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Post by GreatGrey » Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:11 am

OK, The White House needs to rethink this whole online petition thing.








Require Barack Obama To Allow The Public Examination Of His Birth Certificate Records & His College & University Records


We The People request the Obama Administration to require Barack H. Obama to authorize the public examination of his birth certificate records together his college and university records. We have all seen the document produced by The White House which has been declared suspect by Sheriff Joe Arpaio, but The People request that Barack Obama authorize the State of Hawaii to release all related information concerning his birth in the State. We also request that Barack Obama authorize Occidental College and Harvard University release all records they hold in connection with The President. The People will willingly pay a reasonable fee for each page or document copied and provided by either entity in accordance with their standard fee schedule.Signatures needed by December 13, 2012 to reach goal of 25,000


23,055


Total signatures on this petition


1,945





[/break1]whitehouse.gov/petition/require-barack-obama-allow-public-examination-his-birth-certificate-records-his-college-university/WkkLbngp]https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petiti ... y/WkkLbngp





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Post by Foggy » Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:12 am

Meh. 120+ million voters. Not even 2,000 signatures. Let 'em yap. ;;)


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Post by Foggy » Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:20 am

A Key West man who told his partner that "if Barack gets re-elected, I'm not going to be around" was found dead on Nov. 8, with the words "F--- Obama!" scrawled on his will and two empty prescription bottles nearby.





Henry Hamilton, 64, owner of Tropical Tan off Duval Street, was "very upset about the election results," his partner Michael Cossey told Police Officer Anna Dykes.snip.....





Dykes reported finding two empty prescription bottles, one for Xanax and one for Seroquel, used to treat anxiety and schizophrenia, respectively.





Cossey told police Hamilton "has been very stressed about his business," and the last time they had spoken was "when we watched the election results" on Nov. 6.Henry was gay. That's what the mention of "his partner" is all about. I don't think they were business partners. The drugs were his partner's, not his, but people had been worried about his emotional condition.





And there's a Repeal the Tan Tax link on his [link]website,http://duvalsquaretropicaltan.com/[/link], that refers to the new 10% excise tax on tanning that's a part of Obamacare.





Having said that, I'm not trying to be insensitive but how dumb is it to open a tanning salon in Key West? Your competition (the Sun) will do the job for free. I can see investing in a tanning salon in some godforsaken wilderness like Duluth, Minnesota or Eugene, Oregon. [◄-- LM K joke]





If his business was suffering, it may have had to do with that, instead of the fact that an $8 tanning session went up to $8.80 in a place where the average income is almost $50K.


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Post by kate520 » Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:17 am

I expect, howsomever, that the nut jobs will start screaming (3..2..1) about how they promised to do something about it at the 25,000 threshold, just like they believe their grievances must be redressed if they petition for it. :roll:





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Post by poutine » Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:52 pm

Just posted to Facebook by a friend:Goodbye hostess cupcakes. Thank you Obamacare. And it begins...That's right folks. They're now blaming Obama for killing Twinkies.(For the record, it appears to me that a combination of long-term financial mismanagement, shrinking marketshare, and the fatal blow of the union going on strike is what killed Twinkies. But wingnuts won't let facts get in their way so never mind all that.)



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Post by borealis » Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:58 pm

Wasn't there something pertaining to tanning bed salons and ObamaCare? Something like they cause cancer...



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Post by ZekeB » Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:08 pm

And there's a Repeal the Tan Tax link on his [link]website,http://duvalsquaretropicaltan.com/[/link], that refers to the new 10% excise tax on tanning that's a part of Obamacare.If his business was suffering, it may have had to do with that, instead of the fact that an $8 tanning session went up to $8.80 in a place where the average income is almost $50K.I disagree with the tanning tax, too. Also. What would Zonker Harris say? :-k


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Post by borealis » Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:08 pm

Just posted to Facebook by a friend:Goodbye hostess cupcakes. Thank you Obamacare. And it begins...That's right folks. They're now blaming Obama for killing Twinkies.(For the record, it appears to me that a combination of long-term financial mismanagement, shrinking marketshare, and the fatal blow of the union going on strike is what killed Twinkies. But wingnuts won't let facts get in their way so never mind all that.)Not to mention the fact they filed for bankruptcy protection in 2004. And they announced last year they would probably file for it a second time. And this has to do with Obama how?



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Post by esseff44 » Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:12 pm

Just posted to Facebook by a friend:Goodbye hostess cupcakes. Thank you Obamacare. And it begins...That's right folks. They're now blaming Obama for killing Twinkies.(For the record, it appears to me that a combination of long-term financial mismanagement, shrinking marketshare, and the fatal blow of the union going on strike is what killed Twinkies. But wingnuts won't let facts get in their way so never mind all that.) :-({|= :(( :-({|= I just can't cry over losing Hostess in this Age of Obesity and Empty Calories. On the business side, they have been doing much of what Bain Capitol was doing ......squeezing out the juice and leaving behind a mess for the government to clean up with unemployment, pensions and healthcare for the laid off workers. The assets can be sold and the investors still come out on top. As private equity outfits, we are not allowed to know what the deals were. It's hard to know the private deals and easy for them to blame the government, workers, unions or customers for the liquidation. Bakers can bake for other companies or start a shop of their own. People are not going to stop eating pastries. They just need help in transitioning to a new job or career in food service.Details here.[/break1]yahoo.com/news/hostess-failed-hedge-funds-vs-164815209.html]http://finance.yahoo.com/news/hostess-f ... 15209.html



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Post by nbc » Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:14 pm

Just posted to Facebook by a friend:Goodbye hostess cupcakes. Thank you Obamacare. And it begins...That's right folks. They're now blaming Obama for killing Twinkies.(For the record, it appears to me that a combination of long-term financial mismanagement, shrinking marketshare, and the fatal blow of the union going on strike is what killed Twinkies. But wingnuts won't let facts get in their way so never mind all that.)And honestly, Hostess products are not the healthiest either....



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Post by esseff44 » Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:21 pm

Some large manufacturers started changing with the push for healthier foods and changing tastes and seem to be doing fine as they transition. They had to get rid of transfats. We were being poisoned by them. Still the companies made a big stink about government regulation and how they would be put out of business.There are some companies I am quite pleased to see go out of business. I will not cry if Papa John's goes out of business. There smaller competitors are already doing a happy dance at the announcements of their raising their prices or closing their stores. \ :D /



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Post by borealis » Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:26 pm

One of the reasons Hostess may be forced to close now is the cost of flour, cornstarch, corn sweeteners. Grain costs I believe have jumped 35% percent since summer owing to one of the worst droughts in US history.It would be a nice idea if someone from SBA, I think there is a group called SCORE, could mentor these bakers and help them get small business loans to buy their own bakeries. Bakeries are filthy expensive to buy. I had someone try to buy a very small one for almost $400K. It was selling without the goodwill because it had been closed for 2 years. Additionally the building and equipment were out of code. It is still shuttered 5 years later. There is a good market in mid-size cities for a good niche bakery.



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Post by RoadScholar » Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:36 pm

The White House only promised a "response" to petitions w/ over 25,000 signatures.Isn't "Bugger off" a response?Speaking of freakouts, I wonder how Limbaugh or Hannity will figure out how to blame the four dead veterans killed by a train in Texas on Obama.You know, there was a time I would have thought "Wait a minute. Nobody could be that crazy!"


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Post by esseff44 » Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:37 pm

One of the reasons Hostess may be forced to close now is the cost of flour, cornstarch, corn sweeteners. Grain costs I believe have jumped 35% percent since summer owing to one of the worst droughts in US history.It would be a nice idea if someone from SBA, I think there is a group called SCORE, could mentor these bakers and help them get small business loans to buy their own bakeries. Bakeries are filthy expensive to buy. I had someone try to buy a very small one for almost $400K. It was selling without the goodwill because it had been closed for 2 years. Additionally the building and equipment were out of code. It is still shuttered 5 years later. There is a good market in mid-size cities for a good niche bakery.You are correct. They do need start up money. I have seen this cycle many times. Small bakery makes great product and earns a great reputation. Opens another store. Grows. Expands. Owners sell out to big competitors. Product goes to hell. Workers laid off.Then, there's another scenario. The little chain gets bought by a bigger chain to 'complement' their product line. In this case Starbucks has already started acting like a bully and bad neighbor.[/break1]huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/04/starbucks-buys-la-boulange-bakery_n_1568977.html]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/0 ... 68977.html



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Post by esseff44 » Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:47 pm

Some wedding cakes have longer lives than the marriages.



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Post by A Legal Lohengrin » Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:48 pm

(For the record, it appears to me that a combination of long-term financial mismanagement, shrinking marketshare, and the fatal blow of the union going on strike is what killed Twinkies. But wingnuts won't let facts get in their way so never mind all that.)It's possible and even likely Hostess could have been restored to long-term profitability by management that wanted to do that, but the company was purchased by vulture capitalists more interested in stripping the company for assets and deepening its insolvency until nothing more could be extracted, then liquidating.The union workers could have agreed to get utterly fucked for a couple more years to make life easier for the scumbags who bought the company out.But why? So the CEO could continue to draw a huge salary while the board continued voting itself huge bonuses while flushing the company down the toilet? So the vultures could peck a few more gobbets of flesh out of the corpse? No point. Fuck 'em.



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Post by Foggy » Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:59 pm

With all due regard for the workers, I don't think my children have any idea what Hostess products are.


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Post by Taverl » Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:04 pm

I enjoyed Ho-Hos when I was a kid (probably too much) but stopped eating any of those things decades ago.Several years ago, out of curiosity, I tried a Twinkie for the first time in eons.Took one bite and threw the rest away. It was vile. :sick: The sooner that kind of crap is off our store shelves and out of kids' lunchboxes, the better off we'll be.Now if you'll excuse me, I have a sugar-glazed donut from the independent shop down the street to enjoy. ;)



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Post by esseff44 » Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:44 pm

What we have in these cases are more cases of socializing the risks and capitalizing the profits. Hell, yeah, they believe in socialism. Let the middle class and low level way earners pick up the tab for unemployment and all the other fall out of the business closing down while they take their profits overseas waiting for the next big opportunity.Vultures is too good a name for them. Vultures have a important role in nature as described in Mike's example about feces and maggots.Vulture capitalists hide behind terms like 'creative destruction.' That's right up there with 'We had to destroy the village in order to save it.'Change is going to happen. Planned changes can be healthy. Transitions and adjustments can be made gradually and without loss. Hostess is beyond its expiration date.



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Post by A Legal Lohengrin » Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:27 pm

Vulture capitalists hide behind terms like 'creative destruction.' That's right up there with 'We had to destroy the village in order to save it.'The idea behind culling the herd of "unfit" businesses makes sense in a creative economy where new businesses spring up to replace it, or where such businesses are superfluous for whatever reason. That is not our economy. Our economy has descended into a kind of cannibalism where our businesses are being eviscerated and devoured and converted into nothing but profits for capitalists.They are not being replaced. The companies being destroyed are not even necessarily unprofitable. It is just that the parasites can reap a bigger short-term profit from destroying a corporation, and these rapacious ghouls just can't stand to wait a few years or decades as a profit-making enterprise continues to make profits.We basically have a pack of Visigoths roaming the land, looting and pillaging, and slaughtering the geese that lay the golden eggs.I have heard a comparison between this and old Venice, that the class of people who actually created things got replaced with their temporal equivalent of equity fund managers and the like, who eviscerated the local economy for short-term profits until they basically destroyed it for good. I don't know enough about Venice to say whether the analogy is apt.



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Post by neonzx » Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:30 pm

I could not tell you the last time I bought a Hostess Brands product. Can you?





Brands:





Baker's Inn


Beefsteak *


Blue Ribbon


Bread du Jour


Butternut Breads


Colombo


Cotton’s


Di Carlo


Drake's


Dolly Madison


Dutch Hearth


Eddy’s


Good Hearth


Holsom


Home Pride


Hostess


J.J. Nissen


Merita


Millbrook


Mrs. Cubbison’s


Nature's Pride


Parisian


Standish Farms


Sweetheart


Toscana


Wo





* I may have purchased Beefsteak bread in recent years.



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Post by MaineSkeptic » Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:43 pm

I could not tell you the last time I bought a Hostess Brands product. Can you?[selected from list][highlight]J.J. Nissen[/highlight]On the rare occasions when we buy packaged bread, mostly hamburger or hotdog rolls, this is one of the brands we may end up with. We've been pleased with it.



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Post by borealis » Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:46 pm

Some wedding cakes have longer lives than the marriages. =)) =)) =)) =)) And a Twinkie wedding cake could last a millenium.



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