Hillary Rodham Clinton vs. Donald John Trump 2016

Who Will Win The 2016 US Presidential Election?

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From PPP, the last graph is epic, yay President Obama:
August 01, 2016
Clinton has narrow lead in Pennsylvania

PPP's newest Pennsylvania poll, conducted entirely after the Democratic convention, finds Hillary Clinton with a narrow lead in the state. She's at 45% to 42% for Donald Trump, 4% for Gary Johnson, and 2% for Jill Stein. In a head to head match up just with Trump she leads by 4 points at 49-45.

Both polls- in Pennsylvania and nationally- PPP has done since the Democratic convention basically suggest that the race is back where it was in June. In late June we had Clinton up 46-42 on Trump head to head in Pennsylvania and 48-44 nationally. Clinton now leads 49-45 in Pennsylvania and 50-45 nationally so it appears everything that happened in the month of July had minimal effect on the margins between Clinton and Trump, it just helped move some undecided partisans skeptical of their party's nominees off the fence and toward the candidates they likely would have ended up with anyway.

Hillary Clinton's seen a decent improvement in her image over the last couple months in Pennsylvania. At the beginning of June she had a -21 net favorability rating in the state at 35/56, and that's now improved 8 points to -13 at 40/53. Like we saw nationally Trump's had an improvement in his numbers too but it's not as good as Clinton's- he was at -25 at 34/59 in early June and has now shifted up to -20 at 36/56 for a net 5 point improvement.

We've done three public polls in the last 10 days and they all tell the same story when it comes to undecideds: they're Democratic leaning voters who still just don't like Hillary Clinton. In Pennsylvania the undecideds would prefer Barack Obama as President to Donald Trump by 30 points, nationally the undecideds would prefer Obama to Trump by 49 points, and in Ohio the undecideds would prefer Obama to Trump by 30 points. It's clear the undecideds prefer the current direction of the country to the vastly different one Trump is offering. And the pool of voters who continue to be undecided like Bernie Sanders- he has a 38/27 favorability rating with them in Pennsylvania and a 70/18 one nationally. These folks certainly don't like Trump- a 5/58 favorability rating in Pennsylvania, a 2/89 one nationally, and a 5/71 one in Ohio. But they don't like Clinton either- a 5/64 favorability in Pennsylvania, a 4/83 one nationally, and an 8/64 one in Ohio. The convention didn't immediately fix that, and it remains to be seen if having Obama and Sanders as strong surrogates for her can on the campaign trail.Overall voters would rather have another term of Obama than Trump 51/44, so Obama and Clinton just have to work together to get the holdouts who like the country's current path in her column.
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bob wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:A group of states (with at least 270 electoral votes) can pass laws to give their EVs to the national popular vote winner.
(Still) Not. Gonna. Happen.
California, Texas and New York would gain relevancy (or representation anyway) under this system, not lose it.
E.g., California and New York together account for nearly a third of the electoral votes necessary to win a majority. (Presently, the 11 most populous states could decide every election.*) No one is giving up that kind of power.


* The 14 least populous states (excluding DC) -- the ones who can block an amendment -- have 51 electoral votes.
And yet California, New York, Illinois, and New Jersey have all already passed it. So PLEASE stop saying no one is giving up that power.
The bill has been enacted by 11 jurisdictions possessing 165 electoral votes—61% of the 270 electoral votes necessary to activate it, including four small jurisdictions (RI, VT, HI, DC), three medium- size states (MD, MA, WA), and four big states (NJ, IL, NY, CA).
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That agreement is a looooooong way from becoming enacted or effective. So, no state has given up anything yet.


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TollandRCR wrote:538.com
Who will win the Presidency?
Chance of winning
Hillary Clinton 49.9%
Donald Trump 50.1%
Currently at:

Hillary Clinton: 66.1%
Donald Trump: 33.9%


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esseff44 wrote:That agreement is a looooooong way from becoming enacted or effective. So, no state has given up anything yet.
Exactly. The last state to sign the compact was New York in 2014. The compact hasn't even cleared a legislature since. (The compact certainly isn't going to affect the 2016 election -- the topic of this thread.)


The map also suggests it isn't a good idea for the Democrats to press it further. The 11 states that have signed the compact (CA, NY, IL, NJ, WA, MA, MD, HI, RI, VT, and DC) all voted for the Democratic nominee in every presidential election since 1992.

In 2012, for example, those 11 states provided Obama with 165 electoral votes. Back-of-an-envelope calculations say splitting the electoral vote along the popular vote, however, would have given 65 of those electoral votes to Romney. Which would have given Romney a total of ... 271 electoral votes.

I assume the DNC has people who can do math, and I also assume it has sufficient connections to the various statehouses. Which is why I conclude the NPV is effectively DOA.


Now the compact is designed to not take effect until a majority of the electoral votes are in the pot, so the Republicans can't just run in and scoop up those 65 electoral votes sitting on the table -- but perhaps they should. If solid Republican states could contribute 105 electoral votes, the compact would kick in, and the Republicans would sacrifice around 35 of those solid red electoral votes to gain the 65 electoral votes the Democrats have on the table -- a net of around 30 electoral votes for future Republican candidates.


And the compact won't even have its desired effect if the "battleground" states aren't included. If states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, and North Carolina aren't playing, the campaigns will continue to focus on those states because the cost/benefit of picking up a winner-take-all-state outweighs the trench warfare to snipe an extra electoral vote in a NPV state.


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I agree there is no need for California and New York to participate any further if the goal is to elect a Democrat. And once Texas and Georgia go purple, game's up.


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bob wrote:
esseff44 wrote:That agreement is a looooooong way from becoming enacted or effective. So, no state has given up anything yet.
Exactly. The last state to sign the compact was New York in 2014. The compact hasn't even cleared a legislature since. (The compact certainly isn't going to affect the 2016 election -- the topic of this thread.)


The map also suggests it isn't a good idea for the Democrats to press it further. The 11 states that have signed the compact (CA, NY, IL, NJ, WA, MA, MD, HI, RI, VT, and DC) all voted for the Democratic nominee in every presidential election since 1992.

In 2012, for example, those 11 states provided Obama with 165 electoral votes. Back-of-an-envelope calculations say splitting the electoral vote along the popular vote, however, would have given 65 of those electoral votes to Romney. Which would have given Romney a total of ... 271 electoral votes.

I assume the DNC has people who can do math, and I also assume it has sufficient connections to the various statehouses. Which is why I conclude the NPV is effectively DOA.


Now the compact is designed to not take effect until a majority of the electoral votes are in the pot, so the Republicans can't just run in and scoop up those 65 electoral votes sitting on the table -- but perhaps they should. If solid Republican states could contribute 105 electoral votes, the compact would kick in, and the Republicans would sacrifice around 35 of those solid red electoral votes to gain the 65 electoral votes the Democrats have on the table -- a net of around 30 electoral votes for future Republican candidates.


And the compact won't even have its desired effect if the "battleground" states aren't included. If states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, and North Carolina aren't playing, the campaigns will continue to focus on those states because the cost/benefit of picking up a winner-take-all-state outweighs the trench warfare to snipe an extra electoral vote in a NPV state.
You don't understand the compact. If it had been in effect in 2012 then President Obama would have received all 165 of those electoral votes regardless of how the individual states voted---that's the point. Once 270 EVs worth of states sign on, the popular vote would ALWAYS determine the election result.


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Slartibartfast wrote:Once 270 EVs worth of states sign on, the popular vote would ALWAYS determine the election result.
Hokay. But the compact could, in addition to eliminating the relatively uncommon result of winning the popular vote yet losing the electoral college (e.g., 2000), distort results. E.g., 2004 was a close election: GWB won with 62 million votes (50.7%) and 286 Electoral Votes (53.2%). If the compact was in effect in 2004, the current member states would have given GWB an additional 171 Electoral Votes. The result would have been same, but it would have looked like a landslide (457 Electoral Votes (and likely more, depending on which other states were in the compact)) when the popular vote was actually very close. The Electoral College already tends to magnify the margin of victory; the compact would further than trend.

GWB would have won either way, but the cries of "mandate!" would have been stronger. (Whether that translates to actual political capital is a different discussion.)


In any event, there's no compact in play in 2016. And, as George Will noted years ago, 18 states (and DC) have voted Democratic in every election since 1992; they presently control 242 Electoral Votes. In contrast, 13 states (102 Electoral Votes) have voted Republican since 1992. Leaving 19 states (194 Electoral Votes) in neither column. "All" Clinton has to do is find the last 28 from those 194.


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bob wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:Once 270 EVs worth of states sign on, the popular vote would ALWAYS determine the election result.
Hokay. But the compact could, in addition to eliminating the relatively uncommon result of winning the popular vote yet losing the electoral college (e.g., 2000), distort results. E.g., 2004 was a close election: GWB won with 62 million votes (50.7%) and 286 Electoral Votes (53.2%). If the compact was in effect in 2004, the current member states would have given GWB an additional 171 Electoral Votes. The result would have been same, but it would have looked like a landslide (457 Electoral Votes (and likely more, depending on which other states were in the compact)) when the popular vote was actually very close. The Electoral College already tends to magnify the margin of victory; the compact would further than trend.

GWB would have won either way, but the cries of "mandate!" would have been stronger. (Whether that translates to actual political capital is a different discussion.)


In any event, there's no compact in play in 2016. And, as George Will noted years ago, 18 states (and DC) have voted Democratic in every election since 1992; they presently control 242 Electoral Votes. In contrast, 13 states (102 Electoral Votes) have voted Republican since 1992. Leaving 19 states (194 Electoral Votes) in neither column. "All" Clinton has to do is find the last 28 from those 194.
I don't think anyone cares about "landslides" in the Electoral College when everyone is then focusing on who wins the popular vote. The popular vote itself would then become the important factor in determining whether there was a landslide. (And we'll still have political archeologists telling us what the count would be without the National Popular Vote statutes.)


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I just got back from a long weekend with an old college friend. She is a die-hard Republican, and she is refusing to vote for him. I tried to talk her into voting for Hillary, but she's drank the Hillary Hate Kool-Aid and won't vote for her. She's voting for the Libertarian Candidate instead.

But what I found really interesting was her reaction when I gave her the "you can't let Trump win" speech. She insisted that Trump is not going to win, and kind of implied that if she thought it would make a difference, she would reconsider her vote. Similarly, my Bernie or Bust friend has said she's considering voting for Stein. When I gave her the "we must stand together against Trump"speech, she also argued that her vote wouldn't make a difference because we don't live in a swing state.

I wonder if a lot of the Johnson and Stein supporters will change their mind and vote for Hillary if its close in the polls. My big fear is that we will end up in a Brexit scenario where everyone is counting on everyone else to do the right thing, so they waste their vote on a vanity candidate. I'm hoping more republicans take their responsibility seriously, instead of counting on everyone else to stop Trump.


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Quick mention of the Green Party here since a lot of the polling is including all four candidates and based on this probably can just poll three. Jill Stein couldn't get Nina Turner so she went for.... Baraka Obama Hakuna Matata Ajamu Baraka!
Jill Stein selects Ajamu Baraka as running mate
By Tyler Pager 08/02/16 11:19 AM EDT

Jill Stein has selected human rights activist Ajamu Baraka as her running mate, the Green Party presumptive nominee's campaign announced Monday.

Baraka was the founding executive director of the U.S. Human Rights Network and coordinator of the Black Left Unity Network’s Committee on International Affairs. He has also served on the boards of Amnesty International and the National Center for Human Rights Education.
This should go over well with the Sanders supporters and the rest of us in the, "corrupt, degenerate, white supremacist monstrosity called the United States." :dazed: Great try Jill, but maybe no.
The Yemen Tragedy and the Ongoing Crisis of the Left in the United States
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This is the world that a President Sanders promises—continued war crimes from the sky with drone strikes and Saudi led terror in support of the Western imperial project. This is not to suggest that everyone who might find a way to support Sanders is a closet racist and supporter of imperialism. I know plenty of folks of all backgrounds who “feel the Bern.” There is, however, an objective logic to their uncritical support that they cannot escape and which I believe represents the ongoing crisis of radicalism in the U.S. and Europe.
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It means that if today leftists in the U.S. can find a way to reconcile the suffering of the people of Yemen and Gaza and all of occupied Palestine for the greater good of electing Sanders, tomorrow my life and the movement that I am a part of that is committed to fighting this corrupt, degenerate, white supremacist monstrosity called the United States, can be labeled as enemies of the state and subjected to brutal repression with the same level of silence from these leftists.
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Baraka is a certified conspiracy nutcase with bizarre conspiracies. Perfect for Jill Stein. It really shows how much she wants to govern get personal publicity.


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Orlylicious wrote:From PPP, the last graph is epic, yay President Obama:
August 01, 2016
Clinton has narrow lead in Pennsylvania

PPP's newest Pennsylvania poll, conducted entirely after the Democratic convention, finds Hillary Clinton with a narrow lead in the state. She's at 45% to 42% for Donald Trump, 4% for Gary Johnson, and 2% for Jill Stein. In a head to head match up just with Trump she leads by 4 points at 49-45.

Both polls- in Pennsylvania and nationally- PPP has done since the Democratic convention basically suggest that the race is back where it was in June. In late June we had Clinton up 46-42 on Trump head to head in Pennsylvania and 48-44 nationally. Clinton now leads 49-45 in Pennsylvania and 50-45 nationally so it appears everything that happened in the month of July had minimal effect on the margins between Clinton and Trump, it just helped move some undecided partisans skeptical of their party's nominees off the fence and toward the candidates they likely would have ended up with anyway.

Hillary Clinton's seen a decent improvement in her image over the last couple months in Pennsylvania. At the beginning of June she had a -21 net favorability rating in the state at 35/56, and that's now improved 8 points to -13 at 40/53. Like we saw nationally Trump's had an improvement in his numbers too but it's not as good as Clinton's- he was at -25 at 34/59 in early June and has now shifted up to -20 at 36/56 for a net 5 point improvement.

We've done three public polls in the last 10 days and they all tell the same story when it comes to undecideds: they're Democratic leaning voters who still just don't like Hillary Clinton. In Pennsylvania the undecideds would prefer Barack Obama as President to Donald Trump by 30 points, nationally the undecideds would prefer Obama to Trump by 49 points, and in Ohio the undecideds would prefer Obama to Trump by 30 points. It's clear the undecideds prefer the current direction of the country to the vastly different one Trump is offering. And the pool of voters who continue to be undecided like Bernie Sanders- he has a 38/27 favorability rating with them in Pennsylvania and a 70/18 one nationally. These folks certainly don't like Trump- a 5/58 favorability rating in Pennsylvania, a 2/89 one nationally, and a 5/71 one in Ohio. But they don't like Clinton either- a 5/64 favorability in Pennsylvania, a 4/83 one nationally, and an 8/64 one in Ohio. The convention didn't immediately fix that, and it remains to be seen if having Obama and Sanders as strong surrogates for her can on the campaign trail.Overall voters would rather have another term of Obama than Trump 51/44, so Obama and Clinton just have to work together to get the holdouts who like the country's current path in her column.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/polls/

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No OrlyPoll analysis of this yet... Will Fox News become another dishonest pollster for OrlyPolls? The CNN panel with David Gergen said really unless there's dramatic change... but that's not him, that won't happen. They knew that. They're openly calling for Newt Gingrich to "intervene." I'm with Corey, he should birf and keep going! :P
Fox News Poll: Clinton leads Trump by 10 points, both seen as flawed
By Dana Blanton Published August 03, 2016 FoxNews.com

Sixty-one percent of voters think Hillary Clinton is dishonest, yet she’s opened up a big lead over Donald Trump in the latest Fox News Poll.

Here’s why: majorities think Clinton is nevertheless qualified to be president, and has the temperament and knowledge to serve effectively. It’s the opposite for Trump: over half feel he is not qualified, and lacks the temperament or knowledge to lead the country. And his 62 percent dishonesty rating tops hers.

After the conventions, the Clinton-Kaine ticket leads the Trump-Pence ticket by 10 points (49-39 percent) in the race for the White House. Clinton’s advantage is outside the poll’s margin of error. A month ago, Clinton was up by six points (44-38 percent, June 26-28).
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Roy_L_Fuchs an hour ago

Trump's biggest problem at this point is, Hillary is a known quantity. Everyone knows she's a liar. She lied about the emails. She lied about Benghazi, and to the Benghazi families. Everyone knows this. She is on the take, and for sale to the highest bidder. Everyone knows this, and yet she's still 10 points clear in a poll sponsored by the most Trump favorable media outlet anywhere.

Trump can't make up the deficit by trashing Hillary. We already hate Hillary. Nothing Trump says or does will make me think any less of Hillary. He has to convince the electorate he's competent. Not his strong suit.

mareeder •2 hours ago

This is the new Fox poll I referenced in an earlier post. Taken in combination with all of the others, it tells you that Trump is not just behind; he's falling like a rock.
Some of this is a convention bounce but a lot of it's voters making an early decision that Trump is simply unfit by character, temperament and preparation to be President. They're right of course; the guy is as nutty as a pecan orchard. Still, you'll probably see Trump and Hillary each go up and down a bit over the next few weeks, based on the news cycle and polling error/methodology.
However, the die appears to be cast, and you can expect to see these early results consolidate into a 10-15 point lead by a week or two before election day. The real panic is going to set in when NBC reports next week that Trump is falling dramatically behind in swing states. That's to be expected, since they are always a lagging indicator behind the national polls, but almost always track them, too. What that means is that Republican senatorial candidates in purple states and congressional candidates in soft districts are going to start being dragged down by Trump. It will be interesting to see how Republican "leaders" react when they they know beyond a doubt that Trump is going to cost them not just the senate, but perhaps even the house.
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Today's polls from RCP, good thing Trump said this week is going great! I'm excited to see OrlyPolling on these.
Thursday, August 4

RCP Poll Average 47.4 41.5 Clinton +5.9 Trending Up

Favorability Ratings -13.3 -22.6 Clinton +9.3

Betting Odds 77.0 23.0

Race/Topic (Click to Sort) Poll Results Spread
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein Rasmussen Reports Clinton 44, Trump 40, Johnson 6, Stein 3 Clinton +4

Pennsylvania: Trump vs. Clinton Franklin & Marshall Clinton 49, Trump 38 Clinton +11

Michigan: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein Detroit News/WDIV-TV Clinton 41, Trump 32, Johnson 8, Stein 3 Clinton +9

New Hampshire: Trump vs. Clinton WBUR/MassINC Clinton 51, Trump 34 Clinton +17

New Hampshire: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein WBUR/MassINC Clinton 47, Trump 32, Johnson 8, Stein 3 Clinton +15

Pennsylvania Senate - Toomey vs. McGinty Franklin & Marshall Toomey 38, McGinty 39 McGinty +1

New Hampshire Senate - Ayotte vs. Hassan WBUR/MassINC Hassan 50, Ayotte 40 Hassan +10

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I'll be delighted if Trump can drag Toomey down in PA. Go Katie!!!


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A big part of this is taking states off the map and foreclosing Trump's electoral map. Tim Kaine in VA was that kind of step, Trump needs VA. Now it looks like Colorado is getting further out of reach...
Trump's shrinking electoral map
There are growing signs that Colorado, a key Western swing state, is no longer in play.
By Gabriel Debenedetti 08/04/16 05:32 AM EDT
A pollster says of Hillary Clinton: “I’m inclined to believe that she’s probably going to easily lock up the West sometime over the next month or

COMMERCE CITY, Colo. — The 2016 battleground map may soon have one less state on it. With a clear lead in the polls, demographic advantages and a rival who is out of sync with local GOP leaders, Hillary Clinton is beginning to put some distance between her campaign and Donald Trump, raising the prospect that Colorado, a pivotal swing state, is too far gone for Trump to catch up.
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For Trump, it’s a worrisome sign of a narrowing electoral path to victory. At the outset of the election cycle, the GOP nominee already confronted what appeared to be a Democratic advantage in the Electoral College. The potential loss of a key Western swing state leaves even less margin for error in November, increasing the urgency of winning the big prizes of Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida.
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Trump’s camp contends that the sunny reading of the Colorado landscape from Democrats is a fundamental misunderstanding of the Republican nominee’s appeal.

“They stopped spending money here, I don’t think they’re confident about Colorado at all. Clinton is here to shore up her base, she would not be here if she was confident,” said Trump state director Patrick Davis. “The demographics that she’s referring to are from 2008 and 2012. This is a completely different electorate. Donald Trump has completely reorganized the electorate. Her math is wrong. He is attracting people who have not voted in a general election in the last ten years, bringing them back to politics."
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/c ... map-226653

We'll see, he'll get back on his feet and it's still a very competitive race, we can't take anything for granted. But these are encouraging signs.


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Not so fast Patrick Davis. This is a first!

Colorado Republican congressman breaks with Trump in new campaign ad
U.S. Rep. Mike Coffman, R-Aurora, criticizes Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump in a new TV ad.

“People ask me, ‘What do you think about Trump?’” Coffman says in the ad. “Honestly, I don’t care for him much.”

“My duty is always to you. So if Donald Trump is the president, I’ll stand up to him. Plain and simple.”

Coffman, a veteran of both the U.S. Army and the U.S. Marine Corps, is the first House Republican to use explicitly anti-Trump messaging in paid advertising, Politico reports. The ad is scheduled to begin airing Friday and Coffman also plans to release a Spanish-language version, Politico reports.


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Orlylicious wrote:A big part of this is taking states off the map and foreclosing Trump's electoral map. Tim Kaine in VA was that kind of step, Trump needs VA. Now it looks like Colorado is getting further out of reach...

We'll see, he'll get back on his feet and it's still a very competitive race, we can't take anything for granted. But these are encouraging signs.
I live in Colorado Springs. You know: the place with the Clinton supporting fire marshal. (Hah!) I have yet to see a Trump bumper sticker. Anecdotal evidence, but interesting. I don't even see many anti-Obama bumper stickers any more.


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Orlylicious wrote:A big part of this is taking states off the map and foreclosing Trump's electoral map.
It will also be good to put states like NC (and now even GA) in play to force Trump to divert attention away from the Rust Belt states. And even as to the latter, Trump may be slow on getting organized. For example: https://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/trump- ... al-winner/

It's being reported Trump is catching up on fundraising. But it remains to be seen how wisely those monies are spent.


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I don't think it's as close as is being reported (don't worry Fortinbras, I won't get cocky and I just sent Mrs. Clinton some dough) and the GOTV calculus is not even being considered.

But Julian Assange and the Russians still have some dirty tricks up their sleeves.


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Orlylicious wrote:


“They stopped spending money here, I don’t think they’re confident about Colorado at all. Clinton is here to shore up her base, she would not be here if she was confident,” said Trump state director Patrick Davis. “The demographics that she’s referring to are from 2008 and 2012. This is a completely different electorate. Donald Trump has completely reorganized the electorate. Her math is wrong. He is attracting people who have not voted in a general election in the last ten years, bringing them back to politics."
:lol: Fucking. Delusional. :lol:


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The dreadful October Surprise could raise its awful head and disrupt the whole thing. However, Trump is so compulsive about focusing on his petty grievances, the GOP strategists are going crazy because he has not been picking up on the opportunities to trash Hillary or Obama on things like slow economic growth. Trump is not going to get into wonky policy fights. He can only speak in hyperbole. It's the only language he knows.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_surprise

Have you noticed how everything is really, really big or very, very small? There's nothing in the middle in Trumpese.


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