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mmmirele wrote:We need a separate Hammond topic, because I don't think those guys are going to prison in January like they're supposed to.
Yep. Seems you're correct.
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NOTICE: Redress of Grievance

Notice to agent is notice to principle; notice to principle is notice to agent

Sheriff David Ward, Commissioner Dan Nichols, Commissioner Pete Runnels, Justice of the Peace Donna Thomas, District Attorney Tim Colahan, Attorney General Ellen Rosenblum, Governor Kate Brown

Dear Sirs,

After extensive research on the Hammond case, We the People of these States United have reason to believe that Dwight and Steven Hammond were not afforded their rights to due process as protected by the United States Constitution.

We have principled evidence that Dwight and Steven Hammond committed no crime in the act of performing the prescribe burn and back fire, that the U.S. Government does not have authority to enforce Territorial law under Article Four within the State of Oregon, and that the County of Harney and State of Oregon failed to protect the Hammond’s rights as guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution. USC 42.1986, 18.242, 18.121, 42.1983, 42.1985,

We hold compelling evidence that the U.S. Government abused the federal court system, situating the Hammond family into duress as effort to force the Hammond’s to sell their Steen Mountain property to a federal agency.

We have substantial evidence that the U.S. Attorney’s Office exploited an act of Congress, imposing cruel and unusual punishment upon residents of Harney County.

We hold substantial evidence that inside the borders of Harney County the U.S. Government is acting outside the authority enumerated in the Constitution of the United States.

We secure evidence that the U.S. Attorney’s Office independently prepared the indictment against Dwight & Steven Hammond, and that the Grand Jury did not properly assemble or investigate before the indictment. We have no evidence that the Grand Jury participated in the indictment altogether.

We have sure evidence that U.S. Congress does not have authority to legislate minimum sentences, requiring Dwight and Steven Hammond to serve five years in a federal penitentiary.

We hold confirming video evidence of federal agents exhibiting a culture of intimidation toward individuals and businesses within the borders of Harney County. That federal agents, by fire destroy private property, and that the Hammond family are being denied the same protection of the laws that are enjoyed by federal agents.

We have supporting evidence that Judge Hogan controlled the narrative and did not allow full disclosure in the courtroom. We have additional evidence that Dwight and Steven Hammond were sentenced for something different than what they were found guilty of.

We hold sounding evidence that Dwight and Steven Hammond are victims of cruel and unusual punishment, and that the U.S. Justice Department is violating the 8th Amendment.

We hold sure evidence that Dwight and Steven Hammond are being subject for the same offense twice put in jeopardy. Including that the Ninth District Court of Appeals is in violation of the 5th Amendment.

We have obtained appalling evidence that the U.S. Attorney’s Office threatened the Hammond family with early detention and further punishment, if the Hammond family continued to communicate with a certain individual. This evidence foundational speaks against the U.S. Attorneys Office in their gross effort to infringe upon the Hammond’s right to free exercise of speech. 1st Amendment, USC 18.242

In a commitment to expose the truth and administrate justice, We the People of these States United insist that you immediately assemble an independent Evidential Hearing Board (EHB) comprised of the people of Harney County in accordance with Common Law principals. That the Evidential Hearing Board call witnesses and investigate each of these allegations publicly. That the Evidential Hearing Board make public conclusions in writing upon their findings. That the Harney County Board of Commissioners and the Sheriff’s Department enforce the conclusions of the Evidential Hearing Board in support of the United States Constitution. We further insist that the Hammond family be protected from reporting to federal prison until all allegations can be determined.

We need not remind you of your lawful duty to act on these matters as insisted, nor of the consequences if you knowingly neglected your duty. USC 18.2382, 18.2071, 18.2076, 42.1983, 42.1985, 42.1986

Respectively,

We the People – United Individuals of these States United

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Yep, sovcit nuttery.

I hope the authorities are ready to go in and get the Hammonds and not chicken out like they did with Bundy Ranch.

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I don't know.

I'd guess they've been preparing for a standoff for awhile now.

And the meeting I posted about included Jason Patrick and others lawsplaining to the neighbors. No doubt they've converted a bunch.

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mimi wrote:I don't know.

I'd guess they've been preparing for a standoff for awhile now.

And the meeting I posted about included Jason Patrick and others lawsplaining to the neighbors. No doubt they've converted a bunch.
That would be my guess and hope too. I can understand the BLM's reluctance to act ultra-heavy in the Bundy situation: it was fairly novel for them and they would prefer cooperation or coercion through the courts to gunfights. This forum wanted the BLM to go in harder, but it would not have been a happy day if one or several of their operatives had been wounded or killed - they are not a military outfit which could reasonably consider these operations in terms of "acceptable losses".

But surely there must have been high level meetings to formulate a strategy and tactics to (1) resolve this sort of situation cleanly and safely in the desired direction, (2) dissuade others from ignoring regulations, (3) avoid creating animosity amongst the perps' neighbors so future working relations can be amicable (the BLM won't want to send out armed escorts on every dealing with land users).

I hope to see a calm but firm action: a velvet glove covering an iron fist.

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Hope you're right, Sam. But I meant that I think the Hammonds have been preparing.

Actually, I think it's other Patriots more than the Hammonds.

If you can believe Ammon Bundy, the feds warned the Hammonds that if they continued to communicate with Bundy, that they'd go get them (the Hammonds) to begin serving their time sooner than January.

I read that a few weeks ago.

Over on the Bundy Blog, posted Nov. 21st:
Dear Friends,

Yesterday I received a phone call from Dwight Hammond (74). He said that he was very afraid for his life and for mine as well. He informed me that federal agents contacted his attorney. They told Dwight's attorney that if Dwight and Susie did not end all communication with Ammon Bundy, that they "would detain the Hammond's early for federal prison and that they would transfer pain to the Hammond family". He further said, that he believed "they would bring misery to the whole family".

Steven Hammond's attorney also confirmed that federal agents contacted him and hinted a raid on the Hammonds home if they did not end all communication with Ammon Bundy.

On Thursday November 19th, Harney County Sheriff, David Ward, informed me that federal agents indicated to him that if the Hammond's continued to speaking out, that they may raid the Hammond's home and detain them early for federal prison. I informed the Sheriff that it was his duty to make sure that did not happen.

I do not have to explain how this is a violation of individual rights. Dwight, Steven and Susie have all told me that they are terrified of what will happen if they continue to communicate with me. In the last phone conversation between Susie and I, she told me that she loved me and was so thankful for what I have done to get the truth out. She then informed me that she feared that if we continued to talk, federal agents were going to put a bullet in her and Dwight's heads, and possible mine. I attempted to instill courage in both Dwight and Susie, but fear had over come them.

This last Wednesday I spent a good part of the day in the Hammond's home. We spoke for hours. Several times, I found the Hammond's in tears when they explained the injustices that has destroyed their lives. They were hopeful that the American people were going to stand for them. And that, just maybe, they would be able to return to the life they once knew. In just a few short hours, federal agents again have dashed the Hammond's hope and replaced it with fear.

I hold my tongue against those that would inflict such pain upon these wonderful people. It reminds me of the scripture that reads: "Nevertheless, when the wicked rule the people mourn" (D&C 98:9).
Everyone within the reach of my words must know that I will do everything in my power to make sure that justice is brought to the Hammond's. I will not stop until the Hammond's are home free, without fear. I do not fear for my life. I love the Hammonds, I love the Lord.

With Concern,
Ammon Bundy

I think the "Patriots", including Ammon Bundy and Jason Patrick, are pushing the Hammonds into taking a stand for their movement.

And the feds know it.

And I'd bet Schuyler was set to do 'security' for the Hammonds as well.

It's like some of these guys are just roaming around, hoping for a fight to start their revolution.

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The video has been removed already. But it goes to show, like I suspected, the heavy involvement of Ammon Bundy at the Hammond ranch.

After the initial meeting for the neighbors of the Hammonds, a "safety committee" was formed. I can only guess what that is.

Anyway, this video was posted last night, and is now gone.
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AMMON BUNDY & the People Harney County enact committees of safety
The People of Harney Co. Oregon took thier county back today just like In the American Revolution,…
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The Harney County Commitee of Safty will be meeting Wednesday December 16, 2015 at 4:00pm
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On Tuesday December 15, 2015 Harney County residents met at the fairgrounds in Burns Oregon at a community meeting to discuss events relevant to their county. A particular focus of government overreach that affects the lives of residents in the county were of the utmost concern. As a result of long standing abuse and a severe mistrust a Committee of Safety was birthed as seven residents were unanimously selected.

There are a couple of videos by Jason Patrick in there:
https://www.facebook.com/HarneyCountyLi ... s/?fref=nf

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Maybe this is the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ednOxS0TtY4

They assume their notice of redress of grievance will be ignored. I think the date was yesterday, or maybe today. The safety committee will then prepare a notice of demand. They expect that will be ignored as well. Then, they will 'assemble'.

The radio guy says the people of Harney County must understand that they may need to be their own law enforcement in this. Ammon says they know. The radio guy says if they need help with that, he can put out a call for individuals.

Radio guy says the enforcement end of this "might be dicey", but he knows some people. And they would refuse "unlawful orders". And they may even hand over said individuals.

If you decide to listen to it, I recommend playing it at 1.25 speed. (change the speed on the youtube under the icon on the video that looks like a gear. You'll have to click-thru to watch on youtube site to do that.)

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Here's the original meeting. Too long. I just can't.

Part I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qcr93G0InA

Part II

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF2c6UYRdE0


I did sample some of Part II.

I wonder if those three guys, Ammon Bundy, Ryan Payne, Jason Patrick, can be indicted from this video?

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mimi wrote:After the initial meeting for the neighbors of the Hammonds, a "safety committee" was formed. I can only guess what that is.
They're hysterical historical. From the American Revolution.
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Thanks, rooster. My old History teacher is prolly cursing at me from somewhere.

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I wonder how many of the followers of the Hammonds / Ammon Bundy are Mormon? Bundy's missive quotes from the Doctrine and Covenants, a scripture peculiar to the Mormon faith.

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Foggy wrote:
mimi wrote:After the initial meeting for the neighbors of the Hammonds, a "safety committee" was formed. I can only guess what that is.
They're hysterical historical. From the American Revolution.
hammond eggers?

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Whip wrote:
Foggy wrote:
mimi wrote:After the initial meeting for the neighbors of the Hammonds, a "safety committee" was formed. I can only guess what that is.
They're hysterical historical. From the American Revolution.
hammond eggers?
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I guess somebody threatened the sheriff. Prolly not a smart thing to do.


So Ammon Bundy wrote to him.
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: A letter to Sheriff Ward
From: Carol Bundy <cbundyemails@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015, 8:46 PM
To: angusfarms@hotmail.com
CC:


A Letter to Sheriff Ward
Friends,

I promised to keep you updated. Please read this copy of a letter I recently sent to Sheriff Ward regarding the Hammonds.


Dear Sheriff David Ward,

I have received information through multiple sources that you, in conjunction with federal agencies, have enlisted, the state, and five surrounding counties to come to your protection. That officers and military equipment have been transported to Harney County to aid in your personal security. That these officers have been heavily armed, and that the personnel involved have been put on high alert and briefed to use force upon the people as they see fit. It is to our understanding that this call out to your brothers in blue is being justified because of a personal threat directed to you, by way of an email, that you do not know who made the threat, and have no lead other than the email source.

It is this over reaction for your personal protection that we write to you in disgust. Why have you placed yourself higher than the Hammond's and higher than the people of Harney County? Why will the brothers in blue waist no time, spare no expense, and leave no effort untouched for the protection and defense of each other, meanwhile, completely ignore the very people that they are charged to defend? Why do the brothers in blue take the people's money by force and purchase military equipment and arms in the name of protecting the people, only to use it on the people themselves?

The irony is too strong to ignore. The danger is too real. The Hammond's have been unjustly charged as "terrorists"... they are ranchers. Their safety and well-being has been directly threatened by a federal agent in an open manner. They have been subject to double jeopardy. They have been sentenced to a cruel and unusual punishment. In an effort to put in duress, they have been required to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in a very short period of time. Their private water sources have been fenced off. They have been threatened with unauthorized force if they put to use hundreds of acres of their own private property. All of this has transpired right before your eyes and you lift not even a brow in their defense. You have never even been to the Hammond's home or ranch to find the truth; you have yet to go where the fires occurred to understand the circumstances. You have exhausted minimal resources, if any at all, to get to the bottom of what is going on. And yet an email, which probably came from clear across the United States, from a half witted keyboard warrior, made an idle threat to you, and immediately the feds, the state and five county departments come unglued and tactically assemble in an unstable manner with weapons pointed at the people.

It is shameful that someone as powerful as you act the way you have. It is alarming that you make no effort to uphold the duties and obligation of your office. Almost your entire adult life, you have sworn an oath to uphold and defend the United States Constitution. You have also been appointed to protect the lives, liberties and property of the people who live and come into Harney County. When we called upon you to provide that protection, you refused-and instead chose to seek more favor and power by collaborating with the violators, forgetting your duty to the people.

I offer awareness to you and other government personnel that lead or follow your example. The people are in unrest, because of these types of egregious actions. The establishment and purpose of government is to protect and uphold the inalienable rights of the PEOPLE, not to defend itself against the people. It is our duty and obligation as individuals to defend our God-given rights if our government representatives fail to do so, or tries to discard them. We as a people desire to live in peace and tranquility, but will defend our freedoms if necessary, in order to do so. We call upon you Sheriff Ward, and all civil servants, to honorably and effectively uphold the oaths and duties of your sworn offices-to turn your weapons in the defense of the Hammond's rights and truly be a representative of the people, by the people and for the people.

Respectfully,
Ammon Bundy

For some background, Sheriff Ward wrote this awhile back:
November 20, 2015

Dear Friends and Neighbors,

I have received a huge response from American citizens regarding the resentencing of Dwight and Steven Hammond. I am aware, as I have read it for myself, that there is a significant amount of misinformation being posted on internet sites.

The fact remains:

1. The case was investigated by the sheriff at that time.
2. The case was brought before a grand jury and the defendants were indicted in accordance with the law.
3. The defendants were tried in federal court and found guilty by a jury of their peers.
4. The charges of conviction carry a 60 month federal minimum sentence by law. A law which was passed by congress and signed into law by the President.
5. The defendant’s attorneys requested the 60 month minimum sentence for the crimes of conviction and the defendants accepted the sentence.
6. The presiding judge violated the law and handed down a sentence of less than the mandatory minimum required by law.
7. The prosecution filed an appeal to the decision which went to the 9th Circuit Court, where the court found that the 60 month minimum sentence had to be upheld.
8. The defendants appealed to the Supreme Court, which elected not to hear the case.
9. The defendants were resentenced to fulfill the remainder of the 60 month minimum sentence required by law.


It is my belief that the Hammonds are decent hard working citizens of Harney County and deserve my attention in this matter. I have read and will continue to read and look into any injustice found in this matter.

Please read the attached sentence order. It is lengthy, but will clear up some of the misinformation being found on the internet.

Thank you for your concern and willingness to help in this matter. If you have any further questions for me please feel free to respond and I will do my best to get back to you in a timely manner. I have received many phone calls and emails in this matter and will respond to each one as best I can.

David M Ward


Harney County Sheriff



And earlier, Ammon Bundy wrote:
I then went to the County Sheriff -Dave Ward to see if he was a man that understood that his duty was to protect the Hammonds from further abuse and punishment. He assured me that he loves this county and the people in it. As the new Sheriff he confirmed several times that he needed to meet the Hammonds and determine the truth. I promised him that I would do my best to assist in gathering the facts. Over the past week myself and others have exhaustively gathered all the facts we could and have verified them with two or more witnesses. I now share them with you and ask that you honestly review them and determine for yourself if the Hammonds are “Terrorists” and if they deserve the cruel and unusual punishment that has been forced upon them by Federal Employees. Please read all the documents in full including the Facts & Events, Letter to Sheriff Ward and the Conclusion. (See Links)


There's more, but you get the gist.

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It's not clear to me what's going on with the sheriff. The Hammonds are spouting their sovcit crap and the pseudo-friendly letter reads to me as a heavily veiled threat of the "you're either with us or agin us and the armed people of the county" sort.

But what does Sheriff Ward's letter indicate? He points out the legal facts of the case and makes the point that the law is valid and it is his and the courts' role to implement it. But why the praise for the Hammond family? Not even qualified to exclude those sent to prison, which seems odd to me. It perhaps suggests that the Sheriff might not be the strongest of allies if the federal agencies need to act - or am I misinterpreting this?

Wiser thoughts and opinions please!

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Sam the Centipede wrote:But why the praise for the Hammond famil's not clear to me what's going on with the sheriff. The Hammonds are spouting their sovcit crap and the pseudo-friendly letter reads to me as a heavily veiled threat of the "you're either with us or agin us and the armed people of the county" sort.

But what does Sheriff Ward's letter indicate? He points out the legal facts of the case and makes the point that the law is valid and it is his and the courts' role to implement ity? Not even qualified to exclude those sent to prison, which seems odd to me. It perhaps suggests that the Sheriff might not be the strongest of allies if the federal agencies need to act - or am I misinterpreting this?

Wiser thoughts and opinions please!
Seems the Sheriff is the wise man here. No need to say something bad about people who may be well respected in their community. He reports the facts and that is more than enough.
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Sam the Centipede wrote:It's not clear to me what's going on with the sheriff. The Hammonds are spouting their sovcit crap and the pseudo-friendly letter reads to me as a heavily veiled threat of the "you're either with us or agin us and the armed people of the county" sort.

But what does Sheriff Ward's letter indicate? He points out the legal facts of the case and makes the point that the law is valid and it is his and the courts' role to implement it. But why the praise for the Hammond family? Not even qualified to exclude those sent to prison, which seems odd to me. It perhaps suggests that the Sheriff might not be the strongest of allies if the federal agencies need to act - or am I misinterpreting this?

Wiser thoughts and opinions please!
Or it sounds like he's pre-emptively shutting down the arguments that the Sheriff is going after them just because he doesn't like them. "Hey, they aren't evil people, but I'm following the law" seems to me to be the safer route to avoiding some sort of armed conflict (or a million more calls and letters) than "Hey, they are all assholes and deserve everything they get and more."

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Also, I think the sheriff is new. I don't believe he was in the job when the Hammonds were originally convicted.

The sheriff has nothing to do with this case at all. The Feds are the ones who are putting the Hammonds back in the pokey.

The Patriots are mad that the sheriff doesn't stop the Feds. They want him to stop the Feds. By force, if necessary.

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I agree with Sugar Magnolia. The letter is factual when describing the legal situation and the statements about the family serve to head off a flurry of nonsense from the sov-cits. As well, if he is seeking election in the future, there is no point in alienating non sov-cit voters who may have a positive view of the Hammonds.

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No need to go out of your way to piss off some obviously armed nutters.
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Thanks guys. I thought the sheriff seemed over-emoliatory, but, as you (plural) say, he doesn't want to cause avoidable pissedoffness amongst those who will be the electorate next time he wants his job, and being cautious around gun nuts is wise.

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Sam the Centipede wrote:Thanks guys. I thought the sheriff seemed over-emoliatory, but, as you (plural) say, he doesn't want to cause avoidable pissedoffness amongst those who will be the electorate next time he wants his job, and being cautious around gun nuts is wise.
I think the sentence:
"I have read and will continue to read and look into any injustice found in this matter."


Implies more solidarity with the Hammonds than it actually says. This can hurt you later, when your actions and their expectations don't match up.

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Well, of course a Sheriff's injustice is quite a different scenario than a SovCit injustice.
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Yeah, that sentence read funny to me too, which was part of my uneasiness. I would have expected something that was more focused on applying the law fairly. Justice? - not so much, that's a court thing. Investigating injustice? - sounds like a comic book hero's mission. He's a lawman.

But I don't know the guy and it's unwise to read too much into a complete stranger's phraseology.

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