging' to attract militia to thwart BLM operation

Mhyre stressed the BLM impound operation, with federal security, was a 'perfectly legitimate law enforcement operation.'

Myhre showed images Bundys put out w/ words 'Stolen Cattle for Sale' and 'Shame on You' w/ pix of Utah auction site for impounded cattle

Judge asked Cliven Bundy if he supported a 1-week delay or not and he replied,'Let's get it done!'

Ryan Bundy showed up to court in a white limo from 1/2way house, wearing black suit and white cowboy hat, clasping a laptop

Ryan Bundy said he opposed a trial delay unless his codefendants were released from custody


Ryan Payne and Ammon Bundy's lawyers instead asked for a mistrial , instead of a delay to obtain the FBI emails

Myhre told court earlier:'The theory of defendants is now becoming apparent to the government.'

Prosecutors initially had asked this am for a 1-week trial continuance to search & review requested FBI emails from 3/1/2014-4/30/14

Myhre of law enforcement: 'These officers have every right to protect themselves and those they're guarding.'

Prosecutor showed jurors TV broadcast photos of armed militia taking up spots on I-15 during the impound operation

Myhre told jurors 2x so far: 'These lands belong to everybody.' He went thru 3 fed court orders issued to allow BLM to remove Bundy cattle
*The Margaret Houston evidence was not allowed to be presented by the defense in earlier trials. Interesting. Government preempting defense?

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Post by neeneko » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:29 pm

June bug wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:54 pm
These people are going to get off again...then they'll keep right on fomenting sedition. And I'm not at all sure they won't win.
They will probably go on fomenting sedition till they get that waco they are hoping for, then discover it isn't as romantic as they picture nor does it result in the popular uprising they hope.

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Post by realist » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:36 pm

Sorry if this is a duplicate posting. Ryan and Shawna Cox (and perhaps others) arriving at court in stretch limo.

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Post by NMgirl » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:42 pm

Leah:
Before opening statements began, the govt made an attempt to delay for another week. The defense said they disagreed with delay, asked for a mistrial. Payne and Ryan Bundy agreed. Judge asked Cliven what he thought: "let's get it done," the man responded.

The jury is predominantly people of color. Nine women and eight men seated.

There are literally pages of witnesses who may be called (including many Fox News anchors), which means many of the Bundys most prominent supporters and family members cannot be in the courtroom.

As government presents it's opening statements, a female juror in the front row has her eyes closed. Maybe sleeping, not sure.*

Opening statements for #bundytrial began: govt is carefully walking through 20 years of interaction between Cliven Bundy and BLM over illegal grazing, saying "this is not a case about messaging...it's about the means that they used: the use of guns, the use of violence"
*Problem in retrial as well.

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Post by NMgirl » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:58 pm

Tay Wiles, High Country News:

Prosecutor Myrhe began w/ a brief explanation of the purpose of the justice system and later explained the general mission of the BLM - presumably trying to get jurors on the same page and explain what may otherwise be monolithic, unknown institutions. #Bundytrial

Prosecutor also described in opening statement an “escalation” of aggression and “false messaging” the Bundy’s and their supporters put out on social media during the 2014 cattle impoundment. #Bundytrial

US attorneys office has begun opening statements this morning, explaining the series of court orders Cliven Bundy refused to follow over many years, regarding his cattle illegally grazing.

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Post by NMgirl » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:13 pm

If you are on FB, Klueless Kel is reporting on this morning's courtroom events. I can't link because I'm not on FB.

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Post by scirreeve » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:17 pm

NMgirl wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:13 pm
If you are on FB, Klueless Kel is reporting on this morning's courtroom events. I can't link because I'm not on FB.
She has made 2 posts so far.
Opening statements began despite prosecutions attempt to delay trial again.. Myhre is an hour in to his false narrative now. Micah’s change of plea was difficult for spectators to hear because everyone knows there was no conspiracy and he only came to Bunkerville to defend and protect, he was released already and his family was there to take him home. Ryan Bundy spoke to the court regarding pre trial release stating that it’s unfathomable that those who plead guilty to committing a crime are released while those who maintain their innocence are locked away like criminals for 22 months. Court room is packed. Ammon Bundys opening statements are being reserved until after the prosecution presents its entire case but the other three will begin their statements today.
When the prosecution asked for a one week delay the judge turned to the defense for their thoughts. Ryan Bundy said he agreed only if his co defendants were released from custody. Cliven responded, “Let’s just get it done!” These men want their day In Court, they care about each other and want the Bill of rights upheld! Not your average terrorists, are there?

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Post by pipistrelle » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:16 pm

scirreeve wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:17 pm
NMgirl wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:13 pm
If you are on FB, Klueless Kel is reporting on this morning's courtroom events. I can't link because I'm not on FB.
She has made 2 posts so far.
Opening statements began despite prosecutions attempt to delay trial again.. Myhre is an hour in to his false narrative now. Micah’s change of plea was difficult for spectators to hear because everyone knows there was no conspiracy and he only came to Bunkerville to defend and protect, he was released already and his family was there to take him home. Ryan Bundy spoke to the court regarding pre trial release stating that it’s unfathomable that those who plead guilty to committing a crime are released while those who maintain their innocence are locked away like criminals for 22 months. Court room is packed. Ammon Bundys opening statements are being reserved until after the prosecution presents its entire case but the other three will begin their statements today.
When the prosecution asked for a one week delay the judge turned to the defense for their thoughts. Ryan Bundy said he agreed only if his co defendants were released from custody. Cliven responded, “Let’s just get it done!” These men want their day In Court, they care about each other and want the Bill of rights upheld! Not your average terrorists, are there?
She admits they’re terrorists, if below average. :-)

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Post by DejaMoo » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:41 pm

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Lets put it this way — if there was a test given to #bundytrial jurors on what Myhre's opening statement for the prosecution was all about, one lady on the jury would fail because she slept through almost all of it. Court staff got up out of his seat to tap her awake. She smirked

Myhre was very careful to explain to the jury what conspiracy means, and then concluded his opening: "are we going to be governed by the rule of law and order, or the end of a gun?"

One last thing before I get really sweaty walking back to the courthouse: Myhre also asserted that the Bundys were not only committing conspiracy in 2014, but they gathered violent forces and knowingly put vulnerable unarmed people in harm's way to further their cause.

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Post by RVInit » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:06 pm

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That juror reminds me of Juror number four in Casey Anthony's case. She spent the entire government opening statement with her arms crossed, her feet propped up on the seats in front of her. She never took one note during the entire prosecution case. But you would have thought she was the fucken court reporter when the defense was up. She wrote down Every. Damn. Word. She was the one who originally said she couldn't find Anthony guilty because only God can judge. The judge spent 30 minutes trying to explain to her that the jury wasn't judging her soul. The juror finally relented and grudgingly admitted she could find guilty on man's law. Then proceeded to completely ignore every bit of evidence against Anthony.

I am still angry at the judge over that one. That juror should never have been seated. You can't overcome someone's deep seated religious beliefs with a half hour of logical reasoning. She wasn't the only problem on the jury, but even if she had been the only one, it would have been enough to prevent conviction.
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Post by NMgirl » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:22 pm

More Max:
Defense starts at 1:30 pm

Micah McGuire pleaded guilty to conspiracy in the Bunkerville case as Ryan Bundy looked on from seat in the public gallery b/f trial began
[More on McGuire on Trial 3 thread]

Myhre:'Nobody wanted to die or have a drop of blood spilled over cattle.' #Bundytrial

Law enforcement abandoned post,released cattle b/c faced w/Bundy supporters,militia with AR15s, other rifles drawn (including 40 on horses)

Myhre: BLM backed away to avoid bloodshed but never intended to release the cattle already impounded , Myhre said

Myhre: Case is about 'whether you're gong to use force and violence to enforce your beliefs'

Prosecutor told jurors case is not about the 2nd Amend, not about cattle or ranchers or beliefs about federal land control

Nearly 2 hrs into prosecutor 's opening statement, court clerk walked over to a woman juror and nudged her awake #bundytrial

Myhre:'Cliven Bundy & codefendants got what they wanted that day - they got it at the end of a gun, and broke the law doing it.'

Prosecutor completed 2 hrs of opening statements asking jurors if we're going to be governed by law & order or the end of a gun ?

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Post by maydijo » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:27 pm

Well, clearly I'm biased, but it sounds like they're headed in the right direction and saying all the right things. I'm not sure claiming they moved Margaret Houston to the ground to save her will play well with the jury; but at least they got out in front of that one. (Not that I'm sympathetic to her; you point guns at law enforcement, you get what's coming, and the way the Bundys purposefully put women and children out front to act as human shields is disgusting.)

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Post by NMgirl » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:31 pm

maydijo wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:27 pm
Well, clearly I'm biased, but it sounds like they're headed in the right direction and saying all the right things. I'm not sure claiming they moved Margaret Houston to the ground to save her will play well with the jury; but at least they got out in front of that one. (Not that I'm sympathetic to her; you point guns at law enforcement, you get what's coming, and the way the Bundys purposefully put women and children out front to act as human shields is disgusting.)
Agree. It sounds like the prosecution is going for the guts of the case, instead of obliquely hinting that the Bundy Ranch standoff was illegal, as they did, so far as I am concerned, in all previous trials.

Another, no doubt totally crapticious, video from Lambo, about this mornings proceedings. I'm not going to watch it.


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Post by NMgirl » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:35 pm

Scott:
Myhre gave good lengthy tick tock of bunkerville history. A bit long for some but thought it was pretty solid. #bundycourtsketch #Bundytrial

The #Bundytrial is off and rolling: Ryan shows up to court in a stretch limo, Call for mistrial before the trial start fails, someone gets tossed before opening arg even started, juror in front row may be falling asleep.
Edit: Edited to add that the guy who got tossed is Vince Weasel, or whatever his name is--the guy who did the appalling video posted on the Trial 3 thread. He's a witness.

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Post by NMgirl » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:47 pm

@CraigNews3LV
2h2 hours ago

Ryan Bundy, free from federal custody, is having lunch in the courthouse cafe. He’ll present his opening statement to the jury after the break.

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