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Re: Bundy related gossip and discussion

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Post by HeatherGray » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:49 pm

NMgirl wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:07 pm
Jerry Mander wrote:
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Duane Ehmer was apparently kicked by a horse. Not Hellboy, but a horse named ‘Bunny’ whose IQ probably eclipses Duane Ehmer’s.
Ol' Duane was in his full stars and stripes regalia, several layers thick, so he didn't feel a thing, most likely. I wonder if his underwear is made out of American flags? Eeeew. Wish I hadn't wondered that. :sick:
Years ago an acquaintance was kicked by a worried Thoroughbred filly in the chest, and spent some time in the hospital as a result.
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I thought horses kicked with their feet/hooves, not their hindquarters. Maybe Bunny swung around on him. A kick in the chest could very bad.
Horses can rear and strike with their front hooves but it is more common for them to wheel and kick with their back hooves. I had a trainer tell me once that from a training point of view a horse that wheels and kicks is less dangerous because they are at least trying to leave the situation. A horse that strikes from the front is a lot more aggressive. Of course, either type of kick can kill or maim a person.


ETA: Forcing a horse a horse to back makes it more likely for the horse to rear, and should be done with great caution, whether from the ground or under saddle. One never wants a thousand pound animal to think that they have no escape except over a person.



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Re: Bundy related gossip and discussion

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Post by ArthurWankspittle » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:49 am

Could have kicked him in the head in which case there'd be no damage,
Seriously:


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Re: Bundy related gossip and discussion

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Post by pipistrelle » Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:34 am

HeatherGray wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:49 pm
pipistrelle wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:03 pm
I thought horses kicked with their feet/hooves, not their hindquarters. Maybe Bunny swung around on him. A kick in the chest could very bad.
Horses can rear and strike with their front hooves but it is more common for them to wheel and kick with their back hooves. I had a trainer tell me once that from a training point of view a horse that wheels and kicks is less dangerous because they are at least trying to leave the situation. A horse that strikes from the front is a lot more aggressive. Of course, either type of kick can kill or maim a person.
I just thought it was funny that they said s/he kicked with his/her hindquarters. :-) (I'm thinking Bunny must be a mare.)



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Re: Bundy related gossip and discussion

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Post by Azastan » Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:32 am

ArthurWankspittle wrote:
Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:49 am
Could have kicked him in the head in which case there'd be no damage,
This is CGI from some movie, apparently.

Although, I still wouldn't want to get kicked by a horse.



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Re: Bundy related gossip and discussion

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Post by Flatpointhigh » Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:36 am

Northland10 wrote:
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Dolly wrote:
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Just how it looks. What’s Moo saying?
stevensauke.com link from above shows: Umpqua UMP-kwah
Maybe she'd be better off in Wales. I find it's easier to say Welsh words if you're not actually looking at them. Rough language.
Just need to remember that "w" & "y" are vowels when they fall between two other consonants. I don't think moomoo can do that.



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Re: Bundy related gossip and discussion

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Post by NMgirl » Wed Jan 03, 2018 5:45 pm

I retain an interest in Marcus Mumford, for the most part because when I attended the Oregon standoff trial, Mumford's behavior was appalling, disgusting, outrageous, but also, let's face it, fascinating; you had to see it to believe it. The case against Mumford, brought by the Oregon court, continues and I follow it, albeit sporadically. The latest:
12/08/2017-- 24-- Notice Of Witness List And Proffer Filed by Marcus R. Mumford. (Attachments: # 1 Exhibit A, # 2 Exhibit B, # 3 Exhibit C, # 4 Exhibit D, # 5 Exhibit E, # 6 Exhibit F, # 7 Exhibit G) (Mumford, Marcus) (Entered: 12/08/2017)

Check out this witness list!
1.Amanda Mendenhall
2. Matthew Schindler
3. Lisa Ludwig
4. Per Olson
5. Robert Salisbury
6. Tiffany Harris
7. Lisa Maxfield
8. J. Morgan Philpot
9. Ammon Bundy
10. Ryan Bundy
11. Claud R. “Rick” Koerber
12. Courtney (last name currently unknown)
13. Court Reporter 1
14. Court Reporter 2
15. Court Deputy Bonnie Boyer
16. Judge Michael Mosman
17. Herbert E. “Bud” Scruggs
18. Tom Gurrister, MS-CCC
19. Maxine Bernstein
20. A representative from the United States Department of Justice, including potentially the
prosecutors assigned to United States v. Mumford
21. Richard Van Wagoner
22. Samuel Alba
23. Marcus Mumford, Respondent

12/13/2017-- 25-- Response Opposition to Marcus Mumford's Provisional Response to the Court's Order to Show Cause; Memorandum Supporting Permanent Pro Hac Vice Revocation. Filed by Robert C. Weaver. (Related document(s): Brief 7 .) (Attachments: # 1 Exhibit A) (Lindenauer, Eric) (Entered: 12/13/2017)
Weaver's Response to Mumpoot.pdf

12/13/2017-- 26-- Declaration of Patrick J. Conti in Support of Opposition to Marcus Mumford's Provisional Response to the Court's Order to Show Cause; Memorandum Supporting Permanent Pro Hac Vice Revocation. Filed by Robert C. Weaver. (Too big to attach.)
Not surprisingly, Mumpoot has been in trouble in other courts as well. From Weaver's Response:
The District of Utah has sanctioned Mr. Mumford and found him to have a “demonstrated inability to manage deadlines” and to “repeated[ly] fail to comply with court orders.” Utah Republican Party v. Herbert, No. 2:14-CV-00876-DN-DBP, 2015 WL 6394534, at *7 (D. Utah Oct. 22, 2015) :snippity:
The District of Utah has further sanctioned Mr. Mumford for frivolous practice, held him in contempt, and barred him from appearing in an action until he satisfied court orders. See Garth O. Green Enterprises, Inc. v. Standard Plumbing Supply, Inc., No. 2:15-CV-00556-DN-EJF, 2017 WL 1843097, at *5 (D. Utah May 5, 2017).
The Tenth Circuit too has noted that Mr. Mumford’s conduct “evinces a pattern and practice of disregard for this Court’s rules, orders and deadlines.” Conti Decl., Ex. 3. The Tenth Circuit admonished Mr. Mumford for his practice being “inconsistent with the standards of practice required of attorneys admitted to appear before this Court.”
Mumford's woes are not restricted to his courtroom travails. His wife, Michelle Quist, has divorced him.

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“I started the year married, at home with my seven children, in line for an appointment to a judicial committee and gearing up for a successful private law practice working for myself.
I ended the year divorced, juggling seven children, with my young children in full-day preschool, working full-time, no judicial committee, no self-employment, dream job and political aspirations slowly slipping away. There’s nothing like seeing your life flash in front of you when little of it matches up with what you thought you wanted.”
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Post by Northland10 » Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:29 pm

Courtney sounds like a strong witness.


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Post by NMgirl » Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:34 pm

Northland10 wrote:
Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:29 pm
Courtney sounds like a strong witness.
Courtney Whatshername is an investigator who worked for the defense. Mumford is just too lazy to look at the relevant transcripts (which he got for free, pleading to the judge that he couldn't afford them).



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Post by Jerry Mander » Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:28 pm

12/08/2017-- 24-- Notice Of Witness List And Proffer Filed by Marcus R. Mumford. (Attachments: # 1 Exhibit A, # 2 Exhibit B, # 3 Exhibit C, # 4 Exhibit D, # 5 Exhibit E, # 6 Exhibit F, # 7 Exhibit G) (Mumford, Marcus) (Entered: 12/08/2017)

Check out this witness list!
1.Amanda Mendenhall
2. Matthew Schindler
3. Lisa Ludwig
4. Per Olson
5. Robert Salisbury
6. Tiffany Harris
7. Lisa Maxfield
8. J. Morgan Philpot
9. Ammon Bundy
10. Ryan Bundy
11. Claud R. “Rick” Koerber
12. Courtney (last name currently unknown)
13. Court Reporter 1
14. Court Reporter 2
15. Court Deputy Bonnie Boyer
16. Judge Michael Mosman
17. Herbert E. “Bud” Scruggs
18. Tom Gurrister, MS-CCC
19. Maxine Bernstein
20. A representative from the United States Department of Justice, including potentially the
prosecutors assigned to United States v. Mumford
21. Richard Van Wagoner
22. Samuel Alba
23. Marcus Mumford, Respondent

Can we assume the ‘court reporters’ are Krazi Kel and Lambo?



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Post by Jerry Mander » Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:44 pm

Some rather absurd hand-wringing about sharia law, communism and abortion on Krazi Kel’s FB page today, in the comments following this post. Did you know Islam is communism and leads to abortion? Me neither. But at least occasionally Krazi Kel and her nut job friends get that flash of realization that they are vastly outnumbered by normal people who don’t share their crazy beliefs.
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Post by NMgirl » Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:00 pm

Hey, Robert J. Sutherland: Nobody disputes your right to speak out. What we effing object to is that by "speaking out" you mean threatening people, including LEOs, with AR-15s.



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Post by Water Boy » Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:11 pm

Jerry Mander wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:28 pm
12/08/2017-- 24-- Notice Of Witness List And Proffer Filed by Marcus R. Mumford. (Attachments: # 1 Exhibit A, # 2 Exhibit B, # 3 Exhibit C, # 4 Exhibit D, # 5 Exhibit E, # 6 Exhibit F, # 7 Exhibit G) (Mumford, Marcus) (Entered: 12/08/2017)

Check out this witness list!
1.Amanda Mendenhall
2. Matthew Schindler
3. Lisa Ludwig
4. Per Olson
5. Robert Salisbury
6. Tiffany Harris
7. Lisa Maxfield
8. J. Morgan Philpot
9. Ammon Bundy
10. Ryan Bundy
11. Claud R. “Rick” Koerber
12. Courtney (last name currently unknown)
13. Court Reporter 1
14. Court Reporter 2
15. Court Deputy Bonnie Boyer
16. Judge Michael Mosman
17. Herbert E. “Bud” Scruggs
18. Tom Gurrister, MS-CCC
19. Maxine Bernstein
20. A representative from the United States Department of Justice, including potentially the
prosecutors assigned to United States v. Mumford
21. Richard Van Wagoner
22. Samuel Alba
23. Marcus Mumford, Respondent

Can we assume the ‘court reporters’ are Krazi Kel and Lambo?
I would think the official court reporters, as they would have witnessed whatever was going on in the room.

They need the Lambs and Stewarts of the world to put out the narrative of the trial. If Maxine Bernstein is really on the witness list, she wouldn't be able to report, so less of that pesky "MSM fake news" to challenge the "truth" they are putting out.



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Post by NMgirl » Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:35 pm

Water Boy wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:11 pm
:snippity:
They need the Lambs and Stewarts of the world to put out the narrative of the trial. If Maxine Bernstein is really on the witness list, she wouldn't be able to report, so less of that pesky "MSM fake news" to challenge the "truth" they are putting out.
I believe we can call this Mumpoot's Witness Wish List. The judge will only allow a limited number of witnesses.



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Post by pipistrelle » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:40 pm

NMgirl wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:00 pm
Hey, Robert J. Sutherland: Nobody disputes your right to speak out. What we effing object to is that by "speaking out" you mean threatening people, including LEOs, with AR-15s.
I see they're on their kick of we are smart and everyone else is a sheep. Meanwhile, the average person would cross the street if they saw you coming, Kel(li).



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Post by NMgirl » Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:02 am

pipistrelle wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:40 pm
NMgirl wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:00 pm
Hey, Robert J. Sutherland: Nobody disputes your right to speak out. What we effing object to is that by "speaking out" you mean threatening people, including LEOs, with AR-15s.
I see they're on their kick of we are smart and everyone else is a sheep. Meanwhile, the average person would cross the street if they saw you coming, Kel(li).
I sure as hell did, when I attended the Oregon trials. Kel(li) persistently asked me personal questions trying to identify me (in fact, took the seat right next to me in the audience, despite the rest of the row being empty). When I departed the courthouse at the end of the day, she tried to take pictures of me with her phone. I skedaddled quick as I could, you betcha.



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Post by pipistrelle » Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:20 am

NMgirl wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:02 am
Kel(li) persistently asked me personal questions trying to identify me (in fact, took the seat right next to me in the audience, despite the rest of the row being empty). When I departed the courthouse at the end of the day, she tried to take pictures of me with her phone. I skedaddled quick as I could, you betcha.
:eek2: :shock: :eek2:



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Post by NMgirl » Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:33 am

pipistrelle wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:20 am
NMgirl wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:02 am
Kel(li) persistently asked me personal questions trying to identify me (in fact, took the seat right next to me in the audience, despite the rest of the row being empty). When I departed the courthouse at the end of the day, she tried to take pictures of me with her phone. I skedaddled quick as I could, you betcha.
:eek2: :shock: :eek2:
I wasn't the only one, by any means. At least one other Fogbowzer had to take evasive action on the way to her car when court was dismissed, as well as a couple of people tweet storming the trial. We laugh about these people, but they are, in fact, scary.



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Post by Jerry Mander » Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:51 pm

On the topic of Krazi Kel, would Krazi Kel write up a list of feds and meanies? I mean, would she really do such a thing? Krazi Kel certainly isn't a vindictive, paranoid nut-job, is she? :roll:
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Post by NMgirl » Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:06 pm

Mumpoot's reputation has preceded him and his usual delaying, obfuscating, more delaying, tactics are not proving effective with this judge:
01/05/2018-- 27-- Motion to Continue January 8, 2018 Hearing Date. Oral Argument requested.Expedited Hearing requested. Filed by Marcus R. Mumford. (Attachments: # 1 Exhibit (Declaration of Matthew Umhofer)) (Mumford, Marcus) (Entered: 01/05/2018)

01/05/2018-- 28-- ORDER DENYING CONTINUANCE: This matter comes before the Court on Marcus Mumfords motion for continuance of a January 8th evidentiary hearing (Dkt. No. 27 ). Mr. Mumford has had ample time to prepare for this hearing and the Court cannot consider his request, on the eve of the hearing, absent extraordinary circumstances. Mr. Mumfords motion fails to describe such circumstances. Accordingly, the motion is DENIED. The Court expects the parties to appear before it for the January 8, 2018 evidentiary hearing at 10 a.m. in Courtroom 16. Signed on January 5, 2018 by Honorable John C. Coughenour. (eo) (Entered: 01/05/2018)
Judge Coughenour's Order is above in its entirety. It is worth reading Mumpoot's Motion (labeled 27-main). It's a disgrace. But it's also good reading. Is there room on this posting for 10,000 tiny violins? No? Well, this will have to do, then: :violin:

27-main.pdf
27-1.pdf

Mumpoot hired representation on January 4th. The hearing is set for January 8. The attorney, Matthew Umhofer, was formerly with Skadden, Arps, as was Mumpoot. Further, the attorney is not a member of the Oregon bar and will have to file for pro hac vice status before he can appear on behalf of Mumpoot.
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Post by JohnPCapitalist » Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:11 pm

NMgirl wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:06 pm
Mumpoot's reputation has preceded him and his usual delaying, obfuscating, more delaying, tactics are not proving effective with this judge:
01/05/2018-- 28-- ORDER DENYING CONTINUANCE: This matter comes before the Court on Marcus Mumfords motion for continuance of a January 8th evidentiary hearing (Dkt. No. 27 ). Mr. Mumford has had ample time to prepare for this hearing and the Court cannot consider his request, on the eve of the hearing, absent extraordinary circumstances. Mr. Mumfords motion fails to describe such circumstances. Accordingly, the motion is DENIED. The Court expects the parties to appear before it for the January 8, 2018 evidentiary hearing at 10 a.m. in Courtroom 16. Signed on January 5, 2018 by Honorable John C. Coughenour. (eo) (Entered: 01/05/2018)
Judge Coughenour's Order is above in its entirety. It is worth reading Mumpoot's Motion (labeled 27-main). It's a disgrace. But it's also good reading. Is there room on this posting for 10,000 tiny violins? No? Well, this will have to do, then: :violin:
So if I understand this correctly, Mumpoot had to hire a lawyer to help him because he's such a bad lawyer he's not doing a good job writing the filings needed to prove to the court that he's not a bad lawyer. Sounds legit.



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Post by Azastan » Fri Jan 05, 2018 8:47 pm

NMgirl wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:06 pm


Judge Coughenour's Order is above in its entirety. It is worth reading Mumpoot's Motion (labeled 27-main). It's a disgrace. But it's also good reading. Is there room on this posting for 10,000 tiny violins? No? Well, this will have to do, then: :violin:
It's a good thing Mumpoot included numbers for '45', since he doesn't know how to spell it out.



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Post by NMgirl » Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:42 pm

Azastan wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2018 8:47 pm
NMgirl wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:06 pm


Judge Coughenour's Order is above in its entirety. It is worth reading Mumpoot's Motion (labeled 27-main). It's a disgrace. But it's also good reading. Is there room on this posting for 10,000 tiny violins? No? Well, this will have to do, then: :violin:
It's a good thing Mumpoot included numbers for '45', since he doesn't know how to spell it out.
"Fourty-five" shows up on Umhofer's Declaration as well, so I think we can assume that Mumpoot composed that document and submitted it to Umhofer for his signature.



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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Fri Jan 05, 2018 9:55 pm

How many prior continuances -- and for how long -- did Mumford receive?

Coughenour is a no-nonsense hanging judge, so Mumford is not going to get a good result out of this.



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