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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:14 pm

Yabbut does he even deserve his own mention in the thread title?

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Post by Azastan » Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:31 pm

Sterngard Friegen wrote:Yabbut does he even deserve his own mention in the thread title?
Well, it does help us remember that he's still out there. Perhaps he can stay in the thread title until he's found guilty*?

*I am optimistic!

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Post by pipistrelle » Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:56 am

NMgirl wrote:Lacovara is on the right. The gentleman on the left remains unidentified.

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What fine godly men we have there. So if this guy had gone off and killed some police, Ammon would have claimed not to know him, either?

This is the first time I'm hearing about him. Wonder how he stayed out of the limelight.

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Post by Notorial Dissent » Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:20 am

Liars lie, this isn't a new phenomenon.
The fact that you sincerely and wholeheartedly believe that the “Law of Gravity” is unconstitutional and a violation of your sovereign rights, does not absolve you of adherence to it.

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Post by Kendra » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:15 am

Because KrisAnne Hall says so, it must be true.
The defendants were found guilty of the charges of Conspiracy. As a former prosecutor I can give a bit of insight on the charge of Conspiracy...
When a prosecutor charges a defendant with Conspiracy to a crime, what they are really saying is:
"I don't have enough evidence to prove the commission of a real crime beyond a reasonable doubt, so I am going to make sure the jury finds the defendant guilty of a crime I have created in my head."
Reputable prosecutors don't charge Conspiracy. That is left to those who are just looking for a win. These government attorneys have crossed the line from being prosecutors to become persecutors. They have risen to the level of tyrants.
Conspiracy charges prove their only concern was to get a guilty verdict on anything possible just to prove a point and deprive these people of their Liberty.
In light of my statements above, maybe it was a good thing that the defense attorneys in these trials decided to not call me as a witness. But, it would have been great to have had the opportunity to speak freely in that courtroom.
Now President Donald J. Trump needs to issue a full pardon.
P.S. these federal prosecutors were not going to take any chances of suffering the humiliation handed to the feds in the last trial, so they resorted to the tactics of weak attorneys and cowards. This is a very sad indictment on the personal character of these federal attorneys. I wonder how they sleep at night. They had better pray their loved ones don't fall under the thumb of people like themselves.
ETA: I love this comment:
I know I am jumping in here late but all I can think about is how can we get Trump's attention to listen to KrisAnne. If he doesn't know that he doesn't know then how will he know? Education is the answer...If I knew where to send Sovereign Duty so it would get to Trump, I would ask every one to join with me and buy the book is on sale (2 for one) and send both...that could be 100's filtering in every few days! He might the hint...I am up for $30+ to do it...talking to each other is great but doing something is better.. LET ME KNOW
That'll fix things :lol:

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Post by SparklyFlitter » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:29 am

pipistrelle wrote:
NMgirl wrote:Lacovara is on the right. The gentleman on the left remains unidentified.

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What fine godly men we have there. So if this guy had gone off and killed some police, Ammon would have claimed not to know him, either?

This is the first time I'm hearing about him. Wonder how he stayed out of the limelight.
From what I can tell, he was only at the refuge for a couple of days before MD Laughter did a check on him, found he was a felon, and dumped his ass in town. According to her he was completely unstable, and once she dropped him at the motel, she turned him into the FBI, who came and scooped him up immediately.

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Post by Grumpy Old Guy » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:48 am

He has a youtube channel, which I am sure the prosecutors have found.

Watch his hands in the Secret Constitution video.

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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:02 am

Having KrisAnne Hall explain anything about the law is like having my dog explain quantum thermodynamics. It's beyond their abilities. In my dog's case, his brain was never large enough. In Hall's case the brain damage came late.

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Post by Dolly » Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:28 am

I found some links about Lacovara in my notes. These are in no particular date order. Some of what I am posting is a combination of the post text and the comments.

CRAP. Chastity recently turned over "The Oath with Chastity" to some other Admins and they changed the name.
Now older posts are not showing up. (Name change? They deleted it? It was posted by Laz and I am blocked?) Sorry, I didn't archive all of them.
The Oath
MD Laughter statement on the removal of Lacovara from MWR: LACOVARA – LOOSE CANNON???????? 12/29/2016
In January 2016, Thomas Lacovara hitchhiked to the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon with Barbara Berg. They drove up from Texas where Barb had been working. Lacovara was toting weapons that did not belong to him and was handling them recklessly. He kept dropping one pistol repeatedly. Barbara finally had to tell him to put it away somewhere else, because she was afraid it was going to go off.
<BIG SNIP - read the rest at the ARCHIVE LINK>


https://archive.is/3i38p
comment on another post.
MD Laughter Lacovara IS a felon, he WAS in possession of several guns, and I PERSONALLY removed his sorry carcass from the refuge, dumped his slovenly ass at a motel and reported him. ????
Since I have been blocked from Laz's facebook, I can't see his posts so I don't know what comments have been deleted. I think Barbara deleted some of hers on this Laz post. The same post showed up on "Lacovara-Stewart" page but I can't see it due to the block. I don't find a link for it in my notes but it should be the same date as the post below. There may be other comments there.
Lazaro Ecenarro
GM Patriots,
Unfortunately, it's come to my undivided attention, that Thomas Robert Lacovara-Stewart common law wife Laurie Ann is in NJ and currrently going through financial hardship. While Lacovara is unlawfully arrested in NJ, because of the Oregon De-Fecto government, allege gun charge from the MWR (Malheur Wildlife Refuge).
NOTE: During the 1st trial, it came to light, the the federal government and their informants planted guns and ammo at the MWR. In addition, were teaching how to shoot different types of guns.
For the reasons mentioned above and others, I'm hoping we can support them...
Respectfully,
Lazaro Ecenarro
Please donate to PayPal account tomlacovara @gmail.com.

read the comments:
Barbara Berg He was escorted off the refuge, for his bad behavior. Then while in Burns was beat up twice for bad behavior. Also kicked off Bundy ranch in 2014. You all are being conned out of your money just like I was..... I feel bad for Lori but she also condones all his lies, I spent $1500.00 easy on him all based on lies, I drove him to Burns Oregon & yes after 3 days in my car with that lazy fat ass I can tell you those are NOT BOGUS CHARGES!

Lazaro Ecenarro Barbara Berg
Are you saying; that you have pictures of Lacavora having gun while st the MWR ?
But most of all, will you be testifying on behalf of the de facto government, regarding the charges against Lacavora ?
In addition, did you meet Lacavora in Texas and drive to Burns ?

Barbara Berg You really think I'm going to say any more here? I'm trying to warn people there's real patriots sitting in jail & facing bogus charges & TL isn't one of them
Lazaro Ecenarro
Good Evening Patriots,
It's come to my attention this evening, that the "De-Facto" federal government in Oregon, fabricated gun charges against Mr. Thomas Robert Lacavara Stewart from "RESTORE THE REPUBLIC" at the Malheur Refuge Wildlife. In which, he is unlawfully detained in N.J. and awaiting transfer to Portland.
I strongly believe, these trump charges by the federal "De-Facto" government, is to prevent Mr. Lacavara-Steward from testifying on behalf of Blaine Cooper in Nevada. Nonetheless, we will prevail.
God Bless our Republic.
Lazaro Ecenarro shared Karl P. Koenigs's post.

Karl P. Koenigs
December 15 at 6:58pm ·
Okay, here is the scoop on Thomas Robert Lacovara-Stewart:
<BIG SNIP - I can't see Laz's post - this should be on Koenig's page>
same as above on Koenig's page:
Karl P. Koenigs
December 15, 2016 ·
Okay, here is the scoop on Thomas Robert Lacovara-Stewart:
1arrested for felon in possession from oregon hotel room rented i believe by lavoy
2warrant issued in oct of 2016
3 fbi arresting agency <BIG SNIP>
I don't often go to Koenig's page. Too much of the same yammering about how everything is unconstitutional due to the Ninth and TENTH Amendments.

Thomas Lacovara-Stewart (Resurrect the Republic)
https://www.facebook.com/RTRTruthMedia1776
Marie Cogdill
February 22 at 12:22am ·
I have messaged the number of Rod Classto Thomas Lacovara-Stewart's wife, asking her to call him. Now what needs to happen is for funds to be gathered so that prayerfully Rod Class will answer the call to assist Thomas, and funds enough will be there to provide for the trip. Please, I ask that everyone create their own messages to put the call for funds forth and be sure to tag lots of his/your friends. Again all funds to go to his pay pal at tomlacovara@gmail.com
Thank you everyone. <SNIP>
Thomas Lacovara-Stewart
September 21, 2016 · Ocala, FL ·
This individual has lied about me, and outed herself as a Federal informant, and admitted to attempting to set me up........ beware. https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id ... 90&fref=ts
MD Laughter is Brian cavalier, AKA Booda's girlfriend of the Bundy Ranch who has been outed by Blaine Cooper as having provided information to the Federal Government against those who attended the Sugar Pine Mine...... I waited a long time to disclose some facts that caused her to pounce and say too much. Rather than provide evidence of her claims against me, she ran like the coward she and her boyfriend, if he ever was , are. FYI
Thomas Robert Lacovara-Stewart
This is Laurie at court house now waiting on everyone prayers requested and thank you all for your prayers
Thomas Robert Lacovara-Stewart Thomas is being sent to Oregon bail denied here I am told another hearing in OR I will be on the show with Lorri Anderson tonight
Michael W Doyle I guess pete santilli sold you down the river so he could get released.
Robin Pulini His last name is not Stewart really it's Lacovara. I am his aunt and my maiden name is Stewart. He is denying his real heritage.?
Lazaro Ecenarro If possible, can someone please elaborate on the charges ??? ????????????
Shelle Montana Felony possesion of a firearm. Bullshit charge...
Lazaro Ecenarro I would NOT me surprise, if this CORRUPT federal government fabricate charges against Mr Lacavara-Steward ? ??
Shelle Montana It is from Oregon.
Lazaro Ecenarro I strongly believe; The Oregon Federal "De-Facto" government is working with Nevada, to prevent Mr. Lacavara-Steward from testifying on behalf of Mr. Cooper. ??
<snip>
Thomas Lacovara-Stewart with Angie Huntington Bundy and 48 others.
February 3 ·
Summarized conversation with Thomas from Jail in Eugene Oregon.
Many people are misunderstanding who I am and what I've been wrongfully charged with. Let me make this simple: I went to the refuge to stand for the Hammonds and report what was going on. When some inappropriate moves were made by some of the occupiers, I spoke up and called the actions out as wrong and a mockery of what respectable men should participate in. At that point, The person there to inform on me (MD Laughter aka Melissa Laughter) made a scene and said I had to leave. After much hostility on all sides, I chose to head out and let the dust settled. That was on 1/25. The day before Lavoy was murdered. The next thing I know, almost a year later, my home is being raided and I'm arrested and indicted for allegedly having a weapon while in Burns. My informant (MD laughter) is planning to testify that she saw me with it. I have a couple old felonies on my record, the worst of which is for stealing items off a JC Penny truck. No crimes of violence. So because of me being a "Felon" the government says I lost my 2nd Amendment right to bear arms. I was sent to a federal jail in Nevada and then finally ended here in Eugene where I'll stay until my trial, which is tentatively set for April 2017. In Nevada I was so thankful to see Ammon and we had a few weeks to pray and encourage one another. I now sit in solitary confinement 22 hours of every day. Life is very difficult but I'm not losing hope in my savior to hear my pleas for help.
This is truly crazy to be facing this in America. No one was harmed. No gun was pointed at anyone. And of all the people who came and went from the refuge were heavily armed, here I sit in Jail facing a possible 10 year sentence. Is it because Im a media outlet? Is this much of the same reason Santilli sits in a federal jail in Nevada? Will you please not listen to the lies from Md Laughter and her followers and will you realize Im a political prisoner just like the rest of them? I have never been a threat or harm to anyone and now I sit in a jail cell across the country from my wife all because I crossed an informant who was out for blood and "says" I had a gun at some point of the time I was in Burns. Whether I had one or not is of no consequence since no weapons were used for harm and the rest will be revealed as my case unfolds.
Please. For my family's sake, stand with us and help me beat these charges! Who goes to jail for allegedly having a gun with only eye witness reports from informants? Everyone was armed at the refuge! This is America and being armed is not uncommon.
Please stand with my family as I went to the refuge to stand for yours. At this time I have little support and would love to get letters from those who have something encouraging to share with me. I would write back to anyone who is able to apply any funds on my commissary since at this time I have nothing so postage is a barrier.
I look forward to a recording being posted shortly that will help you understand more about who I am and what I stand for.
Fight for your God given freedoms. Because no one else will fight for them in your place.
For mail or commissary: <SNIP>

Thomas Lacovara-Stewart
December 9, 2016 ·
Thomas was arrested in New Jersey on charges stemming from Oregon. Hearing on Monday. To contribute to his defense paypal is on http://www.ressurecttherepublic.com or rtrtruthmedia.com. Tomlacovara@gmail.com Prayers are needed
RESPONSE to MD LAUGHTER / LIAR SNITCH / & THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS RACISM - IT'S MARXISM
RTR TRUTH MEDIA™ Tom Lacovara Stewart
Published on Sep 21, 2016
My response to a character attack on myself on behalf of Brian Cavaliers informant girlfriend, who was part of attempting to set me up in Oregon. She revealed herself and spread massive lies and disinformation that she offered no evidence for, and blocked me rather than face the challenge. She admitted knowledge regarding a call to the FBI reporting me as dangerous and in alleged possession of firearms she delivered to the room that I was dropped off in to use internet. This came in after Blaine Cooper reported from jail that Cavalier informed on many Patriots. It all makes sense now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apVZpoQmELg
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Post by Kendra » Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:52 am

@Dolly. Just read that archived comment from MDL.
I brought the matter to the attention of Ammon and Ryan again. They wanted him to stay, even after I informed them that he was a confirmed felon out of Florida and self-admittedly was carrying firearms that did not belong to him. I verified the information myself.

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Post by bob » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:18 pm

KrisAnne Hall wrote:As a former prosecutor I can give a bit of insight on the charge of Conspiracy...
When a prosecutor charges a defendant with Conspiracy to a crime, what they are really saying is:
"I don't have enough evidence to prove the commission of a real crime beyond a reasonable doubt, so I am going to make sure the jury finds the defendant guilty of a crime I have created in my head."
Reputable prosecutors don't charge Conspiracy.
I wonder how many Florida prisoners are going to cite Hall in a habeas corpus petition.
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Post by NMgirl » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:51 pm

Excellent intel gathering on Lacovara, Dolly! Thanks. :thumbs:

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Post by NMgirl » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:59 pm

All the topics on The Fogbow seem to be converging.... :smoking:

From Right Wing Watch:
Klayman Oath Keeper: Homeland Security Behind Boston Bombing
pcm-4By Peter Montgomery | November 26, 2013 12:49 pm

Larry Klayman’seffort to launch a Second American Revolution is fueled by all kinds of conspiracy theories, in addition to some reality-based concerns like the extent of the NSA’s electronic snooping. At Klayman’s rally last week, the now-expected invocations of tyranny and gun control fascism appeared alongside more esoteric theories, such as one about American sovereignty having been destroyed by an act of Congress in 1871 that changed “The Constitution for the United States of America” to “THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES,” and in the process turned the U.S. from a country to a corporation in the service of nefarious bankers. :snippity:

One speaker topped the conspiracy theory charts. Thomas Robert Lacovara-Stewart, an Oath Keeper who set his theatrical speech against a backdrop of patriotic music, said that the Department of Homeland Security “blew up Boston” and committed murder to hide it.

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Post by Kendra » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:16 pm

Today at noon was the deadline for defense attorneys to file whatever it is lawyers call it in response to the misdemeanor cases. Max @ OLive has had her Twitter account hacked, but she's putting up stuff on her FB page. Only links to filings from Jake Ryan's attorney and Ehmer's. https://www.facebook.com/maxoregonian/?fref=ts

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Post by Whip » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:20 pm

Kendra wrote:Because KrisAnne Hall says so, it must be true.
The defendants were found guilty of the charges of Conspiracy. As a former prosecutor I can give a bit of insight on the charge of Conspiracy...
When a prosecutor charges a defendant with Conspiracy to a crime, what they are really saying is:
"I don't have enough evidence to prove the commission of a real crime beyond a reasonable doubt, so I am going to make sure the jury finds the defendant guilty of a crime I have created in my head."
Reputable prosecutors don't charge Conspiracy. That is left to those who are just looking for a win. These government attorneys have crossed the line from being prosecutors to become persecutors. They have risen to the level of tyrants.
Conspiracy charges prove their only concern was to get a guilty verdict on anything possible just to prove a point and deprive these people of their Liberty.
In light of my statements above, maybe it was a good thing that the defense attorneys in these trials decided to not call me as a witness. But, it would have been great to have had the opportunity to speak freely in that courtroom.
Now President Donald J. Trump needs to issue a full pardon.
P.S. these federal prosecutors were not going to take any chances of suffering the humiliation handed to the feds in the last trial, so they resorted to the tactics of weak attorneys and cowards. This is a very sad indictment on the personal character of these federal attorneys. I wonder how they sleep at night. They had better pray their loved ones don't fall under the thumb of people like themselves.
ETA: I love this comment:
I know I am jumping in here late but all I can think about is how can we get Trump's attention to listen to KrisAnne. If he doesn't know that he doesn't know then how will he know? Education is the answer...If I knew where to send Sovereign Duty so it would get to Trump, I would ask every one to join with me and buy the book is on sale (2 for one) and send both...that could be 100's filtering in every few days! He might the hint...I am up for $30+ to do it...talking to each other is great but doing something is better.. LET ME KNOW


That'll fix things :lol:
ah....she's butthurt again she wasn't called for attention as a witness.

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Post by Whip » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:24 pm

Kendra wrote:@Dolly. Just read that archived comment from MDL.
I brought the matter to the attention of Ammon and Ryan again. They wanted him to stay, even after I informed them that he was a confirmed felon out of Florida and self-admittedly was carrying firearms that did not belong to him. I verified the information myself.

why would they want him to leave? They'd have to kick out all the others too.

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Post by Kendra » Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:41 am

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-stando ... x_targeted_
U.S. District Judge Anna J. Brown often warned defendants, defense lawyers and spectators that she wouldn't tolerate outbursts or laughter in the courtroom during the conspiracy trials against the occupiers of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.

One man, often hunched over a small pad of paper and scribbling with a pencil in the back row, paid close attention to fill the void.

Scott Klatt would take notes on the witnesses or exchanges in court, quickly draw a brief scene, add a caption and some dialogue. Then he'd post his "Bundy Court Sketches'' on Twitter and Facebook, providing plenty of laughs long after court recessed.

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Q&A with Jason Patrick and Darryl Thorn. Gets very choppy at the end, but I think Thorn was saying how great Trump is.

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Kendra wrote:I think Thorn was saying how great Trump is.
Lookin' to work that pardon magic, eh? :sick:

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June bug wrote:
Kendra wrote:I think Thorn was saying how great Trump is.
Lookin' to work that pardon magic, eh? :sick:
Fools.

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Post by Techno Luddite » Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:54 pm

Whip wrote:
Kendra wrote:Because KrisAnne Hall says so, it must be true.

That'll fix things :lol:
ah....she's butthurt again she wasn't called for attention as a witness.
I find interesting KrisAnne's comment that "real" prosecutors don't charge defendants with "conspiracy." Since when? Admittedly I am not a criminal lawyer, but it seems to me that if you have an err, well, CONSPIRACY, as in several folks get together and plan to do something illegal, it is perfectly appropriate to charge that. And it isn't easy to prove, as one has to prove a meeting of the minds between those defendants, to accomplish an illegal task which is inchoate. Not the easiest thing in the world. One could even say it somewhat more ambitious, but perfectly legitimate, as conspiracy laws predate the United States of America's existence by hundreds of years in the English common law system.

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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Wed Mar 15, 2017 4:05 pm

If KrisAnne says it, it's usually false. She's an idiot. And a crusader for her loony causes. And if you think she's nuts, you need to hear her husband. :rolleye:

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Post by Maybenaut » Wed Mar 15, 2017 4:41 pm

Techno Luddite wrote:
Whip wrote:
Kendra wrote:Because KrisAnne Hall says so, it must be true.

That'll fix things :lol:
ah....she's butthurt again she wasn't called for attention as a witness.
I find interesting KrisAnne's comment that "real" prosecutors don't charge defendants with "conspiracy." Since when? Admittedly I am not a criminal lawyer, but it seems to me that if you have an err, well, CONSPIRACY, as in several folks get together and plan to do something illegal, it is perfectly appropriate to charge that. And it isn't easy to prove, as one has to prove a meeting of the minds between those defendants, to accomplish an illegal task which is inchoate. Not the easiest thing in the world. One could even say it somewhat more ambitious, but perfectly legitimate, as conspiracy laws predate the United States of America's existence by hundreds of years in the English common law system.
Spot on. And I was curious, so I did a very brief, very un-scientific perusal of Lexis-Nexis, searching in the Supreme Court, Federal Circuit Courts and Military Courts databases. I searched for the term "conspiracy" within the same sentence as "convicted," for cases decided in 2016. My search returned 1,061 hits. Admittedly, there may be some overlap. But lots of real prosecutors charge defendants with conspiracy, it would appear.

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Post by Dr. Caligari » Wed Mar 15, 2017 6:00 pm

But lots of real prosecutors charge defendants with conspiracy, it would appear.
Way back in 1925, federal judge Learned Hand called conspiracy "that darling of the modern prosecutor's nursery."
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Re: Bundy Trials - Oregon Part II GUILTY!GUILTY!GUILTY! & Part III Last Poot Cleanup Lacovara

Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Wed Mar 15, 2017 6:47 pm

Sterngard Friegen wrote:Having KrisAnne Hall explain anything about the law is like having my dog explain quantum thermodynamics. It's beyond their abilities. In my dog's case, his brain was never large enough. In Hall's case the brain damage came late.
My granddoggy Beowulf, a dark golden retriever, prefers to discuss string theory, which KrisAnne wouldn't understand.
“I’ve been hooked since my first smell of C-4.” Linda Cox, first female Air Force Explosive Ordnance Disposal Technician, first to lead her own unit, go to war, be awarded a Bronze Star, and hold the highest enlisted rank of chief master sergeant.

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