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Post by Fortinbras » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:21 pm

(1) This so-called dossier of alleged scandalous secrets which somehow the Russians couldn't keep secret is now the Liberals' version of fake news.

(2) Very probably, even as we speak, some porn movie producers are trying to churn out flicks with Trump-lookalikes and, for all I know, at least one of them (more likely a half-dozen of them) will be trying to peddle these as The Real Russian Spy Film.

(3) Trump has reset the bar for presidential behavior so very very low that unless there's a film that clearly shows him with either a dead woman or a live little boy the American public will ignore it .... and if there is a film so bad, the mainstream media will not dare to describe it or show unamibuously.

(4) And, yes, if the Russians were holding such a film over Trump's head they would deny it ... until they unleash it (probably through some non-Russian medium). Whether it is the best strategy for The Don to deny such a thing now or to blunt it by admitting it in advance is something I cannot guess.

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Post by Sugar Magnolia » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:26 pm

Fortinbras wrote:(1) This so-called dossier of alleged scandalous secrets which somehow the Russians couldn't keep secret is now the Liberals' version of fake news.
So, no difference between a government intelligence report and Brietbart to you?

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Post by RoadScholar » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:39 pm

I'm saying it happened until I see credible information contrary.
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Post by Foggy » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:39 pm

Fortinbras wrote:(2) Very probably, even as we speak, some porn movie producers are trying to churn out flicks with Trump-lookalikes and, for all I know, at least one of them (more likely a half-dozen of them) will be trying to peddle these as The Real Russian Spy Film.
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Post by RoadScholar » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:42 pm

Porn using Trump lookalikes? Who the hell would watch that?

Unless of couse it were marketed as an emetic. :sick:
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Post by Foggy » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:42 pm

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Post by Dallasite » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:45 pm

Trump's attorneys were named "Russia Attorney of the Year" in 2016.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/11/politics/ ... rm-russia/
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Post by Sluffy1 » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:04 pm

some porn movie producers are trying to churn out flicks
Pron guys make up good titles... my fav is Shaving Ryans Privates,

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Post by maydijo » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:05 pm

Fortinbras wrote:
(4) And, yes, if the Russians were holding such a film over Trump's head they would deny it ... until they unleash it (probably through some non-Russian medium). Whether it is the best strategy for The Don to deny such a thing now or to blunt it by admitting it in advance is something I cannot guess.
Trump being Trump, in a few months he'll admit it, and then say that it's old news, everyone already knew about it, what the hell is our problem, it doesn't matter, it's time to move on, blah blah blah . . .and all of his little minions will be all, "Yeah, so what if Trump is Putin's puppet, at least he didn't line up all the American ambassadors at Benghazi and shoot them all like Hillary did!"

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Post by Suranis » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:19 pm

You are at least 6 months too late with the Donald Tramp porno line. Just saying

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Post by Mikedunford » Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:41 am

Sugar Magnolia wrote:
Fortinbras wrote:(1) This so-called dossier of alleged scandalous secrets which somehow the Russians couldn't keep secret is now the Liberals' version of fake news.
So, no difference between a government intelligence report and Brietbart to you?
The dossier isn't a government report - it was compiled by a retired spook and his firm, who were doing paid opposition research. The guy apparently has a good reputation, but wasn't working for any government.
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Mikedunford wrote:
Sugar Magnolia wrote:
Fortinbras wrote:(1) This so-called dossier of alleged scandalous secrets which somehow the Russians couldn't keep secret is now the Liberals' version of fake news.
So, no difference between a government intelligence report and Brietbart to you?
The dossier isn't a government report - it was compiled by a retired spook and his firm, who were doing paid opposition research. The guy apparently has a good reputation, but wasn't working for any government.
:yeah:

I know some of this stuff has already been debunked like the guy who was supposed to have been in Prague but says he never was. But “what if”, and I know that’s a BIG stretch, but what if some portions of this document are accurate and can somehow be verified? We do know none of it has been verified, but we don’t know that it all can’t be.

Before this ever hit the fan I'm sure I’m not the only one who had very strong suspicions that some kind of deep shit was going on with Russia, and I'm still not satisfied that Comey did not do what he did to Clinton of his own accord. Watching the video of a tortured face as he broke long-standing protocols both with speaking publicly at the conclusion of the investigation when he injected his “opinion” of Clintons “careless” behavior, and when he released info of “possible new Clinton emails found on child sexter Anthony Weiner’s laptop” days before the election, even after he had been advised by his superiors not to do it. Why would he do something like that? The claim is he was trying to cover his own ass, but I just don’t buy that, there was something more going on with that and I don’t get the feeling he was very happy about being stuck in the middle of whatever it was, or that he had any choice about. And funny enough as it turns out he is the one that did exactly what Russia was trying to do and flipped the election to Trump.

Just as a matter of interest, what if any of this stuff truly could be confirmed, what in doG’s name would happen them?
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Post by Addie » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:54 am

There's also at least one independent source for some of it. A security service in Eastern Europe, who came forward to MI6 separately and I think to another country, possibly Germany, that the Russians were holding damaging information to blackmail Trump. A BBC reporter heard from a US intelligence officer that there is video and audio evidence. Further, the unnamed former British Ambassador to Moscow, who was in Halifax pointing McCain to the dossier, could well have had his own information pipeline while in Moscow.

While the intel may be rough in spots, I'd hardly call it Fake News.
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Post by Dallasite » Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:21 am

BBC claims a second source backs up Trump dossier
BBC correspondent Paul Wood came forward Wednesday to reveal that there are multiple intelligence sources alleging Russia is in possession of potentially embarrassing or compromising material regarding President-elect Donald Trump. Formerly, only a single source was known to have been aware of the alleged material.

"I saw the report, compiled by the former British intelligence officer, back in October," Wood said. "He is not, and this is the crucial thing, the only source for this.” The Wall Street Journalalleges the British source is Christopher Steele, a director of the London-based Orbis Business Intelligence Ltd.

A member of the U.S. intelligence community also told Wood that "at least one East European intelligence service was aware 'that the Russians had kompromat or compromising material on Mr. Trump,'" Raw Story reports. Wood said that he "got a message back" from the U.S. intelligence community member and that there is reportedly "more than one tape, not just video, but audio as well, on more than one date, in more than one place, in both Moscow and St. Petersburg."
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Post by bob » Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:40 am

In this long N.Y. Magazine piece about Kushner, there's this nugget:
Back when Trump was spinning birther conspiracy theories, which were lapped up by gullible Republicans, one person who talked to Kushner says he offered assurances that his father-in-law didn’t really believe that stuff.
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Post by Foggy » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:30 pm

Well yeah, much more comforting to think he was only spreading birtherism because he's a racist liar. I feel all better! :blink:
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Post by kate520 » Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:37 pm

Is there such a thing as Teflon slime? If there is, I bet it's orange.
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Post by MsDaisy » Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:42 pm

Not sure where to even put this but as I mentioned it in this thread this morning here we go…..

DOJ Watchdog To Probe Comey's Pre-Election Actions
The Justice Department’s inspector general announced Thursday that he would investigate a number of FBI and Justice Department decisions leading up to the 2016 election, most prominently FBI Director James Comey’s announcement of a potential development in the dormant probe into Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server ten days prior to Election Day.

According to a statement published Thursday, Justice Department inspector general Michael Horowitz would investigate allegations “leading up to or relating to” announcements from FBI Director James Comey on July 5, Oct. 28, and Nov. 6, to determine if “underlying investigative decisions were based on improper considerations, among other things.

On July 5, the FBI announced it would not recommend criminal charges against Hillary Clinton after its investigation into her use of a private email server as secretary of state. On Oct. 28, just days before the presidential election, Comey announced that the agency would look into emails discovered in an unrelated case that he said may have been related to the probe into Clinton’s email server. On Nov. 6, just two days before Election Day, he announced that those emails had been reviewed and did not change his decision not to recommend charges against Clinton.

White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said the White House had not been involved with Horowitz's decision to pursue an investigation.
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Post by maydijo » Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:28 pm

Can someone provide a source for the statement that it's been proven Trump's lawyer was never in Prague? All I can find is that he tweeted a picture of his passport and said he'd never been . . . But a passport cover means nothing, and I've entered countries before and not had my passport stamped, so unless he's actually got hard proof he was somewhere else, I'm not willing to take his word for it. After all, the guy works for Tromp, it's safe to assume he has no moral compass and doesn't mind lying.

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Post by maydijo » Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:31 pm

Also, the Alfa Bank thing is interesting. It was a server at Alfa Bank that was in near-constant communication with a server at Trump Towers during the campaign.

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Post by Mikedunford » Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:31 pm

maydijo wrote:Can someone provide a source for the statement that it's been proven Trump's lawyer was never in Prague? All I can find is that he tweeted a picture of his passport and said he'd never been . . . But a passport cover means nothing, and I've entered countries before and not had my passport stamped, so unless he's actually got hard proof he was somewhere else, I'm not willing to take his word for it. After all, the guy works for Tromp, it's safe to assume he has no moral compass and doesn't mind lying.
He was in Europe (Italy) in July, but I believe there are now witnesses who have come forward who account for his time during the specific week in August that's mentioned in the document. No links right now, sorry, but I saw something to that effect yesterday - I think one of the witnesses was his son's college baseball coach, something like that.
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Post by maydijo » Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:32 pm

Thanks Mike, I missed that report. Still, doesn't mean the meeting didn't happen...

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Post by Mikedunford » Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:31 pm

maydijo wrote:Thanks Mike, I missed that report. Still, doesn't mean the meeting didn't happen...
Correct. The report is devilishly hard to disprove. It's a work of art in that regard.
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Post by TexasFilly » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:00 pm

So, my question is, which Republican primary candidate was Mr. Steele working for? My husband guessed Jeb! because he had the money, but I'm guessing it was a Senator a little closer to (our) home. Also, too, I saw the guy who used to be Lyin' Ted's spokesman (got fired for some reason I can't remember) on tee vee yesterday. Dude said the presser was a disaster and talked about the "dossier" on Trump with some enthusiasm. So, I think Ted's had a copy for some time now.
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Post by Addie » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:31 pm

I've only seen Jeb!, without a hard source, so far. But I think Mr. Filly's probably right.

PS BBC did report it was Jeb!, but then retracted.
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