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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Sun Apr 12, 2015 2:19 pm

Yes, that's the one. I held it in my hands in 1962. I thought it was struck in 1834 but it could have been made in 1870. The coin didn't come with a certificate of authenticity or anything concerning its provenance. It was just a coin. And a big one, too. (It didn't have that much tarnish on it when my Dad owned it.)



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Post by Orlylicious » Sun Apr 12, 2015 2:20 pm

Well, Julianna Smoot did call her out and mock her by name :lol:





Release the Mugs



By Julianna Smoot, Deputy Campaign Manager on November 19, 2011



Yesterday, four Republicans in the New Hampshire State House allowed a hearing requested by Orly Taitz, the notorious dentist-lawyer-birther who wants President Obama officially removed from the state’s primary ballot.



So in honor of conspiracy theorists everywhere, we’re re-releasing the campaign’s limited-edition “Made in the USA” mugs. There’s clearly nothing we can do to satisfy this crowd—or anyone else who insists on wasting time and energy on nonsense like this.



But when it starts to make your head hurt, I’ve found the best remedy is to have some tea in my “Made in the USA” mug.



Works like a charm. I recommend Earl Grey.







Cafe Press still has them, might be cheaper than Amazon: http://www.cafepress.com/mf/70986594/ba ... =695524982







But I hadn't seen the birfer version, oy. http://www.cafepress.com/mf/58637650/ma ... 1069278985







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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Sun Apr 12, 2015 2:22 pm

I suspect that was written by a PR person. The campaign didn't bother with her.



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Post by No Pilikia » Sun Apr 12, 2015 2:36 pm

That's great Orlylicious! I'll have to look for that version.


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Post by RTH10260 » Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:05 pm





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The /s/ & /s/ worms need a comemorative corner too, also!



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Post by Flatpointhigh » Sun Apr 12, 2015 11:54 pm

Collectibles!



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Post by GreatGrey » Mon Apr 13, 2015 12:10 am







Whatever it is I wouldn't want one in my pocket :shock:









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Post by ArthurWankspittle » Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:47 am





ZOMG that is a seriously fantastic idea, especially with proceeds going to Fogbow. Can't wait to hear ideas from fellow Fogbowers. If I sported an evil pencil-thin mustache and a stovepipe hat, I'd right now be twirling said evil mustache whilst emitting a diabolical cackle.







I came up with this months ago: The Orly Taitz blow-up doll.

Of course we'll have to come up with a "limited edition" "gift packaging" "signed certificate of authenticity" "phone 1-800-TWITHOTU" advertising package but I'm sure we can work out the details.

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Post by Fortinbras » Mon Apr 13, 2015 4:54 am





I have an 1863 trade dollar. When I mistakenly looked up an 1863 silver dollar in a coin book I nearly had a heart attack when I saw "unknown in any collection".







The trade dollar was a peculiar silver coin minted in the mid-19th century expressly for use in or with China. It had a weight (and therefore intrinsic metallic value) different from US dollars of the same era. At some point it was officially 'decertified' as a currency, and even though other US govt-issued currency was eventually legally entitled to be called "legal tender", the trade dollar was denied that designation.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_dollar



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Post by Orlylicious » Wed Apr 15, 2015 5:12 am

I wonder how much Bob is being cut in on the Birther Coin. The Big BR now has this huge handsome ad on the upper right:







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Post by Sluffy1 » Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:54 am

It had a weight (and therefore intrinsic metallic value) different from US dollars of the same era.



The Trade Dollar (420 Grains) weighed more than the American Silver Dollar (412.5 Grains).

Each was 90% silver.



I think it was decertified as legal tender because it was worth more than $1 USD.



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Post by Dr. Kenneth Noisewater » Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:32 am

Oh please please Mike Volin use your profits from your package store to buy up as many coins as possible to mail out with your sheriff's kits.



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Post by Fortinbras » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:42 am

Going back to this Birfer Coin, I cannot find a legal authority or source for the purported quotation on the banner at the bottom of the reverse of the coin, "A Dual Citizen at Birth ... is Not Natural Born." Running the two half-sentences through Lexis came up with nothing, ... except a nearly similar sentence which was mentioned as a LOSING ARGUMENT in a birfer lawsuit; Liberty Legal Foundation v. National Democratic Party (WD Tenn 2012) 868 F.Supp.2d 734 aff'd 575 Fed.Appx 662.

https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case ... 2523768007



The Latin motto at the bottom of the reverse, Partus sequitur patrem (child follows its father [in status]), is used in some cases, but other cases, including some Supreme Court decisions, the version relied on and upheld was that which appear in Blackstone's Commentaries, vol. 2, page 390, Partus sequitur ventrem (... its mother); the maternal version is mostly applied in the cases of people of mixed or non-white racial background (which would seem to include our current President); Alberty v. US (1896) 162 US 499, 16 S.Ct 864, 40 L.Ed 1051; Menard v. Aspasia (1831) 30 US (5 Pet.) 505, 8 L.Ed 206; Williamson v. Daniels (1827) 25 US (12 Wheat.) 568, 6 L.Ed 731, Mason v. Matilda (1827) 25 US (12 Wheat.) 590, 6 L.Ed 738; US v. Sanders (D.Ark 1847) 27 Fed.Cases 950, nr. 16220; "Relation of Indians to Citizenship" 7 Op. US Atty-Gen 746 (1856); Barbry v. Dauzat (La.App 1991) 576 So.2d 1013; etc.



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Post by wavey davey » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:56 pm

Of course you can't find any legal authority for that idea. Birfers made it up.



Oh wait, no, that's wrong. There's lots-o-authority for it, but the Obots scrubbed it from Lexis, the internet, etc. Very thorough, them Obots.



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Post by Epectitus » Wed Apr 15, 2015 5:20 pm



The Latin motto at the bottom of the reverse, Partus sequitur patrem (child follows its father [in status]), is used in some cases, but other cases, including some Supreme Court decisions, the version relied on and upheld was that which appear in Blackstone's Commentaries, vol. 2, page 390, Partus sequitur ventrem (... its mother); the maternal version is mostly applied in the cases of people of mixed or non-white racial background (which would seem to include our current President); Alberty v. US (1896) 162 US 499, 16 S.Ct 864, 40 L.Ed 1051; Menard v. Aspasia (1831) 30 US (5 Pet.) 505, 8 L.Ed 206; Williamson v. Daniels (1827) 25 US (12 Wheat.) 568, 6 L.Ed 731, Mason v. Matilda (1827) 25 US (12 Wheat.) 590, 6 L.Ed 738; US v. Sanders (D.Ark 1847) 27 Fed.Cases 950, nr. 16220; Barbry v. Dauzat (La.App 1991) 576 So.2d 1013; etc.





These two Latin phrases actually derive from the most ancient Roman law and were about general social class, of which citizen status was only a part. It was built around the right of marriage, or connubium. Originally, there was no right of connubium between Patricians and Plebians. After the Lex Canuleia was passed in the mid 5th century BC, they could intermarry with the children's status following that of the father; partus sequitur patrem. Later the Romans would also gain the right of connubium with the Latins, and (with the approval of the senate) even the Socii and the Pellegrini (non-Latin Italians and foreigners).

But a lot of Romans also married outside of connubium. The marriages were recognized, but since they were not under connubium, the child's status instead passed from the mother; partus sequitur ventrem. If the mother was a pelegrina, the children would be pelegrini. If she were a Roman citizen, they would be Roman citizens.

So... the statement that "partus sequitur patrem" was the ancient law of the Romans is not actually true. It was true only for marriages under connubium. Otherwise, the mother could also pass down Roman citizenship.


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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:09 pm

If you put that on a coin, Eppie, I'll buy it.



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Post by Orlylicious » Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:48 pm

This is what makes Fogbow great, turned their dopey coin grift into a cool discussion where everybody learns something (except birthers). Thanks everybody!



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Post by bob » Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:55 pm

There will be approximately 300 "First Strike" coins made in Q1 2015, followed by a maximum of 2000 strikes planned for the rest of the year.From this, I infer the first run will be 300 coins. With silver around $16.50, that's $33 per two-ounce coin. 300 coins means $10,000 in silver alone; the mint will also charge to strike the coins, I'm sure.I would also guess the mint would have some sort of buyback policy, albeit at a penalty, to recover the silver from unsold coins.My WAG is that, once the first 300 are struck, someone (i.e., Kerchner) will lose around $5000 if no coins are sold, and will need to sell 100 coins to break even.Can someone more knowledgeable please speculate on the costs/risks involved?


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Post by Fortinbras » Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:08 pm

I believe that market for "unofficial" currency, such as Liberty Dollars and Indian Reservation silver, has dried up. This birfer coin is, it is obvious even to birfers, NEVER going to be accepted by the govt, so it has even less going for it.

Some Republicans will think it's a shot at Rafael Cruz, so they won't touch it nor even mention it to their friends.



By now, SovCits - and non-crazy Conservatives - are acquainted with the real market price of metallic silver - and unlikely to want to pay 3X its value for a marginally attractive birfer token.

So I expect that not many of these birfer coins will sell.



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Post by Slartibartfast » Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:02 am









There will be approximately 300 "First Strike" coins made in Q1 2015, followed by a maximum of 2000 strikes planned for the rest of the year.



From this, I infer the first run will be 300 coins. With silver around $16.50, that's $33 per two-ounce coin. 300 coins means $10,000 in silver alone; the mint will also charge to strike the coins, I'm sure.

I would also guess the mint would have some sort of buyback policy, albeit at a penalty, to recover the silver from unsold coins.

My WAG is that, once the first 300 are struck, someone (i.e., Kerchner) will lose around $5000 if no coins are sold, and will need to sell 100 coins to break even.

Can someone more knowledgeable please speculate on the costs/risks involved?









From the linked price sheet, a two Troy oz. coin (1 3/4" or 1 7/8" in diameter) is $2.50 plus market price for the metal. Too also, they charge $550 for coining dies for both sides of the coin.



So an initial run of 300 costs at least $550 + ($2.50+$33) * 300 = $11,200. Figuring shrewd birther negotiators, this is probably more like $1000 + ($5 + $35) * 300 = $13,000. At $95 a pop, the break-even point in the first case is around 120 and in the latter closer to 140. If they will buy back the metal (say minus a $1 per coin service charge), then the b/e points would be about 25 and 45 respectively.



Although the prices I gave are discount rates extended to schools, public servants and the military, it shouldn't take more than 50 or so coins before the value of the remaining silver is worth more than the net outlay.


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Post by Slartibartfast » Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:05 am





I believe that market for "unofficial" currency, such as Liberty Dollars and Indian Reservation silver, has dried up. This birfer coin is, it is obvious even to birfers, NEVER going to be accepted by the govt, so it has even less going for it.

Some Republicans will think it's a shot at Rafael Cruz, so they won't touch it nor even mention it to their friends.



By now, SovCits - and non-crazy Conservatives - are acquainted with the real market price of metallic silver - and unlikely to want to pay 3X its value for a marginally attractive birfer token.

So I expect that not many of these birfer coins will sell.







This is a collectible, not a currency. It's pretty difficult to predict whether or not it will have any novelty value in the future. The metal, of course, will retain its intrinsic value.


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Post by Sluffy1 » Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:43 am

Based upon an idea from conservative columnist, technologist, and Birther, William M Lolli; and skillfully rendered as art by C. Alolkoy and D. Carr, the 2015 “Birther” Commemorative coin is struck in pure 999 Fine Silver; detailed, rendered and direct-die cut by 3D, computer-assisted, state-of-the-art mint processes.



Daniel Carr is well known in the numismatist community. We've all held some of his work in our hands.



Daniel Carr is the designer of the actual New York and Rhode Island state quarters for the US Mint. His original design was also adapted for use on the actual Maine state quarter.

Daniel Carr is also the owner of Designs Computed, LLC and Moonlight Mint. He is the author of the VS3D Virtual Sculptor software which he uses to sculpt designs digitally. Digital designs are converted to physical form using a Computer Numeric Control (CNC) milling/engraving machine.

Additional information can be found at: www.DesignsComputed.com/coins and www.MoonlightMint.com



He bought an old broken press from the Denver mint, took it apart, fixed it up and got it working. I'd guess he did the striking and C. Alolkoy (whoever that is) did the design... yup, C. Alolkoy did the design.





I bought his 1964 D Peace Dollar over-strike directly from him. It sells on eBay for 6 times issue price.

The Birther coin won't be of interest to numismatist nerds... even though most are old, male, conservative and have mustard stains on their shirts.

...yes, I'm a nerd too, less the stains.



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Post by Dr. Kenneth Noisewater » Thu Apr 16, 2015 8:24 am

I hope Gallups starts hawking them on his show Friday



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Post by Foggy » Thu Apr 16, 2015 8:29 am

For the birthers, this coin will be a treasured memento and a daily reminder of the 8 years of their lives that they wasted because they're stupid racist asshats.



In 2021 -- the sixth year of Hillary's administration -- we should see a nice coin built on the theme of "No Girls Allowed". :lol:










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Post by Kriselda Gray » Thu Apr 16, 2015 8:35 am

Looking at some of the other stuff on Carr's site, I wouldn't be surprised if he gave Lolli a discount for making a birther coin..... :)


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