kate520 wrote:If he does even one thing before the inauguration to repudiate the Alt.Rt. or extend a hand - not just one finger, the whole hand - to the rest of us in conciliation, I will give him consideration. But I don't expect that, that's not what I've seen so far. So nah, I don't think so for now.
He won't have to, Paul Fucking Ryan's got his back.RoadScholar wrote:This Just In:
Local news station WUSA 9 reports that some students found the message “KILL KILL KILL BLACKS” written inside a bathroom late last week at the Sligo Creek Elementary School in Silver Spring, Maryland.
Thanks, Trump.
I say if he's going to do anything awful he's going to have to do it against a rip-tide of obstruction and harsh dissent, just like Obama had to go through to do anything good.
I don't want a racist, egotistical, demagogue leading our country. I'm going to spend the next four years finding a way to get him out of office.Howard_Kahn wrote:How about instead of trying to find weakness in an opponent and trying to take advantage of it we do what President Obama and Hillary Clinton asked us to and try and make a smooth transition and help him succeed.Adrianinflorida wrote:I don't see it as celebrating, as such, more like finding a weakness in an opponent and taking advantage of it.
Last night I sent the Trump campaign a note through two different venues. I congratulated Mr. Trump on winning and asked him to help bring the country together. I asked him to give Hillary Clinton a pass and for him to get Congress off her back. Will it help? Probably not. If millions sent the same request, probably yes.
If all I focus on the next four years is finding fault with Donald Trump and trying to obstruct and tear him down, I am no better than him.
Sounds like a good use of a limited resource, your time. If you succeed, his replacement will be Pence. I don't think anyone in the Republican establishment will mind that one bit.Dallasite wrote:I don't want a racist, egotistical, demagogue leading our country. I'm going to spend the next four years finding a way to get him out of office.Howard_Kahn wrote:How about instead of trying to find weakness in an opponent and trying to take advantage of it we do what President Obama and Hillary Clinton asked us to and try and make a smooth transition and help him succeed.Adrianinflorida wrote:I don't see it as celebrating, as such, more like finding a weakness in an opponent and taking advantage of it.
Last night I sent the Trump campaign a note through two different venues. I congratulated Mr. Trump on winning and asked him to help bring the country together. I asked him to give Hillary Clinton a pass and for him to get Congress off her back. Will it help? Probably not. If millions sent the same request, probably yes.
If all I focus on the next four years is finding fault with Donald Trump and trying to obstruct and tear him down, I am no better than him.
No need. He'll never let it go.RVInit wrote:Should we start a poll to guess how long he will obsess on the fact that he lost the popular vote?Suranis wrote:Wow, its almost like the popular vote loss is getting to him.
x4 Pence is already running things for Trump.Howard_Kahn wrote:Sounds like a good use of a limited resource, your time. If you succeed, his replacement will be Pence. I don't think anyone in the Republican establishment will mind that one bit.Dallasite wrote:I don't want a racist, egotistical, demagogue leading our country. I'm going to spend the next four years finding a way to get him out of office.Howard_Kahn wrote:
How about instead of trying to find weakness in an opponent and trying to take advantage of it we do what President Obama and Hillary Clinton asked us to and try and make a smooth transition and help him succeed.
Last night I sent the Trump campaign a note through two different venues. I congratulated Mr. Trump on winning and asked him to help bring the country together. I asked him to give Hillary Clinton a pass and for him to get Congress off her back. Will it help? Probably not. If millions sent the same request, probably yes.
If all I focus on the next four years is finding fault with Donald Trump and trying to obstruct and tear him down, I am no better than him.
One thing I give W credit for, and I detested h for a great deal of his 8 years, is that he's kept out of current controversies and has been downright supportive of President Obama, when necessarySuranis wrote:Donald Trump has to earn my respect. I'm not going to forget the last 14 months of him being an ass just becasue. The day he does something good I'll say it. For example, W Bush was almost reasonable in his last year and his speech when Obama won the election was extremely good.
So I'm going to keep pointing out that he lost the popular vote to people who are continuing to blather lies about Hillary Clinton, becasue its grates at him, just like pointing out his tiny hands and lack of billionaire status.
As you cheer and hope for his failure, take a close look at who would succeed him in case of removal from office - I'd rather have Rick Santorum than Pence (yes, Pence is that bad - only slightly better than Scott Walker or Rick Scott, but I digress) ...Suranis wrote:Donald Trump has to earn my respect. I'm not going to forget the last 14 months of him being an ass just becasue. The day he does something good I'll say it. For example, W Bush was almost reasonable in his last year and his speech when Obama won the election was extremely good.
So I'm going to keep pointing out that he lost the popular vote to people who are continuing to blather lies about Hillary Clinton, becasue its grates at him, just like pointing out his tiny hands and lack of billionaire status.
I have to give W credit for wanting immigration reform. He also wanted to put a woman on the Supreme Court even if she was not given a very high rating but it was the Cheney cabal that put the kibosh on her nomination. She probably would have been better than what we got and certainly no worse than Thomas. I am convinced W made only two decisions on his own. That was one and the other was refusing to pardon Scooter Libby. I think W finally realized he had been played by Cheney and the neo-cons. A president is only as good as his advisors when he is in an information bubble. One has to appreciate his tacit support of Obama since he left office. He never tried to undermine him that I know of. I think he realized he had made mistakes and gave Cheney too much power. Clearly, the Grand Menace has no such capacity for refection or self-awareness.Piffle wrote:And the big winner is...W!
He's well on his way to retiring his crown as the worst president ever.
I never thought W was a bad person, a bad president, yes, but not a bad person. I fully believe Trump is a bad person.esseff44 wrote:I have to give W credit for wanting immigration reform. He also wanted to put a woman on the Supreme Court even if she was not given a very high rating but it was the Cheney cabal that put the kibosh on her nomination. She probably would have been better than what we got and certainly no worse than Thomas. I am convinced W made only two decisions on his own. That was one and the other was refusing to pardon Scooter Libby. I think W finally realized he had been played by Cheney and the neo-cons. A president is only as good as his advisors when he is in an information bubble. One has to appreciate his tacit support of Obama since he left office. He never tried to undermine him that I know of. I think he realized he had made mistakes and gave Cheney too much power. Clearly, the Grand Menace has no such capacity for refection or self-awareness.Piffle wrote:And the big winner is...W!
He's well on his way to retiring his crown as the worst president ever.
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Which, of course, includes implementation. E.g., Democrats would love to improve the country's infrastructure. Democrats would love it less if it turns out to be just overpriced pork spoils handed out to Republican donors.Mikedunford wrote:I plan to take Trump on a decision-by-decision, policy-by-policy basis. I will be pleasantly surprised if I'm not opposed to him 100% of the time, but I'm prepared to support any positive choice he might make.
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x2 x4 x2 I've seen several comments like this, about Pence taking over if/when Trump is removed from, or leaves, office. I believe Trump will pass on to Pence most of the actual decision making. He's already started this by putting Pence in charge of the transition team.rifleman1635 wrote:As you cheer and hope for his failure, take a close look at who would succeed him in case of removal from office - I'd rather have Rick Santorum than Pence (yes, Pence is that bad - only slightly better than Scott Walker or Rick Scott, but I digress) ...
I would. Its what he will be. That's why i say that the "oh Pence would be worse" guys are missing the point. You will already have Pence, but you will gain the chaos of a Trump impeachment to slow Pence down.Chilidog wrote:So, should people call Pence, "Mr. President" just to piss Trump off?
Piffle wrote:And the big winner is...W!
He's well on his way to retiring his crown as the worst president ever.
So. True.Slim Cognito wrote: I never thought W was a bad person, a bad president, yes, but not a bad person. I fully believe Trump is a bad person.
I have always thought the same thing. I think W did mean well, he had a reputation for inclusiveness and working with Democrats when he was Governor of Texas. But, I think he was in over his head as President and was no match for Cheney.
That's one of the things that makes us better. If he does something right we'll give him credit for that. And only that. But it beats how the Right treated Obama... they never gave him a goddamn gram of credit or respect even when he did things Republicans were on record as wanting done, stuff they agreed with before Obama supported it. Never.Mikedunford wrote:I plan to take Trump on a decision-by-decision, policy-by-policy basis. I will be pleasantly surprised if I'm not opposed to him 100% of the time, but I'm prepared to support any positive choice he might make.
I'm just not holding very high expectations.
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