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This is important enough for a topic and didn't see one. The compromise is out and its 370 pages. MAGA screamed for a border deal as a condition to support Israel and Ukraine. If they screw this up they deserve the full wrath of Americans. Nobody got everything they wanted here, there are some pretty tough border provisions. But it's been 20 years since we got this far and it's wrong to treat these human beings as political footballs the way the craven GOP has.


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House Intelligence Committee Chair Mike Turner (R-Ohio) said in a CBS "Face the Nation" interview on Sunday he is "very concerned" about moving forward on Israel aid alone. "I think that we really have four significant national security threats: We have Asia, we have Ukraine, we have Israel and ... of course, we have our border," Turner said, adding, "I do think that all these are coupled."






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I know the Republican whack-a-doodles don't want to pass any legislation which might help Biden, but that also means that they don't have anything to tout as an accomplishment of their own to run on. For 2/3 of the Senators who aren't running, maybe not a big deal. But every single Representative is up for election this fall. "The border situation is an EMERGENCY!" "But we won't pass anything for 11 months until Orange Jesus is sworn in." Huh? It's a Schrödinger Emergency. Both an emergency and not an emergency, depending on how you consider it. :roll:
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I wonder if this is the issue that will finally rend the Republican party in two.


Rep. Mike Thompson

The border security bill being negotiated by the Senate would be the toughest border bill in decades.

But now some of my GOP colleagues are saying they won't support it b/c they want to keep the crisis alive for political reasons. That's not leadership.
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MAGA Mike rips off Dave Wasserman:
Speaker Mike Johnson @SpeakerJohnson 18m
I’ve seen enough. This bill is even worse than we expected, and won’t come close to ending the border catastrophe the President has created. As the lead Democrat negotiator proclaimed: Under this legislation, “the border never closes.”

If this bill reaches the House, it will be dead on arrival.

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Is there a way to force the bill to the floor for a vote?
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Democratic member motion to Spill the speaker position?

Not just MAGA’s can use that house rule..
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This bill makes a lot of lefties mad. You'd think that might be enough to get MAGA to vote for it. They're too dumb to weaponize that and say "Democrats are turning against Biden!!"
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Rolodex wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 11:59 am This bill makes a lot of lefties mad. You'd think that might be enough to get MAGA to vote for it. They're too dumb to weaponize that and say "Democrats are turning against Biden!!"
Because this is not true "lefty rage." This is astroturfed to people who have been told what and who to be outraged about for years.

Remember how so many "lefties" were mad about Obamacare? And that somehow was turned into "Vote against the Democrats to teach them a lesson!!" Somehow they never ever start saying "be mad at Republicans."
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Wouldn't that be interesting if Biden wins the upcoming election and Democrats take both the House and the Senate? If this bill doesn't pass now, the Democrats might come up with one of their own that they would pass and the Republicans would hate. All because of Trump.
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Suranis wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 12:19 pm
Rolodex wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 11:59 am This bill makes a lot of lefties mad. You'd think that might be enough to get MAGA to vote for it. They're too dumb to weaponize that and say "Democrats are turning against Biden!!"
Because this is not true "lefty rage." This is astroturfed to people who have been told what and who to be outraged about for years.

Remember how so many "lefties" were mad about Obamacare? And that somehow was turned into "Vote against the Democrats to teach them a lesson!!" Somehow they never ever start saying "be mad at Republicans."
But that's the thing - it doesn't have to be true. They just repeat talking point from stupid sources. Look at all the traction from the doctor talking about demons having sex with people (or something like that). OTOH, I am friends with a couple of lawyers who practice immigration law and they're not particularly excited, but they are desperate for something. No bill will be perfect but the GOP has run on "fixing the border" for idk how many election cycles and somehow a bill never happens. They've lost abortion so it's all hands on deck for immigration (actually "border invasion!!).
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https://x.com/EliseStefanik/status/1754 ... 82705?s=20
Elise Stefanik @EliseStefanik wrote: Joint House Republican Leadership Statement on Senate Immigration Bill with Speaker @MikeJohnson, Leader @SteveScaliseGOP, and Whip @tomemmer:

“House Republicans oppose the Senate immigration bill because it fails in every policy area needed to secure our border and would actually incentivize more illegal immigration.

“Among its many flaws, the bill expands work authorizations for illegal aliens while failing to include critical asylum reforms. Even worse, its language allowing illegals to be ‘released from physical custody’ would effectively endorse the Biden ‘catch and release’ policy.

“The so-called ‘shutdown’ authority in the bill is anything but, riddled with loopholes that grant far too much discretionary authority to Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas – who has proven he will exploit every measure possible, in defiance of the law, to keep the border open.

“The bill also fails to adequately stop the President’s abuse of parole authority and provides for taxpayer funds to fly and house illegal immigrants in hotels through the FEMA Shelter and Services Program.

“Because President Biden has refused to utilize his broad executive authority to end the border catastrophe that he has created, the House led nine months ago with the passage of the Secure the Border Act (H.R. 2). That bill contains the necessary components to actually stem the flow of illegals and end the present crisis. The Senate must take it up immediately.

“America’s sovereignty is at stake.

“Any consideration of this Senate bill in its current form is a waste of time. It is DEAD on arrival in the House. We encourage the U.S. Senate to reject it.”
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I didn't think I had the capacity left to be appalled about, well, anything, at this point. But here we are.
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I think I would have gone with 'reprehensible' over 'appalling' but that's just me.
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Border patrol, no great fans of Biden, want this bill.

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The turtle has spoken.
https://x.com/mkraju/status/1754608055310819595?s=20
Manu Raju @mkraju wrote: Mitch McConnell, in the face of growing GOP opposition, pushes for action on national security package, which includes the bipartisan border deal.

“This is a humanitarian and security crisis of historic proportions,” he said. “And Senate Republicans have insisted — not just for months but for years — that this urgent crisis demanded action.”

“It is now time for Congress to take action on supplemental national security legislation that finally meets those challenges head on,” he said, adding; “Make no mistake, the gauntlet has been thrown and America needs to pick it up.”
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MAGA has lost FauxNews?
Acyn @Acyn wrote: Mace: This bill keeps the border wide open.

MacCallum:: Have you read all 370 pages of this bill?

Mace: We're working through it. It waters down the asylum laws

MacCallum: it’s exactly the opposite. That’s why I’m asking
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Highlights of the border deal from a Fox News border reporter.
Bill Melugin @BillMelugin_ wrote: NEW: My initial highlights from the border deal.

- No amnesty/legalization of anyone already in the U.S. illegally.

- Funds an increase in ICE detention capacity to approx. 50,000 from the current 34,000.

- At 7 day rolling average of 5,000 encounters per day, or 8,500 encounters in a single day, DHS is *required* to shut the border down, and turn away anyone who crosses. No new asylum claims will be allowed and anybody crossing will be removed. Would end the whole idea of "I made it to U.S. soil, you have to process me." That would be over, Border Patrol would not process the illegal crosser and they would be removed - no asylum claim permitted, unless its made at a port of entry.

- This does not mean 5,000 are "allowed in" before this authority kicks in. Single adults would be detained, families would be released via ATD (alternatives to detention), and asylum cases would be fast tracked to months rather than years under a new rapid/expedited expulsion system. Those who fail would be quickly removed from the US. Those who initially pass would be released with work authorization and 90 day supervision until final asylum claim is determined.

- The shut down authority doesn't drop until crossings decrease significantly in the days following the shut down.

- Significantly tougher asylum requirements, and a higher credible fear standard, including three bars to eligibility. 1) Criminal history, 2) Could they have resettled in another country on the way to the US? 3) Could they have resettled somewhere else in their own country? Just saying you're scared to return home will no longer be enough in initial interview.

- It *appears* that the legislation would move asylum claim decisions away from immigration judges, and instead have them be handled by USCIS.

- $1.4 billion in FEMA funding available for disbursement to NGOs/municipalities, but some of that money doesn't unlock until key border security metrics are hit with ICE detention beds, ICE & Border Patrol new hires, and at least 1,500 deportation flights.

- Ends use of parole releases via CBP One app, and ends parole for illegal crossers between ports of entry.

- Keeps humanitarian parole as it was originally intended (medical procedures, court cases, etc), and keeps the current Biden admin parole program in place for Cubans, Haitians, Venezuelans, and Nicaraguans.

- 50,000 new visas over 5 years.

- Fuding to hire hundreds more ICE deportation officers, Border Patrol agents, and USCIS asylum officers, and greatly increases number of deportation flights.

- No unaccompanied minors can be removed, and some of these minors will receive attorneys, either pro bono or taxpayer funded.

- Ends some catch and release, but not all (families and unaccompanied minors not detained).

- DHS will have 90 days to set this new system up before it takes effect.

- There is a provision in the bill that would allow the President to suspend the "shut down" authority.
It says: "Authorizes the President to suspend the border emergency on an emergency basis for up to 45 days if it is in the national interest."

Context: The border has seen at least 5,000 encounters almost every single day the last couple years under Biden. If this bill were signed into law, the border would likely be shut down on the first day it takes effect.

FOX is told by the architects of this legislation the status quo right now is when the border is overwhelmed, "release everyone". They say this bill switches that to, when the border is overwhelmed "remove everyone."

This legislation has provisions in it that will upset border hawks and immigration activists at the same time.

Now we wait to see how both Democrats & Republicans respond. So far, many House GOP members have expressed displeasure, and at least one Democrat Senator (Padilla) has as well.
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- It *appears* that the legislation would move asylum claim decisions away from immigration judges, and instead have them be handled by USCIS.
Interesting. The immigration courts already are Article I (not Article III) courts; technically, they are part of the US DOJ. So I wonder if this is real reform, or just reorganizing the org chart.
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https://x.com/ChrisMurphyCT/status/1754 ... 56602?s=20
Chris Murphy 🟧 @ChrisMurphyCT wrote: Did you mention it's just for unaccompanied children?

You know, 8 year old kids fleeing violence or certain death, who arrive at our border alone, shivering and frightened, traumatized from the journey, not able to speak the language.

We aren't monsters. We should help them.
Josh Hawley @HawleyMO wrote: Did I mention this border bill gives taxpayer funded lawyers to illegal immigrants
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Unfortunately Chris Murphy is wrong. Josh Hawley (and Trump, and Stefanik, and Johnson, and....the list goes on) are monsters.
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Story time.
BrooklynDad_Defiant!☮️ @mmpadellan wrote: Once upon a time, a house was on fire in a nice neighborhood.

Politically, it was a pretty mixed neighborhood, almost perfectly split down the middle between Republicans and Democrats. But there was a house on fire that threatened to set the rest of the neighborhood on fire.

So the owner of the house called 911.

The fire department showed up, and spoke to the owner of the house on fire, who was a Republican. He was the one who called the fire department in the first place.

The owner of the house looked at the fireman, and said "Wait a minute... you're a Democrat, aren't you?"

The fireman, incredulous, answered "Yes I am, sir, but you need to get out of the way if you want us to put that fire out. I mean, you called us, said it was an emergency."

The rest of the neighborhood was shouting at the owner, whose name was MAGA Mike, to let the fireman put out the fire.

But MAGA Mike had just gotten a text from some jackass who was running to be the head of the neighborhood association who told him to make sure no Democrats help put out the fire.

They decided they would just wait for a Republican fireman to put out the fire.

So, he sent the fireman away, and his house burned down as well as a bunch of other houses.

And, when it was time to pick a leader of the neighborhood association, everyone in the entire neighborhood remembered how that jackass had the fireman sent away, and they ran him the fuck out of town.

THE END.
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Senate GOP correcting lying House GOP.
https://x.com/AndrewDesiderio/status/17 ... 85217?s=20
Andrew Desiderio @AndrewDesiderio wrote: 👀 Senate GOP leadership aide points out factual inaccuracies in House GOP leadership statement

White text is House GOP statement, red text is Senate GOP leadership aide rebuttal
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Goddamn it, pardon my French, but fuck these fucking fucks.
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What an asshole.
Acyn @Acyn wrote: Ingraham: The border patrol union has said, come out and said the bill is better than the status quo.

Johnson: I think it does have something to do with the pay structure that's in the bill.

Ingraham: *laughs*
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