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Post by RTH10260 » Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:09 pm

Volkonski wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:35 pm
https:// twitter.com/HoustonChron/status/1140686892461166592?s=19
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Lawyers: Alex Jones sent child porn to Sandy Hook families http://bit.ly/2XT7Tdf

20:25 - 17 Jun 2019
That's what I consider irresponsible reporting.

The lawyers, not the families, received a stash of discovery files from Jones. Among those files there was child pornography to be found.

What the FBI told the lawyers:
Court documents stated that the Sandy Hook lawyers had begun reviewing the electronic files that Jones had turned over when they found child pornography in the files. They immediately contacted the FBI.

“The FBI advised counsel that its review located numerous additional illegal images, which had apparently been sent to InfoWars email addresses,” they stated.

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Post by Turtle » Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:29 pm

If he had catchall addresses set up on his domain, anyone could send anything to random @infowars and it would sit on the server if no one did anything with it. Could be millions of emails no one ever touched. And then on discovery, someone just imaged that drive and sent them the data.

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Post by much ado » Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:39 pm

neonzx wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:41 pm
Jones vowed to fight the lawsuit on the grounds that memes were for everyone, Pepe was fair use
How does Jones claim Fair Use? If I created an commercial advert with a depiction of Bart Simpson, I'm going to get called-out.

Jones' empire is bust/broke. Take the win you get and move along.
Because it's 'political speech'? Calling Mikedunford for an opinion...

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Re: Alex Jones

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Post by bob » Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:53 pm

much ado wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:39 pm
Because it's 'political speech'?
Claiming "political speech" is not a get-out-jail-free card. The politicalness of the speech may certainly be a factor in determining fair use, but it is not the only or overriding one.
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Post by DejaMoo » Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:01 pm

Turtle wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:29 pm
If he had catchall addresses set up on his domain, anyone could send anything to random @infowars and it would sit on the server if no one did anything with it. Could be millions of emails no one ever touched. And then on discovery, someone just imaged that drive and sent them the data.
And a professionally-run company, knowing that this could happen, would practice preventive CYA: have their IT people periodically scan for potentially problematical files and if found, report them immediately to law enforcement.

If they weren't worth reading or scanning, they weren't worth keeping.
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Post by DejaMoo » Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:11 pm

neonzx wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:41 pm
How does Jones claim Fair Use?
The same way everyone who gets called out for copyright infringement claims it: by defining Fair Use as whatever they want it to be, legal niceties be damned. They'll say or do whatever they have to say or do in order to justify their actions and/or beliefs.

With the patridiots, replace "Fair Use" with "The Constitution". With the SovCits, replace "Fair Use" with "U.S. Commercial Code" or "Admiralty Court". With the GOP, replace "Fair Use" with "Socialism".

That's how the bullshitting game is played.
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Re: Alex Jones

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Post by much ado » Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:18 pm

bob wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:53 pm
much ado wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:39 pm
Because it's 'political speech'?
Claiming "political speech" is not a get-out-jail-free card. The politicalness of the speech may certainly be a factor in determining fair use, but it is not the only or overriding one.
I would like someone who knows explain to me why Trump can use copyrighted material against the copyright owners express objection, but Alex Jones cannot.

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Post by bob » Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:20 pm

much ado wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:18 pm
I would like someone who knows explain to me why Trump can use copyrighted material against the copyright owners express objection, but Alex Jones cannot.
You would have to provide a specific example, as each situation has different factors.
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Post by Jeffrey » Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:21 pm

Because Jones was selling merchandise with Pepe the frog on it. If Trump sold MAGA hats with Mickey Mouse on them he’d also get busted.

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Post by DejaMoo » Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:23 pm

much ado wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:18 pm
bob wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:53 pm
much ado wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:39 pm
Because it's 'political speech'?
Claiming "political speech" is not a get-out-jail-free card. The politicalness of the speech may certainly be a factor in determining fair use, but it is not the only or overriding one.
I would like someone who knows explain to me why Trump can use copyrighted material against the copyright owners express objection, but Alex Jones cannot.
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Post by much ado » Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:58 pm

Jeffrey wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:21 pm
Because Jones was selling merchandise with Pepe the frog on it. If Trump sold MAGA hats with Mickey Mouse on them he’d also get busted.
Yeah, that's a big difference.

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Post by much ado » Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:01 pm

DejaMoo wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:23 pm
much ado wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:18 pm
bob wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:53 pm

Claiming "political speech" is not a get-out-jail-free card. The politicalness of the speech may certainly be a factor in determining fair use, but it is not the only or overriding one.
I would like someone who knows explain to me why Trump can use copyrighted material against the copyright owners express objection, but Alex Jones cannot.
Here’s How Candidates Can Use Songs in Their Campaigns, Even If Songwriters Don’t Like It
Thanks for the information!

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Post by Sam the Centipede » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:01 am

RTH10260 wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:09 pm
Volkonski wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:35 pm
https:// twitter.com/HoustonChron/status/1140686892461166592?s=19
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Lawyers: Alex Jones sent child porn to Sandy Hook families http://bit.ly/2XT7Tdf

20:25 - 17 Jun 2019
That's what I consider irresponsible reporting.

The lawyers, not the families, received a stash of discovery files from Jones. Among those files there was child pornography to be found.

What the FBI told the lawyers:
Court documents stated that the Sandy Hook lawyers had begun reviewing the electronic files that Jones had turned over when they found child pornography in the files. They immediately contacted the FBI.

“The FBI advised counsel that its review located numerous additional illegal images, which had apparently been sent to InfoWars email addresses,” they stated.
This sloppy reporting/headlining is appearing elsewhere, including The Guardian. It's always been a problem for newspapers that sub-editors often write headlines which inaccurately represent an article's content, and the journos get frustrated because they get blamed for the bit they didn't write.

I don't have any sympathy for Alex Jones, of course. He lies all the time, so if he is misrepresented, he deserves it. I would quite comfortably believe that he is a child molester — I have seen no evidence to the contrary, so by InfoWars standards it's proven: Alex Jones is a child molester who distributes child pornography!

As for his conspiracy theories: if there were any truth in them, the groups he accuses would have blasted his lying head off his shoulders years ago, if they are so ruthlessly amoral. The fact that he is (unfortunately) alive and spewing filth absolutely disproves his nonsense.

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Post by RoadScholar » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:15 am

Any chance this is a ham-handed attempt at provoking a mistrial? :think:
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Post by RTH10260 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:05 am

RoadScholar wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:15 am
Any chance this is a ham-handed attempt at provoking a mistrial? :think:
Hardly. The FBI might have pointed out a pattern of receiving c.p. if it were.

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Post by RTH10260 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:07 am

Sam the Centipede wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:01 am
:snippity:
I don't have any sympathy for Alex Jones, of course. He lies all the time, so if he is misrepresented, he deserves it. I would quite comfortably believe that he is a child molester — I have seen no evidence to the contrary, so by InfoWars standards it's proven: Alex Jones is a child molester who distributes child pornography!
:snippity:
Karma :-D I appreciate the sentiment, feed him some of his own medicine.

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Post by Grumpy Old Guy » Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:34 am

RoadScholar wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:15 am
Any chance this is a ham-handed attempt at provoking a mistrial? :think:
He will soon start screaming that the receiving lawyers planted the child porn.

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Post by Whip » Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:36 am

Grumpy Old Guy wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:34 am
RoadScholar wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:15 am
Any chance this is a ham-handed attempt at provoking a mistrial? :think:
He will soon start screaming that the receiving lawyers planted the child porn.
kinda surprised that wasn't the default.

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Post by Gregg » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:35 pm

...As for his conspiracy theories: if there were any truth in them, the groups he accuses would have blasted his lying head off his shoulders years ago, if they are so ruthlessly amoral. The fact that he is (unfortunately) alive and spewing filth absolutely disproves his nonsense.
Ah, but you fail to appreciate how subtly cruel we can be here at Illuminati Headquarters. We leak all out secrets to him but in a way that can never, ever be proved even enough for anyone to take seriously. The fact that he knows all this stuff and knows what we are really doing, but no matter how loud he yells he can't get anyone who matters to take him seriously, is driving him crazy. The cruelest punishment of all is knowing that he's right and everyone else is wrong and no matter how many ways he can prove it to them, we always manage to get the population at large to look at him like he's holding a live wolverpus by the ears. :rolleye: :panic: :dazed:

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Post by Volkonski » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:01 pm

Alex Jones Faces Court Action After Threatening Sandy Hook Lawyer

https://www.thedailybeast.com/infowars- ... ook-lawyer
A Connecticut judge could impose penalties on InfoWars conspiracy theorist Alex Jones on Tuesday, after Jones aired a show where he punched a picture of an attorney representing Sandy Hook families and called the lawyer a “pimp.”

In a motion filed Monday in Connecticut, attorneys for the Sandy Hook families asked the court to review Friday’s episode of InfoWars. In that show, Jones raged at attorney Chris Mattei, who’s representing Sandy Hook families suing Jones for saying the 2012 elementary school massacre never happened.

While sitting next to his own attorney, Norm Pattis, Jones accused Mattei without evidence of planting child porn on InfoWars’s servers.

“Total war!” Jones said. “You want it, you got it! I’m not into kids like your Democratic Party, you cocksuckers! So get ready!”
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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:16 pm

Thank you, Gregg, for recognizing Brad Pitt's superb and realistic performance in 12 Monkeys. His rendition of ownership of a certain chair in the mental health hospital community room was something I had actually seen before when interning in high school.
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Post by Gregg » Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:20 pm

Tiredretiredlawyer wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:16 pm
Thank you, Gregg, for recognizing Brad Pitt's superb and realistic performance in 12 Monkeys. His rendition of ownership of a certain chair in the mental health hospital community room was something I had actually seen before when interning in high school.
Pfft, I thought it was based on a previously unreleased home video of me in high school :bag:
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Post by Fortinbras » Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:34 pm

Not Alex Jones directly but a judge has issued a judgment in favor of a Sandy Hook parent against Fetzer, the author of "Nobody Died at Sandy Hook":

https://nypost.com/2019/06/18/dad-of-sa ... theorists/
Dad of Sandy Hook victim wins suit against conspiracy theorists
By Amanda Woods June 18, 2019
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Noah Pozner, who was one of the victims in the Sandy Hook elementary school shooting in Newtown, Conn.

The dad of a Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting victim won a defamation lawsuit this week against conspiracy theorists who wrote a book claiming the 2012 shooting — in which 26 people, including 20 kids, lost their lives — never happened.

The book, “Nobody Died at Sandy Hook,” was pulled as the publisher settled claims filed by Lenny Pozner, whose 6-year-old son, Noah, was killed in the shooting.

A Wisconsin judge on Monday issued a summary judgment against the co-authors, James Fetzer and Mike Palacek. A trial to decide damages will begin in October.

The book claimed, among other things, that Noah’s death certificate was faked, said Pozner’s lawyer, Jake Zimmerman.

“If Mr. Fetzer wants to believe that Sandy Hook never happened and that we are all crisis actors, even that my son never existed, he has the right to be wrong. But he doesn’t have the right to broadcast those beliefs if they defame me or harass me,” Pozner said. “He doesn’t have the right to use my baby’s image or our name as a marketing ploy to raise donations or sell his products. He doesn’t have the right to convince others to hunt my family.”

Before Pozner’s case even reached a judge, Fetzer previously said “evidence clearly shows this wasn’t a massacre, it was a FEMA drill.”

“If you believe otherwise, then you are being played,” he added.

To prove the theorists wrong, Pozner even attached a redacted copy of his son’s death certificate to the lawsuit — and shared DNA samples to compare with those provided by the medical examiner, as evidence that Noah was his son.

He also placed his son’s birth certificate, report cards and medical records into the public file in his legal actions — to ensure that “normal people” can access the truth and don’t fall for the hoaxers’ claims.

Following the decision, the publishing company apologized to Pozner in a statement.

“My face-to-face interactions with Mr. Pozner have led me to believe that Mr. Pozner is telling the truth about the death of his son,” Dave Gahary, the principal officer at publisher Moon Rock Books, said Monday. “I extend my most heartfelt and sincere apology to the Pozner family.”

For years, hoaxers have harassed Pozner, claimed he was an actor whose son never existed — and even went so far as to send him death threats. Pozner has firmly pushed back against the conspirators, getting Facebook to remove conspiracy videos and even launching a website to debunk the theorists.

A Florida woman, Lucy Richards, who was sentenced to five months in prison for sending Pozner death threats, was banned by a judge from visiting websites run by conspiracy theorists, including Fetzer, Pozner’s lawsuit notes.

Pozner and other victims’ families earlier this year filed similar defamation lawsuits in Texas and Connecticut against Alex Jones, host of the conspiracy-driven Infowars website.

Christopher Mattei, a lawyer who represents the families in the Connecticut case against Jones, said he wants the theorists to know they are affecting real people, who are already going through severe emotional pain.

“When the grief process includes having to justify your grief or having to prove your child’s existence,” Mattei said, “it makes it very difficult.”

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Post by DejaMoo » Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:51 pm

Fortinbras wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:34 pm

https://nypost.com/2019/06/18/dad-of-sa ... theorists/

Christopher Mattei, a lawyer who represents the families in the Connecticut case against Jones, said he wants the theorists to know they are affecting real people, who are already going through severe emotional pain.
They know that. That's why they're doing it.

They're not misguided. They're cruel and heartless and looking for people to hurt. These are people who get off on hurting other people. Treating them as if they don't understand what they're doing is not only pointless, but foolish.
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Post by Orlylicious » Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:16 pm

Turtle wrote:
Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:29 pm
If he had catchall addresses set up on his domain, anyone could send anything to random @infowars and it would sit on the server if no one did anything with it. Could be millions of emails no one ever touched. And then on discovery, someone just imaged that drive and sent them the data.
I think for sure Turtle. We had something similar with celebrity websites we were producing -- idiots would send in vile stuff to the info@celebrity.com address. Our systems had those cleared and reported by business affairs, but who knows how Infowars handled those since seems most of their correspondence appears to be similarly crazy :lol: .

I don't think it was newsworthy though, there's far too much already about AJ to bring this up.
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