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Posted: **Wed Aug 25, 2021 1:58 pm**

Is this for real or are they trying to one-up the Cyber Ninjas?

Posted: **Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:56 pm**

Uninformed wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 1:58 pm Is this for real or are they trying to one-up the Cyber Ninjas?

¿Por qué no los dos?

Posted: **Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:22 pm**

Motions in Klye [sic] Rittenhouse shooting case to be argued Friday

Six weeks before the scheduled start of Kyle Rittenhouse's trial, a judge in Kenosha on Friday is set to hear arguments on a raft of motions that could shape what a jury hears.

As the Nov. 1 trial date nears, Kenosha County Circuit Judge Bruce Schroeder will decide what evidence must be shared, and what "other acts" of Rittenhouse and one of his victims can be presented to the jury.

Prosecutors want to introduce videos of Rittenhouse hitting a girl who was fighting with his sister in July 2020, and of him saying he wished he had his rifle with him so he could shoot at people he seemed to assume were stealing from a CVS drug store 15 days before the violence, and surveillance photos of Rittenhouse posing for pictures with Proud Boys members at a tavern after a court hearing in January.

The state says the CVS video shows Rittenhouse was "eager to use deadly force in an unlawful situation."

The defense says all those requests should be denied. The videos don't address what the defense says is the only issue in the case — whether Rittenhouse acted reasonably when he fired at his victims — and would only be prejudicial by leading jurors to make impermissible character inferences.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/cri ... 363104002/

Moar at the link and there are a lot of other local news sources covering this as well.

Posted: **Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:44 pm**

raison de arizona wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:22 pm
Motions in Klye [sic] Rittenhouse shooting case to be argued Friday

Six weeks before the scheduled start of Kyle Rittenhouse's trial, a judge in Kenosha on Friday is set to hear arguments on a raft of motions that could shape what a jury hears.

State motion to admit Proud Boys evidence: denied.
State motion to admit girl punching incident: denied.
Defense motion to admit Rosenbaum sex offender status: denied.
State motion requesting donor list from defense: denied
State motion for CVS video: "The events are so totally dissimilar ... I'm going to withhold a final decision with a bias toward refusing."

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/17/us/kyle- ... index.html

Posted: **Fri Sep 17, 2021 6:26 pm**

"Defense attorney Corey Chirafisi"

Who's this guy? Wasn't Rittenhouse repped by that guy that had covid? John Pierce?

Posted: **Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:00 pm**

raison de arizona wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 6:26 pm "Defense attorney Corey Chirafisi"

Who's this guy? Wasn't Rittenhouse repped by that guy that had covid? John Pierce?

IIRC Pierce withdrew when the prosecutor had evidence he was massively in debt.

Posted: **Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:05 pm**

raison de arizona wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 6:26 pm "Defense attorney Corey Chirafisi"

Who's this guy? Wasn't Rittenhouse repped by that guy that had covid? John Pierce?

The Rittenhouses fired Pierce some time ago. But Pierce was never going to be in the role of WI criminal defense attorney handling the case. That has been Mark Richards. Chirafisi was added to the team somewhat later.

https://www.insider.com/kyle-rittenhous ... ing-2021-5

Posted: **Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:14 pm**

“Prosecutors can’t show Kyle Rittenhouse’s link to Proud Boys: Judge”:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2021 ... boys-judge

Posted: **Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:03 am**

I'm not super thrilled with the rulings in this case yesterday. I've seen way too many (lower profile, to be sure) cases where judges are happy to let prosecutors bring in the kitchen sink against a defendant and relevance be damned. To my mind, the Proud Boys connection is an own-goal on Rittenhouse's part and should have come in. He has knowingly chosen to associate with that group while his case is pending, and cannot possibly be unaware of the negative connotations of that affiliation. To the extent that such information might prejudice or inflame the jury against him, he has only himself to blame. Newsflash to defendants in racially-charged homicide cases: Don't pal around with white supremacists after you've been charged.

All that being said, there is definitely going to be an appeal if Rittenhouse is convicted of anything, and I can't entirely fault the trial judge for wanting to try this case only once. His rulings yesterday closed off several potentially fruitful avenues to overturn a guilty verdict and get a new trial. This is especially so with a majority of the Wisconsin Supreme Court occupied by right-wing partisan hacks. There may be a calculation here by a trial judge that he needs to give Rittenhouse the benefit of every doubt to avoid getting nuked from orbit on appeal. Again, that's frustrating to me as the lowly public defender, because my clients who don't have the benefit of publicity and a large base of sympathizers racists publicly supporting them never get these kinds of rulings.

I've been saying from the outset that jury selection is going to be absolutely crucial to this trial. That opinion has not changed. I don't necessarily even think that these rulings make it more likely Rittenhouse is acquitted. I'm just irritated by the disparity when I compare this case to others I have seen/litigated where there was far less public attention.

Posted: **Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:12 am**

fierceredpanda wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:03 am
I've been saying from the outset that jury selection is going to be absolutely crucial to this trial. That opinion has not changed. I don't necessarily even think that these rulings make it more likely Rittenhouse is acquitted. I'm just irritated by the disparity when I compare this case to others I have seen/litigated where there was far less public attention.

100 percent.

Posted: **Sat Sep 18, 2021 1:41 pm**

fierceredpanda wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:03 am To my mind, the Proud Boys connection is an own-goal on Rittenhouse's part and should have come in. He has knowingly chosen to associate with that group while his case is pending, and cannot possibly be unaware of the negative connotations of that affiliation. To the extent that such information might prejudice or inflame the jury against him, he has only himself to blame. Newsflash to defendants in racially-charged homicide cases: Don't pal around with white supremacists after you've been charged.

Note this is disputed. The defense denies he knew those people were Proud Boys or knew anything about the Proud Boys when he associated with them. Remember their position is that he is innocent of any extremist ideology.

No one has to believe them, of course, but that is their position. The New Yorker piece has an account of how these interactions came about which is consistent with this idea, presumably obtained from people on his side.

For myself, I think it more of an own-goal by his handlers to allow this to happen.

Posted: **Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:05 pm**

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Posted: **Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:03 pm**

Also, Lin wants the bail money back.

Posted: **Wed Sep 22, 2021 3:48 am**

This is like the Browns playing Pittsburgh, its a shame someone will probably win.

Posted: **Wed Sep 22, 2021 9:15 am**

Gregg wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 3:48 am This is like the Browns playing Pittsburgh, its a shame someone will probably win.

Posted: **Sat Sep 25, 2021 12:09 am**

Lin Wood posts about the bail funds on Telegram. Seems complicated.

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Lin Wood, [24.09.21 10:39]
Simple truths are simple TRUTH.

Simple Truth: “No good deed goes unpunished.”

Deep State shills are once again making false accusations about my efforts on behalf of #FightBack Foundation suggesting that I “profited” off the Rittenhouse family.

#FightBack voluntarily sought to help Kyle Rittenhouse with his criminal defense costs and fees as part of its mission to advocate for the Bill of Rights which includes the right of self-defense and the right to bear arms.

#FightBack ceased its efforts for Kyle at the end of November 2020 at the request of attorney John Pierce who was representing Kyle. This request from Pierce came shortly after #FightBack posted the $2M cash bail for Kyle from donations made to the foundation.

I am not a criminal lawyer and I did not represent Kyle in connection with the criminal charges against him. NO fees were paid to me for my efforts to help Kyle on behalf of #FightBack. Attorney fees were paid to other lawyers engaged by the Rittenhouse family for Kyle’s defense.

As you can see from the spreadsheet below, #FightBack paid out more for Kyle than donations received for Kyle.

Facts are stubborn things.

Deep State shills never let the TRUTH get in their way as they are paid to smear with lies.

#FightBack complies with ALL laws, rules, & regulations applicable to 501(c)(4) non-profit foundations. The foundation’s 2020 financials have been independently audited and its tax filings are public record.

The public has the right to choose whether to believe the documented facts or the unsupported lies.

Choose wisely.

Lin Wood, [24.09.21 10:39]
[ Photo ] -- above

Lin Wood, [24.09.21 10:55]
In November, attorney John Pierce informed #FightBack that the funds for Kyle’s bail could not be wired to the clerk of court. He requested that #FightBack wire the $2M to his law firm’s trust account so that he could pay the bail amount with a certified check. #FightBack sent the funds as requested and Kyle was released on bail.

Pierce thereafter made the request that #FightBack cease its efforts to help Kyle. #FightBack complied with this request.

#FightBack subsequently learned that when Pierce paid the bail, he requested that the clerk return the bail proceeds to him at his home address. #FightBack also learned that Pierce was attempting to borrow money for himself, pledging the bail money as collateral. Pierce undertook these acts AFTER he had executed a legal document admitting the he had no claim to the bail funds.

#FightBack filed a notice with the clerk of court that the bail funds were to be returned to #FightBack, the entity which posted the bail, as required by law.

It is clear now that there are a number of rats in the Rittenhouse woodpile. #FightBack is not one of them. Neither am I.

There is more. Stay with me.

Lin Wood, [24.09.21 11:19]
After #FightBack ceased its efforts for Kyle as requested by John Pierce, it appears that certain individuals formed an entity, FreeKyleUSA, to raise money allegedly for Kyle’s criminal defense fees and expenses.

#FightBack has NO affiliation with FreeKyleUSA.

#FightBack learned that an individual connected with FreeKyleUSA illegally obtained the #FightBack list of donor email addresses and then solicited donations for FreeKyleUSA from the #FightBack email list. These unlawful acts have been documented.

This person is David Hancock.

Hancock is a Deep State shill and a documented conman who has been obsessed (likely in return for considerable compensation) with falsely attacking me and #FightBack with social media posts and websites under a variety of pseudo-names.

Hancock has also been linked to Nicole J. Wade, Jonathan D. Grunberg, and G. Taylor Wilson, the lawyers who filed a frivolous legal claim against me containing allegations clearly intended to smear me. You remember Wade, Grunberg, & Wilson. They were the lawyers who failed to show up for their depositions in an effort to avoid being cross-examined under oath about their lawsuit and their connections with a variety of suspect individuals.

The Deep State is really, really deep.

Individuals who work for or with the Deep State are not good people.

I pray for them.

Lin
www.FightBack.law

https://strikebackforfreedom.com

Lin Wood, [24.09.21 11:45]
Brian Cates is a Deep State shill.

Brian Cates is also a liar. He has NEVER spoken with me to learn the TRUTH.

I have NO clients rotting in jail. I do not practice criminal law. And I do not barnstorm the country seeking donations.

#FightBack tried to help Kyle Rittenhouse. What did Brian do? Nothing.

Do the research.
Connect the dots.
Draw your own conclusions.

I pray for Brian Cates.

Lin

Lin Wood, [24.09.21 11:45]
[Forwarded from Brian Cates - Political Columnist (Brian Cates)]
About the Rittenhouse defense fund fiasco: if Lin Wood wants to shift all the blame onto John Pierce, he can do that. Pierce has been trying to get his hands on that bail money for awhile now. Next time as Wood or Pierce are barnstorming around the country soliciting donations as their clients rot in jail, i would encourage them to be very clear with the donors where those donations are going. It’s not being donated to the clients; it’s being donated to the lawyers, and it’s now the lawyers money and it always will be, through their awesome foundation. Wood can use all the clever bullshit words he wants. FightBack Foundation is his creation, he controls it. He and Pierce are now fighting over control of the $2 million that was donated to FightBack. They deserve each other.

Lin Wood, [24.09.21 11:57]
Hey, Brian, I was working with #FightBack to get Kyle out of jail. We were successful.

You really need to learn the facts before you report. Or maybe your reporting is not based on facts.

You also might want to learn the law on 501(c)(4) foundations.

I do not “control” #FightBack. The foundation is controlled by its Board of Directors. Two of the Board members are tax attorneys.

#FightBack adheres to the law.

I cannot say the same about you and your reporting(?).

But I forgive you, Brian. For you know not what you do and for whom you do it. Knowingly or unknowingly, you work for the enemy.

That is why I pray for you, Brian.

And I also wish you good luck, Brian.

Lin Wood, [24.09.21 11:57]
[Forwarded from Brian Cates - Discussion Group]
Lin Wood filed through FightBack to get the $2 million bail money back because Pierce is trying to steal it. But Wood doesn’t want talk about how he’s now in conflict with Pierce over this money, so he pretends he has nothing to do with FightBack filing to get the money, like he’s some kind of bystander. He’s not a spectator here. And if you don’t have a problem with Wood and Pierce leaving Kyle in jail while they traveled around the country fundraising for themselves while giving the donors the impression they were supporting the Rittenhouse family, well I do have problem with that. Agree to disagree.

Lin Wood, [24.09.21 12:37]
The Deep State attacks on me started in January and February of 2020 just before President Trump asked to meet with me on March 11. They have continued since that time through the present with increasing intensity.

My discernment has grown since over the last many months as I discovered that many individuals who associated themselves with me turned out to be working for the enemy.

The enemy is the deceiver of deceivers. The enemy will disguise himself as a “friend” who is really your enemy. The “friend” uses the credibility of the “friendship” with you to lend false credibility to the false attacks later launched against you.

Cathy “Diebold/Dominion” Cox, the former Dean of Mercer Law School, is one of many who fooled me to later attack me. Cathy Cox is a Communist. There are many in the same category as Commie Cathy. In time, they will ALL be revealed.

Communists infiltrate your personal life and all aspects of society - schools, churches, “charitable” organizations. media, businesses, and government.

How do you think they take us over without firing a shot?

Communism is rooted in satanism. Communists are the enemy.

The enemy falsely attacks the messenger because the enemy cannot attack the message. The enemy cannot attack the TRUTH so the enemy attacks the truth-giver.

I pray each day to the Father in the name of the Son that I be blessed with increased discernment.

The enemy is everywhere. But God is everywhere too. And God has ALL the power. He defeated the enemy at Calvary.

God fights our battles for us. On his timing, God reveals the enemy to us. And again on His timing, God renders judgment against the enemy. God gets the eye for an eye and the tooth for a tooth.

To His children, “Fear the Lord” means to worship Him and obey Him. To the enemy, “Fear the Lord” means to fear the Lord. The enemy should be very, very afraid of the Lord.

That is why we pray for our enemies.

Just sayin.”

Posted: **Sat Sep 25, 2021 12:18 am**

As you can see from the spreadsheet below, #FightBack paid out more for Kyle than donations received for Kyle.

IANAA, but the way I read this there is $607,878.98 worth of 'donations' that are unaccounted for.

Just sayin'

Posted: **Sat Sep 25, 2021 2:19 am**

Lock 'em in a dark room and toss in a few loaded handguns. Then do like you do for microwave popcorn, when the sound of shots fired, or popcorn popping, stops, open the door. With any luck they'll kill each other.

Posted: **Sat Sep 25, 2021 12:56 pm**

Gregg wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 2:19 am Lock 'em in a dark room and toss in a few loaded handguns. Then do like you do for microwave popcorn, when the sound of shots fired, or popcorn popping, stops, open the door. With any luck they'll kill each other.

Not pistols, tridents and gladiuses

Posted: **Sat Sep 25, 2021 2:46 pm**

gladii, second declension masculine nominative plural

Although perhaps gladioli would be as good a weapon for them.

Posted: **Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:14 pm**

Might be too obscure but had a laugh seeing her again... we had such fun at her shows. Wave that Glad!

Dame Edna Everage Gladdie Time Pink Gladiolus by Jock Mooneywork-43118306-primary-w-tank-racerback.jpg
DAME EDNA EVERAGE GLADDIE TIME PINK GLADIOLUS

Posted: **Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:59 pm**

Sam the Centipede wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 2:46 pm gladii, second declension masculine nominative plural

Although perhaps gladioli would be as good a weapon for them.

Wait...I was supposed to remember the Latin I was taught in Catholic school????

Posted: **Sat Sep 25, 2021 10:28 pm**

Frater I*I wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:59 pm
Sam the Centipede wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 2:46 pm gladii, second declension masculine nominative plural

Although perhaps gladioli would be as good a weapon for them.
Wait...I was supposed to remember the Latin I was taught in Catholic school????

Bene, mea culpa, te absolvo.

Posted: **Sat Sep 25, 2021 11:35 pm**

I've been stupid busy the last couple days, but as the resident Wisconsin criminal lawyer here, I want to point out that actually (and it gives me absolutely no pleasure to say this) Lin Wood is in the right with the letters to the court regarding the bond money. Assuming bond is not forfeited (including some amount used to pay court costs and/or restitution in the event Rittenhouse is convicted), Wisconsin law requires that bond money be returned to the person or persons who posted it. So yeah, Lin Wood's organization should get their money back. And if you think about it, it would be perverse in the extreme if it were to be otherwise and Rittenhouse stood to be enriched to the tune of $2 million whenever the case concluded.

In fact, although I never did this while I was in private practice, it is quite common for defense lawyers to file letters with the court - countersigned by the client of course - requesting that a specific amount of the client's bond be returned to the lawyer and not to whomever posted it, as a way for the lawyer to obtain some security for a retainer that has not been paid in full. Again, not something I ever did, but not at all an uncommon occurrence.

Posted: **Sun Sep 26, 2021 1:08 am**

I kind of thought whoever paid the bond should be who its returned to, I just hated to be in the position of favoring Lin Wood for anything. If a civil suit is filed against him, can that money be held against that?

Fogbow

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