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Post by gsgs » Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:04 am

what surprised me most about Monckton in that 2014 radio interview was
his conspiracy thinking. How birthers were being threatened for their (political) careers
if they speak out birtherish. I think this is mainly because most of it was debunked
and the whole issue is meanwhile considered very doubtful.
But CM said it was because of some NAZI-like suppression/prosecution of contrary
opinions and control of the media by left-money. (don't the conservatives have most of the money?)
And that you were not far from that NAZIism currently in USA.
And he considers NAZIs left wing, while usually it is considered right-wing.

So, that's a pretty unusual view of things by CM and not shared by many.And not reflected
in the freedom-of-press statistics and such.
And I wonder how he could get such an important role in Scottish politics
with these attitudes.

it surprised me more than his birtherism, his political attitudes, anti-Europe, anti-left,
climate change, House of Lords or such

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Post by Sam the Centipede » Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:38 am

gsgs - does Monckton have "an important role in Scottish politics"? He joined the UK Independence Party, which is a right-wing bunch of moaners who want to return to the 1930s ... or the 1950s for more progressive members. But UKIP has no political power that I am aware of, just one MP in the UK House of Commons and several MEPs disrupting the European Parliament. UKIP is a protest party striving to be taken seriously but hindered in that aim by the Trumpish behavior and pronouncements of some of its members.

Monckton's embrace of multiple ridiculous ideas is something we see repeatedly in the nutter fringe. For example, John Vidurek/Darash of the NLA promoting silver colloids as a cure-all along with his crackpot pseudo-legal "theories", or conspiracy theorists who buy multiple conspiracy theories, even when these are mutually inconsistent.

As for Monckton regarding Nazism as left-wing - if he does (I dunno!) that fits with the RWNJ meme of labeling anything the disagree with as communist, socialist, etc., which they regard as fairly universal terms of abuse.

Monckton is a self-regarding buffoon. He has a brins, but he miususes it.

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Post by Suranis » Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:39 am

I think GSGS is confusing Monckton with Lord Lang of Monkton, who was Scottish Secretary from 1990 to 1995. Different guy.

I don't blame him for that, its pretty forgivable to mix 2 guys with similar names when you are from another country.

http://www.parliament.uk/biographies/lo ... onkton/896

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Post by magdalen77 » Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:12 am

Presumably Lord Lang is sane, unlike Lord Monkeybutt.

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Post by Suranis » Wed Jan 06, 2016 3:36 pm

I don't know much about the guy, so yeah, probably sane.
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Post by Slartibartfast » Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:34 pm

Sam the Centipede wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:Sam,

Note that a Platonic solid is a regular polyhedron, so all of its faces are regular and congruent. Briefly, the Euler characteristic says that vertices minus edges plus faces equals two for all polyhedra (this can be proven by puncturing one face, mapping the polyhedra to a planar graph and triangulating it. With this relationship, the fact that regularity implies if the polyhedron has faces with n edges each and m faces meet at each vertex then the following equations hold:

V - E + F = 2

2E = nF

mE = 2V

The only solutions to these equations amongst the integers give us the tetrahedron, cube, octahedron, dodecahedron and icosahedron.
Yeah, I know that (although I don't have the equations committed to memory!).

Nor do I. I know that the Euler characteristic of a sphere is 2, so I could figure out the first equation by considering a cube (8 - 12 + 6 = 2), then I looked up the other two. Note to Rpenner: I believe (I'm too [not also] lazy to check) that the equation you gave can be derived from the 3 above, but you're right that it's one you want to have handy.

My point was that if this topological relationship on the net works, then the geometric condition of congruency and regularity is unnecessary and the proof is more general. That is, the proof using the Euler formula demonstrates that one could not make a polyhedron of (say) heptagons (regular or otherwise, not necessarily congruent) where some constant number N (N≥3) heptagon vertices meet at each vertex of the polyhedron. My loose geometric reasoning only works for regular congruent polygons.

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Well done, Grasshopper! :thumbs:

That's pretty much a pedagogically perfect comment. It demonstrates a solid understanding of the difference between topological and geometric (underlining them was a nice touch too also :dance: ). It also articulates your thinking well (critical in mathematics) and it isn't complete or totally correct, leaving an opening to add to what you said.


But I think it doesn't demonstrate (nor does it attempt to) that one cannot make a polyhedron using regular congruent polygons but with varying numbers of polygons meeting at each vertex - imagine two tetrahedra pushed together and the joining faces removed.

True. Relaxing any of the regularity conditions allows alternate examples.

But triangles are always the most potent geometers! Squares won't work (unless one accepts coplanar faces), so that probably only applies to triangles.

The only convex polygon you can make with squares is a cube (think about it for a bit). There may be a way to make such semi-regular (so to speak) polyhedra with higher order polygons as faces.

Can one pave a polyhedron with congruent heptagons, or congruent hexagons (relaxing the condition on constant number of faces at each vertex)?

See above (maybe).

You can have three faces meeting if the fatter corners are kept apart from each other, but do those fat corners eventually bite you on the backside? This is left as an exercise for the reader, or for Lord Monckton, as he's such a friggin' mathematical genius, in his own mind.

Now you're just making a Monckery of things.
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Post by gsgs » Fri Jun 24, 2016 4:31 am

Jamie White - June 23, 2016 Comments
Brexit Insider: EU The 'New Soviet Union'
The EU is the new Soviet Union, and the Brexit referendum is the only opportunity for the UK
to escape the undemocratic European superstate, says British Lord Christopher Monckton.

“This [European Constitution] is an entirely anti-democratic constitution, in fact it’s very like the Soviet
constitution on which it was modeled,” he said Wednesday on The Alex Jones Show. “All that’s happened
is the Soviet constitution has moved westward, and we are now effectively the European Supreme Soviet.”

Lord Monckton explained that the globalists are using fear to deceive the public about the financial future
of Britain should it decide to leave the EU.

“Don’t be fooled by all the economic arguments that the Treasury has simply made up numbers to try and
say we would go bankrupt if we were out of the EU – we’ll go bankrupt for sure if we’re in it,” he said.
“In the last two decades the stock market in London has had its worst two decades in 650 years of
operation. That’s how well the EU has done for us.”

“The EU has generally underperformed, in the last twenty or thirty years, just about all the other
developed economies,” Monckton continued. “And it is dragging all of us down with exactly this
kind of bureaucratic mishmash of controls and regulations run by people we can’t elect and can’t remove.”

Monckton explained that international treaties like TPP (Trans Pacific Partnership) and the TTIP
(Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership) are the new tools for implementing communism
now that communism’s popularity is on the decline.

“Imagine if you, the United States, were told that you had to depend on the will of twenty seven
other nations, any one of whom could say ‘no’ to you,” he said. “We have absolutely no say in Europe.
That’s a dictatorship in the formal sense.”

“He [Prime Minister David Cameron] is trying, quite deliberately, to destroy Britain as an independent
country so as to establish this world elite dictatorship. If anybody that’s listening thinks this sounds
extreme, that is because his ambition is extreme. The ambition of these people is to do away with
democracy altogether. And the single biggest threat to their plan is this vote.”

“The fact that we even got this referendum is an enormous blow against global government power,”
said Monckton. “They didn’t ever want us to have this vote. And at least we’ve got the chance to
have our say.”

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now, the morning of the Brexit vote, the FT100 is down 10% and the pound
another 10% (against the $).
So he compares it with the United States ... which _by design_ is a Union of States as the
EU, where each State comprises to the policy and economy according to its estimated "value".

If Monckton thinks, that "value" for Britain was too low in the EU ... well, others disagree.
There are presumably lots of US-States, which Monckton would advise to quit the Union.
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ahh, yes, and calling it the new Soviet Union is just ridiculous. I never heard that from anyone
else - let alone Putin. The EU has economically underperformed as compared to what ? Britain ?
Ahh, "just about all the other developed economies". So everyone has underperformed
except the nondeveloped. Well, China was good, but they are communist.

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British polls: Conservative,Labour,UKIP

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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:32 am

If Monckton told me the sun was shining I'd have to go outside to check.

At noon.

On a day that was cloudless when I went inside.

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Post by SueDB » Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:51 am

I thought old Monkeybutt would have croaked by now. It's hard to drive a body on one brain cell.
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Post by Flatpointhigh » Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:58 am

he has to remain "relevant" somehow

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Post by phaseolus » Fri Jun 24, 2016 11:40 am

Sam the Centipede wrote: :snippity:

Is there an on-topic connection? Oh yes, the lad checks Wikipedia, slips his marker and lands one in the net! Higher dimensional analogs (polytopes) were investigated in the 19thC by Swiss mathematician Ludwig Schläfli. To me, that looks to be the same (pre-Americanization) family name as the vile racist right-wing nutjob Phyllis Schlafly and her spawn, the equally vile Andy Sclafly, the founder and chief hatemonger of the RWNJ and Christian dominionist fountain of crap, Conservapedia. Coincidentally, Andy's brother Roger is a mathematician. IIRC Roger is also gay, which must annoy his hatemongering family intensely! :dance:
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A nephew (IIRC) of Phyllis' is a respected craft brewer who apparently keeps his political opinions private, so the family tree's redeemed somewhat by his presence

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Post by gsgs » Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:17 am

As Christopher Monckton said:
My three reasons for departure, in strict order of precedence, were
Democracy, Democracy, and Democracy.

For the so-called “European Parliament” is no Parliament. It is a mere duma. It lacks even
the power to bring forward a bill, and the 28 faceless, unelected, omnipotent Kommissars –
the official German name for the shadowy Commissioners who exercise the supreme lawmaking
power that was once vested in our elected Parliament – have the power, under the
Treaty of Maastricht, to meet behind closed doors to override in secret any decision
of that “Parliament” at will, and even to issue “Commission Regulations” that bypass it altogether.

It still works. And 27 other countries do accept it and established it together with Britain.
As a member you could try to change it, improve it. Democrately.
How about NATO or Commonwealth or monarchy, Mr. Monckton ? Enough democracy ?

The British parliament was democrately elected. It is 70% against Brexit.
Now Monckton wants the ordinary people to vote instead directly about complicated economic
and financial matters, which they can't understand. What is the parliament for
in the first place ? They should be the experts to examine and analyse and decide
in the interest of the people.
It's not just about "democracy", it's currency, interest rates, exports, trade, debt rating.
And peace.

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http://www.theeuroprobe.org/2016-044-co ... on-brexit/
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Post by Foggy » Mon Jun 27, 2016 6:27 am

Whoa. That's heavy, man.
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Post by woodworker » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:59 pm

Sterngard Friegen wrote:If Monckton told me the sun was shining I'd have to go outside to check.

At noon.

On a day that was cloudless when I went inside.

Yes, but Lord Monkeybutt told us that Paul Lentz said the sun was shining, then I would know the sun was shining.
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Post by mimi » Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:21 pm

I don't get it. Why would Guenter be cheering the Brexit?

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Post by Whatever4 » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:44 pm

woodworker wrote:
Sterngard Friegen wrote:If Monckton told me the sun was shining I'd have to go outside to check.

At noon.

On a day that was cloudless when I went inside.

Yes, but Lord Monkeybutt told us that Paul Lentz said the sun was shining, then I would know the sun was shining.
Whoa, my mind boggled. :dazed:
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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:56 pm

You're on an island. One group of natives only tells the truth. Another group of natives only lies. You don't know which group is which but one of the groups wears distinctive headdresses. You come to a fork in the road and you want to know how to get to the capitol. A member of each native tribe is hanging around at the fork. You can ask one of them one question. What is it?

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Post by Family Liberty Patriot » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:12 pm

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Post by Sam the Centipede » Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:46 pm

Sterngard Friegen wrote:You're on an island. One group of natives only tells the truth. Another group of natives only lies. You don't know which group is which but one of the groups wears distinctive headdresses. You come to a fork in the road and you want to know how to get to the capitol. A member of each native tribe is hanging around at the fork. You can ask one of them one question. What is it?
Oh, that's easy if the island is Great Britain. You punch the tall one with the artificially mussed white hair. You ask the other person "Where's the nearest pub?"

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Post by Michael J » Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:11 am

Not sure whether it's appropriate for a somewhat noob such as myself to suggest this, but should the title of this thread be changed?

Climate sceptic Lord Monckton told he's not member of House of Lords
Clerk of parliaments publishes letter on Lords' site saying peer is not and has 'never been a member of the House of Lords'
Maybe:

"Lord (My Ass) Monckton"

"(Not) Lord Monckton"

"Lord (In His Dreams) Monckton"
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Post by Sam the Centipede » Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:22 am

Because he is a lord, a member of the peerage. He has a title of nobility. He is not, however, a member of the House of Lords (the legislative assembly).

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Post by Michael J » Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:33 am

Sam the Centipede wrote:Because he is a lord, a member of the peerage. He has a title of nobility. He is not, however, a member of the House of Lords (the legislative assembly).
:oops: :bag: Thanks Sam.
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Post by Slartibartfast » Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:11 am

Michael J wrote:Not sure whether it's appropriate for a somewhat noob such as myself to suggest this, but should the title of this thread be changed?

Climate sceptic Lord Monckton told he's not member of House of Lords
Clerk of parliaments publishes letter on Lords' site saying peer is not and has 'never been a member of the House of Lords'
Maybe:

"Lord (My Ass) Monckton"

"(Not) Lord Monckton"

"Lord (In His Dreams) Monckton"
Personally, I've always liked referring to him as "Chrissy Monckton" (or just Mr. Monckton). He's a particularly incompetent and mathematically illiterate birther too also (my opinion).
Edit: It's great to have such polite and thoughtful noobs! :grouphug:
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Post by gsgs » Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:07 am

US GDP = $18 trillion per year
US budget = $3.8 trillion per year
(1 American trillion=1000 American billion = 1000000 million)
[numbers corrected, see following posts]
market capitalization of US-stocks = $20 trillio
USA money supply M3 = $20 trillion

cost of illegal immigration to USA = $113B = $0.113 trillion per year

1% down in US-stocks is worth $200B
1% down in UK-stocks is worth $30B
1% down in the Pound is worth $25B
1% down in the Euro is worth $120B



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_ ... ted_States
> The Feb 2011 report "The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on US Taxpayers"
> from the Federation for American Immigration Reform, also an organization that
> advocates for reduction of immigration to the US,estimates the annual costs of
> illegal immigration at the federal, state and local level to be about $113 billion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilshire_5000

In 2010, the total money supply (M4) measure in the UK was £2.2 trillion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_supply

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Post by Mikedunford » Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:52 am

In other words, even if we accept the premise that illegal immigration costs the US 113 billion, any effort to stop illegal immigration that results in a 1% drop in stock prices would leave the nation nearly twice as worse off as we would have been with the status quo - if the effort was 100% successful, which is highly unlikely.
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