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Post by Orlylicious » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:18 am

And yet, Donald's in the white house and Big Bill Barr is the AG. Maybe they'll try! That's what's so damned creepy about all this. Miki Booth would like 2020 to be a "Birther Renaissance", they should arrange events and get going, the marks are starting to get locked in.

One great thing about Parler, where Miki posts now (and hopefully all of them soon), is that you can't even read messages unless you're logged in to their clunky, tracker filled, overloaded, site. So it's really self censorship at it's best, yet they can enjoy the company of like minded racists and idiots. As long as a few LEOs are in the mix, it really seems like a perfect solution. PPSimmons should move to Parler. And why didn't Mike Zullo ever have social media? Luddite or delusional sense of importance?
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P&E: Who Placed Illegal Material on Alex Jones’s Server?:
WAS IT “THE DEEP STATE”?
No. Continuing:
On Friday, Infowars host Alex Jones declared a $1,000,000 reward for anyone with information leading to the individual who allegedly “planted” illegal material on his server.

* * *

On Monday The Post & Email spoke with Obama birth certificate lead investigator Mike Zullo about Jones’s claims regarding the illicit material found on his server. As the birth certificate probe was ongoing, Zullo interacted extensively with a confidential informant to the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office (MCSO), Dennis Montgomery, between early 2014 and early 2015.

A former NSA and CIA contractor, in late 2013, Montgomery approached then-Sheriff Joseph Arpaio to say that he possessed evidence showing that the bank accounts of approximately 150,000 Maricopa County residents had been compromised by a government agency. Arpaio responded by hiring Montgomery to organize the data he claimed to have so as to determine whether or not a crime or crimes had been committed against his constituents.

Eventually, Zullo played a major role in convincing Montgomery to inform a federal judge of the evidence he had accumulated and later, the FBI. Represented by Atty. Larry Klayman, Montgomery testified to Judge Royce C. Lamberth, who then headed the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) tasked with granting or denying government requests to conduct surveillance on American citizens, as in the more recent case of former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page.

Zullo said that Montgomery’s evidence showed that a number of prominent Americans, including Donald Trump, Alex Jones, the judge overseeing Arpaio’s trial and more than 150 other federal judges were the subjects of government surveillance conducted between 2001 and 2010 without a search warrant.

Through transcripts of closed-door interviews in connection with the Trump-Russia “collusion” investigation released in recent weeks, the public has learned that at least some members of Congress are aware of Montgomery’s having provided the material to the FBI.

In a number of interviews with Carl Gallups of “Freedom Friday” dating back several years, Zullo said that the FBI “deep-sixxed” Montgomery’s information, about which Montgomery had testified twice under DOJ-granted production and testimonial immunity.

On Monday, Zullo told The Post & Email exclusively:
Zullo wrote:If you go back, Carl Gallups and I reported that a confidential informant to the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office, Dennis Montgomery, is on an audio recording made, I believe, at the end of 2013. It was released during the 2015 federal proceeding against the sheriff and made public (which never should have been). On the recording, Montgomery was describing to me what an individual can do who possessed the technology and the information he has, and the direct response from Montgomery was that they would send an email and embed links to child pornography.

In a conversation that ensued after the taped interview, Montgomery actually did tell me that the way they do it is they send an email; that email opens up to embedded links that have other embedded links to them and creates a trail that makes it look as if your computer keystrokes were looking for those pictures and you were actively engaged in viewing them.

That is something that the government could do; so could any other individual who was in that part of the government that no longer works for the government who would have retained the knowledge and know-how to embed those emails. In Alex Jones’s case, it was just a matter of time before somebody tried to do this.

I am cautiously optimistic that the FBI will pursue this with a moral law-enforcement standard, although I am not too hopeful because of the Deep State operatives who are still embedded in these agencies. The other thing is that it was Montgomery who also verified to me by three other NSA sources, William Binney being one of them, that our government has the ability to breach a computer system anywhere in the world and make it look as if another country did it. So this whole thing with Russia “hacking” is still extremely suspect.

If you recall, in 2016 the state of Georgia’s voter rolls were breached and there was no camouflage at that point; it went right back to our intelligence agencies. While it appeared to be DHS, it could have been DIA, NSA, or anybody doing it using that IP address. So this stuff is diabolical; it is a threat to national security and national sovereignty, because you can’t be a sovereign nation when everybody knows your business.

The controversy around Montgomery was the documentation he provided. In my federal testimony under oath, under penalty of perjury, I actually came out and said that not all of his info was garbage; some of it was creditable. These were some of the things I was referring to in that trial. No one dug any deeper, so I wasn’t going to volunteer anything.
The Post & Email asked Zullo why then-Sheriff Joseph Arpaio had characterized Montgomery’s material as “junk” during the trial, to which Zullo responded, “The sheriff knows only what he was briefed. Senior-level investigators were conducting that investigation and for six months, I was not part of it. I came back in later. Upon my review of the information to send it under subpoena to the federal court, I discovered information provided to us by Dennis Montgomery that actually was verifiable. And I did verify it.

“So what the sheriff was referring to as ‘junk’ for purposes of the identity theft portion of Montgomery’s information, he was told that, but the truth is it wasn’t junk. If you knew what you were looking at, you could make the determination that there’s credibility to some level on this information he provided.

“The sheriff knows only what he was told. Had I been there during that part, he would have gotten a different story. There were identities stolen of Maricopa County residents.”
Lying sack of shit Zullo is lying: Here's Zullo's testimony (thank you, again, Tes!) from Arpaio's trial:
Zullo wrote:Jumping ahead, once we open up the drives and realized they were nothing -- there was nothing there, I got on the phone with Mr. Montgomery and I made one statement to him. I said: Dennis, today is a very, very bad day for you. And his reply to me was: Can we work this out?

Now I knew that he had intentionally given the Sheriff's Office 60 worthless drives. There was just nothing of value on those things.
Arpaio under oath in court said they junk; Zullo under oath in court said they were junk. But now Zullo to Rondeau says they weren't junk.
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I’m Shocked!!

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bob wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:21 pm
P&E: Who Placed Illegal Material on Alex Jones’s Server?:
WAS IT “THE DEEP STATE”?
No.
I say it was montgomery he is a special highly skilled hacker after all. :dance:

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1 Amero (or a trophy) to anyone who can get Mike Zullo's truthful statement in the comments at P&E :lol: 8-)

"But Mrs. Rondeau, When Commander Zullo was testifying in court, this is what he said. Has something changed? Zullo testified:

Zullo wrote:

"Jumping ahead, once we open up the drives and realized they were nothing -- there was nothing there, I got on the phone with Mr. Montgomery and I made one statement to him. I said: Dennis, today is a very, very bad day for you. And his reply to me was: Can we work this out?

"Now I knew that he had intentionally given the Sheriff's Office 60 worthless drives. There was just nothing of value on those things."
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Orlylicious wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:07 pm
1 Amero (or a trophy) to anyone who can get Mike Zullo's truthful statement in the comments at P&E
:fingerwag: :

P&E comments:
Dennis Becker* wrote:“The other thing is that it was Montgomery who also verified to me by three other NSA sources, William Binney being one of them,”

The other two NSA sources were Thomas Drake and Kirk Wiebe. Zullo mentioned them in testimony in the Arpaio contempt trial.

Zullo. Just to jump ahead for you so you understand the mindset that was here, I located the NSA people that actually built the harvesting software. And what had happened was I was out of this —

Q. And who were they?

Zullo. “That’s Kurt [sic] Wiebe, Thomas Drake. Thomas Drake I think was prosecuted. William Binney. “

[skip]

Zullo. “We took those hard drives. The following morning after our arrival we met with Mr. Binney, Mr. Drake, at the airport coffee shop. I think it was in Maryland. And ultimately we ended up at Mr. Wiebe’s home and we started plugging in the hard drives.”
Rondeau wrote:Source?
Some jerk** left a comment expressly referencing Arpaio's trial; Rondeau knows the source. Unsurprisingly, Rondeau didn't approve that comment.


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A long Twitter thread from a Montgomery fangirl:

E.g.:
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P&E comments:
Dennis Becker wrote:Sorry, I should have told you the official trial transcript is available from Pacer’s website. You have to have an account and it is not free.

But there is a free link here:

https://tesibria.typepad.com/wye/the-mc ... -2015.html

You have to scroll down past the part where he plead the fifth or do a word search for Binney.

Zullo. “We took those hard drives. The following morning after our arrival we met with Mr. Binney, Mr. Drake, at the airport coffee shop. I think it was in Maryland. And ultimately we ended up at Mr. Wiebe’s home and we started plugging in the hard drives. Detective Mackiewicz, the night before, ate something and had food poisoning. He was really, really ill. So he was pretty much curled up on the couch kind of one-eyeing everything that was going on. And I opened up the box. We took the drive. I stood there as we plugged every drive in, so these drives are never out of our control. And it didn’t take them long to start saying: This is nonsense. There’s no origin. There’s no nothing here. You don’t know what any of this is. None of this is worth anything. And ultimately, that’s how every drive, it was determined there wasn’t anything of any value on the drive.”

Q. Are you finished with your answer?

Zullo. “Well, I might as well just tell you the whole story so you could just stay me later with it.”
[ * * * ]
Hamilton Nash* wrote:This is confusing.

Were the hard drives that Zullo testified were worthless, the same hard drives Montgomery gave to the FBI?
:notworthy: :

P&E: Exclusive: Montgomery’s Hard Drives Not Sole Data Given to Zullo:
“INFORMATION…WASN’T RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC”

On Tuesday, The Post & Email published an article titled, “Who Placed Illegal Material on Alex Jones’s Server?” detailing recent claims made by Jones’s attorney and attorneys for Sandy Hook plaintiffs suing Jones for alleged defamation.

[ * * * ]

Our coverage of the dispute between the attorneys for both sides featured an interview with Obama birth certificate lead investigator Mike Zullo, who several years ago supervised a former intelligence-community contractor, Dennis Montgomery after he was hired as a confidential informant for the Maricopa County, AZ Sheriff’s Office (MCSO). During the course of his work, Montgomery told Zullo that the implantation of pornographic material with the intent of making it appear that a user sought out, downloaded and viewed child pornography could become a technique of former government contractors seeking to harm a particular individual or individuals.

[ * * * ]

During the 2015 civil trial in the case of Melendres in which Arpaio was a named defendant, presiding U.S. District Court Judge G. Murray Snow ordered Montgomery’s work product to be turned over to his custody, and confidential recordings among Montgomery, Arpaio, Zullo and businessman Tim Blixseth were made public.

On a number of radio shows between 2015 and present-day, Zullo said that despite Arpaio’s characterization of Montgomery’s work product as “junk” during court testimony, some of the data Montgomery provided was, in fact, “verifiable.” Further, Zullo said, “I did verify it.” The information, Zullo said, including during two 2017 appearances on Jones’s show, related to warrantless government surveillance of prominent businessmen, including Donald Trump; more than 150 federal judges, including two members of the U.S. Supreme Court as well as Snow; Jones and Zullo.

In 2015, Montgomery testified about the data to U.S. District Court Judge Royce C. Lamberth [ :roll: ], who was then head of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC). In November of that year, Montgomery testified to the FBI under both production and testimonial immunity represented by Atty. Larry Klayman.

On November 12 and 13, 2015, Zullo testified in Melendres that data Montgomery provided stored on numerous hard drives to Arpaio’s office was determined to be “worthless” (p. 158 in transcript below) by two former NSA officials, Thomas Drake and William Binney.

The 206-page transcript containing Zullo’s sworn testimony is here: 5th Amend Melendres, et al., v. Arpaio, et al., Evidentiary Hearing Day 19(1)

On Wednesday morning, commenter “Dennis Becker” submitted [comments] to our Alex Jones article[. Comments and Zullo's testimony :snippity: .]

On Thursday morning, The Post & Email spoke with Zullo about the apparent discrepancy between his November 2015 testimony and his later claim that Montgomery had produced information which he was able to verify. In response, he revealed to The Post & email exclusively:
Information turned over to the court wasn’t released to the public. In addition, in my testimony I kept alluding to everything Montgomery was giving us. The litigators from Covington & Burling were focused on the 47 hard drives, but prior to receiving those 47 hard drives — and I was not part of the investigation when that took place[**] — Montgomery gave us other information on thumb drives. That information proved to be creditable[***] on different levels.

To explain that, when you have the identities of 151,000 people and your sampling, through investigative analysis, proves that that information is accurate but the bank account information does not appear to be known by those victims, that is verified identity information. The bank account information, however, led to another line of inquiry that actually pointed to bank fraud on major levels reminiscent of the HSBC scandal. Montgomery didn’t know he possessed that; he didn’t know what it was. Through investigation, I determined what it was, and that gave credibility to Montgomery: the fact that he had collected information at some point in time when he was working for the federal government and didn’t know what it was. He just knew he had it. So there was other information that wasn’t the focus of the plaintiffs’ litigators, and I was not going to divulge anything unless I was actually asked the question. The reason is that I had no legal representation; there was no one as my advocate or from the sheriff’s office to clarify issues during my testimony.

To sum it up, Montgomery did give us information early on that was creditable. The 47 hard drives were garbage. But if you look at my testimony, I said before they were analyzed that they were going to be garbage.

What’s important is that things that were going on at the government level and Montgomery’s recollection of events is all being exposed today. So he does have a story to tell. Where the truth is and the truth ends is yet to be determined.

I’m not an advocate for Dennis Montgomery. I’m an advocate for truth and upholding the law, and I believe that Montgomery has some vital information that he could share. Just as any other investigator will ever tell you, when you work with confidential informants, it’s not because they’re altar boys. People don’t become confidential informants who are altar boys.

Part of the investigator’s job is to sift through the lies and find the truth, and there is some truth to what Montgomery said and the information he provided. It’s being borne out in the news today; what you’re reading about today we knew about in 2013 and 2014.
So Zullo now says the 47 hard drives from Montgomery were garbage. But when asked previously why Arpaio testified they were junk, Zullo acknowledged they were junk -- but junk only for some purposes (limited-purpose junk?). When caught in that lie, Zullo now invents supersekrit thumb drives from Montgomery that were totally reliable because Super Detective Zullo determined they contained relevant data that Master Spy Montgomery couldn't decode!

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** What a fuckin' liar! Zullo expressly testified about how the 47 hard drives were such great evidence that he couldn't let them out of his sight! That's why they drove to Seattle, instead of flying (and shipping the drives).

*** "Creditable" and "credible" aren't really synonymous; the editor of this "newspaper" should be sacked.
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Post by Orlylicious » Thu Jun 20, 2019 7:23 pm

On a number of radio shows between 2015 and present-day, Zullo said that despite Arpaio’s characterization of Montgomery’s work product as “junk” during court testimony, some of the data Montgomery provided was, in fact, “verifiable.” Further, Zullo said, “I did verify it.
Is he talking about the Steele dossier? :lol:

That pretzel twist is about as ridiculous as Zullo has ever gotten yet Rharon seems to be typing with a straight face. I got a nice laugh so thank you Bob and birfers!
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I'll catch the archive tomorrow. :smoking:
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Post by Reality Check » Fri Jun 21, 2019 6:47 pm

:bigvomit:
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Post by Foggy » Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:03 am

There's an Obama fraud case? :confused:
I put the 'fun' in dysfunctional.

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Post by bob » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:24 am

Foggy wrote:
Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:03 am
There's an Obama fraud case?
Hey now: Gallups is a third correct (there's an Obama); that's better than his usual average.
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Post by bob » Sat Jun 22, 2019 3:30 pm

I'm listening to the archive now, but Rondeau beat me to it. :torches:

P&E: Zullo: Deep-State Ideologues Believe “Anyone Can Be President of the United States”:
“THE ENDS JUSTIFY THE MEANS”

On the June 21 “Freedom Friday” show, Carl Gallups hosted Obama birth certificate investigator Mike Zullo to discuss the “Deep State,” the “Russia” investigation, the “fake” birth certificate said to represent Obama’s original Hawaii birth record posted at whitehouse.gov in April 2011, and “the media behind it all.”

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“Now that we have the Mueller report and the Steele dossier and a FISA court being lied to by government law enforcement…why can people not believe that the Obama administration took a day or two to make a fake birth certificate to make that issue go away?” Gallups asked Zullo at 12:33.

“Just think about it: these people are brazen enough to try to take down a sitting United States president for no other reason than they didn’t like the outcome of an election, and to them a birth certificate is nothing more than a piece of paper,” Zullo responded. “It has no significance. Their ideology says, basically, that anyone is a citizen of anywhere and anyone can be president of the United States; actually factually incorrect, but that’s their mindset and that’s what they believe, and for them, the ends justify the means.”
I infer this going to be yet another multi-article screamer. :waiting:
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Post by tek » Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:11 pm

why can people not believe that the Obama administration took a day or two to make a fake birth certificate to make that issue go away?
Because we're not stupid?

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Post by Grumpy Old Guy » Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:47 pm

tek wrote:
Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:11 pm
why can people not believe that the Obama administration took a day or two to make a fake birth certificate to make that issue go away?
Because we're not stupid?

Just spitballin' here.
Pfft! Soros’ people don’t need that long to fake a birth certificate, alter old microfiche for two newspapers and plant false memories with people who were allegedly working in that hospital and now claim to remember a white teenage woman having a black baby at the alleged time.

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tek wrote:
Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:11 pm
why can people not believe that the Obama administration took a day or two to make a fake birth certificate to make that issue go away?
Because we're not stupid?

Just spitballin' here.
:rotflmao: :yeah:
I think one could make a good case that Gallups and Zullo are mentally ill.
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Post by bob » Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:52 pm

So I listened to the archives. Gallups opens with ... a rant about his Facebook bane. :yawn: Zullo: "The Deep State hates Christianity and the truth." :yawn: Whiny persecution complex.

Gallups eats time by telling stories about his fawning admirers. (Airports are full of Gallups fans, it would appear.) :roll: Then the usual :yankyank: (these two need to just get it over with and shack up already). And then the usual projection.

[First break.]

Now Gallups :yankyank: 's Rondeau, references her recent "porn on Alex Jones' server" article. [N.b.: This is the article in which Zullo lied about Montgomery's 47 hard drives (the 47 in the MCSO's evidence locker, not the 47 in the FBI's basement).]

Old Dennis Montgomery war stories. :yawn: Zullo's pissed that his precious interview with Montgomery was released by Cecillia Wang (yes, he namechecks her!) -- it wasn't the court that released it! [Was there a protective order, "counselor"?] [Gallups and Zullo "forgot" to mention that people e-mailed porn to Jones; there was no supersekit insertion, a la Montgomery's bragging.]

[Second break.]

Gallups said Montgomery worked during Obama's administration [which is basically a lie]. Zullo reports that U.S. government was spying on the current president, SCOTUS Chief, Michael Savage, and ... Alex Jones! DUN DUN DUN!

Now they're discussing (around) Zullo's recent "exclusive" with Rondeau. :yankyank:

Zullo: The feds never raided the MSCO because of the birth certificate! Mueller knows where all the birth-certificate bodies are buried!

At the first (or second?) MCSO press conference, the press was there, not to report, but to stream it to the D.C. (the FBI specifically)! :roll:

Gallups: "If the president wasn't elected in 2016, Arpaio, Zullo, and Gallups would be in jail! Which is why the Derp State is after Gallups now!"

Zullo: "'They' are worried about that document!" [Who? Mueller? Comey? Brennan? Rosenstein? All of the Above?]

Gallups: "Don't listen to this show and call Carl Gallups and Mike Zullo tin-foil nuts!" :lol:

Zullo: "In the coming months, the tables will be flipped on the rats leaving the sinking ship!" [Cool mixed metaphor, bro.]

FIIIINNALLY about Rondeau's article: Yes, Montgomery's 47 hard drives were worthless. But delicious, delicious thumb drives (that were given to the court). But no one wanted to talk about the thumb drives ... because everyone's too a-scared!

Yes, Arpaio said the hard drives were junk, but Zullo knew that some of Montgomery's other data was verifiable! [Zullo is changing his tune; it used to be that they were "junk only for some purposes."]

[Next break.]

Zullo's just telling fantasies about how it all goes beyond Obama, but to ... foreign powers! Like the Brits and the Steele dossier! "There will be the fight of all fights in the coming year!" And Gallups spinning his grand conspiracy theory.

Now Gallups references another Rondeau article! (This time, her bitter rant about the media's ignoring birthers.) Zullo: "Nobody's covering this, and people think we're jokers for even talking about it!"

Gallups: "It's Obama's fault that Iran just shot down out drone."

The closer: Zullo's usual "victory" lap.

Gallups: "There are 'things' in the Mueller report that prove we've been right all along." [Such as?]

[Next break.]

Zullo's out; Gallups' son up. Does an extended Cassandra rant. :roll:

* * *

As expected, there was nothing new. (Because there is nothing new.) But the usual bullshit and buster. And mutual stroking of egos. Six years later, and they're still declaring victory. Still, they were quite animated.

Before, I used to listen for what they said (or didn't say); clues about their latest activities. But the "glory" days are behind them, so now I listen just for how they say it -- their wild enthusiasm, overly righteous anger, unironic projection, smug arrogance. For clues on whether they're true believers, or just grifters willing to say whatever.
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Post by Estiveo » Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:53 pm

Reality Check wrote:
Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:48 pm
tek wrote:
Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:11 pm
why can people not believe that the Obama administration took a day or two to make a fake birth certificate to make that issue go away?
Because we're not stupid?

Just spitballin' here.
:rotflmao: :yeah:
I think one could make a good case that Gallups and Zullo are mentally ill.
I thought that was a given.
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Post by Reality Check » Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:57 pm

Estiveo wrote:
Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:53 pm
I thought that was a given.
Yep, and I should include Rondeau. :dazed:
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Post by bob » Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:50 pm

P&E: Zullo: “Deep-State” Mueller’s FBI Declined to Investigate “Phony” Birth Certificate:
IGNORED EVIDENCE OF CRIMINALITY, DEFENDED GOVERNMENT SURVEILLANCE

During the June 21 edition of the “Freedom Friday” radio show, former Maricopa County, AZ “Cold Case Posse” leader Mike Zullo reminded host Carl Gallups’s audience that former Special Counsel/former FBI Director Robert Mueller “defended” the NSA’s widespread, warrantless surveillance of American citizens in June 2013, the same month former CIA contractor Edward Snowden publicly revealed the depth and breadth of the NSA’s capabilities.

Friday’s hour-long interview touched on numerous topics, including the “Mueller report” on alleged “collusion” between the 2016 Trump campaign and the Kremlin; government spying; Facebook’s censoring of the “Freedom Friday” show; sinister computer intrusions, including those likely committed against “Infowars” host Alex Jones; the forgery of Obama’s purported “long-form” birth certificate as determined by Zullo’s 5+-year investigation; and President Trump’s role in spurring its release in 2011 as he publicly challenged Obama’s constitutional eligibility to serve as president.

* * *

The first portion of the interview invoked the “Deep State,” consisting of entrenched government employees who overstep their authority and violate Americans’ constitutional rights. Many Americans now attribute the “Deep State” to an attempted coup against the Trump administration, and Attorney General William Barr has pledged to unearth the origins of the Trump-Russia “collusion” probe launched by the FBI and assumed by Mueller. After 22 months and $35 million spent, Mueller’s team concluded that there was insufficient evidence demonstrating a conspiracy between members of the Trump campaign and the Russian government to impact the 2016 presidential election.

During the discussion, Gallups drew a connection between the “Russia” investigation and the creation of the fraudulent birth certificate image. “Now that we have the Mueller report and the Steele dossier and a FISA court being lied to by government law enforcement…why can people not believe that the Obama administration took a day or two to make a fake birth certificate to make that issue go away?” Gallups asked Zullo (12:55 in podcast).

At 16:30 Gallups opened the topic of Montgomery’s revelations made to the MCSO in 2013 regarding government surveillance. “It could actually implant software that then would be undetected and could be programmed to pull information out and send it back to whatever government entity wanted it at any given time, completely undetected,” Zullo said Montgomery told him (12:15).

Recordings of Montgomery’s discussions with Zullo and MCSO personnel were released to the public by an ACLU attorney, Cecillia Wang, during the 2015 civil trial of Arpaio and other county defendants, Zullo reminded the audience. “What could you do with this kind of information?” Zullo quoted himself as having asked Montgomery at the time of the conversation, to which Montgomery responded, “I can destroy you. I can implant, through emails, child pornography on your computer and make it look like you were surfing the web for porn.”

“We know that the government actually did it and could do it, and we knew it years ago,” Gallups responded, punctuating the segment with, “This is the reason why Facebook won’t let us post this site. The Deep State hates this program, but there ain’t nothin’ they can do about it!” (21:48)

After the break, Gallups renewed the discussion by reading from The Post & email’s article titled, “Exclusive: Montgomery’s Hard Drives Not Sole Data Given to Zullo.” In terms of government surveillance, Gallups said, “They were spying on Sheriff Arpaio; they were spying on Donald Trump, who was not even a candidate yet; they were spying on you; they were spying on John Roberts, the chief justice of the Supreme Court; and they were spying on Alex Jones,” to which Zullo responded, “They were spying on Alex Jones, Donald Trump, John McCain, John Roberts…and also, Michael Savage. There were numerous others; this is going back a couple years.”

* * *

At the 25:00 mark, Zullo segued to the fact that Mueller was FBI director when Arpaio ordered the probe into the “phony” birth certificate. “Now we understand why the FBI never came down knocking on our door, meaning the sheriff’s office, for all that information,” Zullo said, “because had they done that and collected it, they would have been obligated to investigate it” (25:30).

“In June of 2013, Mueller defended the NSA surveillance program, the very program Montgomery was telling us about, when he testified before the House Judiciary Committee during a hearing,” Zullo continued. “Now if this guy isn’t ‘Deep State,’ I don’t know who is.”
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:lol: :lol: Yeah Mikey, that's the ticket. So why didn't this get dealt with when the GOP had all three levers of power for two years?
At the 25:00 mark, Zullo segued to the fact that Mueller was FBI director when Arpaio ordered the probe into the “phony” birth certificate. “Now we understand why the FBI never came down knocking on our door, meaning the sheriff’s office, for all that information,” Zullo said, “because had they done that and collected it, they would have been obligated to investigate it” (25:30).
As Tes put it in December 2016:
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On Thursday night, Arpaio released the findings of his five-year probe into the citizenship of President Obama. In a more than hour-long press conference, Arpaio and his lead investigator in the case, Mike Zullo, who heads a nonprofit called the Cold Case Posse, a group of volunteers, presented what they said was “profound” evidence, which was “quite disturbing” and clear proof that Obama’s birth certificate from Hawaii was a “fraudulently created document.” What followed would have been comical, were the implications into what the birther movement really means not so concerning: a conspiracy elevated to a national spectacle that sought to discredit the first black U.S. president. (J. Weston Phippen, "The Last of the Birthers," The Altantic
.. And that pretty much sums it up..
Thu Dec 15, 2016 was 920 days ago (h/t: Alexa). Yet they keep at it, it's really an amazing science experiment. This 1939 video sums a lot of birfing up -- Chuckles, Zullo & Rondeau are doing the heavy lifting. And Mike Volin, although personally, I think this all fell apart because there were not enough Sheriff's Kits -- Mike Volin really let the birfers down.

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Orlylicious wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:59 pm
So why didn't this get dealt with when the GOP had all three levers of power for two years?
As always: The Derp State.

In the past, the boys justified their inaction with their so-very-well-founded fear that Derp State agents would sabotage their efforts. While of course also hinting at secret efforts underfoot.

As with all grifts, there's always some un(fore)seen obstacle to great plan's grand completion. Nothing will happen this year, and they'll likely blame the pending election.
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P&E: Old News Recycled — But for What Purpose? Part 1.

Even the headline is ironic! Continuing:
DENNIS MONTGOMERY, GOVERNMENT SURVEILLANCE, AND “FRAUD”

On June 7, 2019, Dr. Dave Janda of “Operation Freedom” hosted former NSA Technical Director William Binney and former Senior Analyst J. Kirk Wiebe to discuss the existence of “parallel platforms” used by the U.S. intelligence community to harvest personal information on Americans without a warrant.



At the opening of the show, Janda introduced Binney and Wiebe as “legends in the world of [the] National Security Agency and in surveillance platforms.” Both resigned from the agency in 2001 as “whistleblowers,” Janda said, and as has been reported by the Government Accountability Project (GAP) and other outlets. Janda stated that their resignations were tendered because “NSA platforms were being illegally used to monitor American citizens’ phone calls, emails, internet activities, financial transactions.”

One of those “parallel platforms,” Janda contended, was “The Hamr,” designed by former NSA and CIA contractor Dennis Montgomery, and, as Janda correctly reported, referenced in WikiLeaks’ release of “Vault 7,” subtitled “CIA Hacking Tools Revealed.”

* * *

Last August, lead investigator of the Obama birth certificate probe Mike Zullo told “Freedom Friday” host Carl Gallups that although the Senate Intelligence Committee had ordered Trailblazer to cease, “Dennis Montgomery told us he had information, he had proof, that…they never shut it down. [Then-NSA Director Michael] Hayden unloaded it to Montgomery when he was operating in Nevada as a contractor for the CIA; all the while he’s leading the Intelligence Committee to believe that it was, in fact, shut down.”

* * *

Just before the 4:00 mark, Janda depicted Montgomery as “a lightning rod” in exposing the existence of “parallel platforms” used by rogue government actors to collect Americans’ personal data. Montgomery has suffered reputational damage as a result of his whisleblowing efforts, Janda said, after which he responded to a litany of allegations he said have been made about Montgomery.

* * *

“Bill and Kirk took a look at the Dennis Montgomery information and what Dennis Montgomery has said and what others have said about him; they address that as well,” Janda said before bringing them in at 6:57.

* * *

At the 27:25 mark, with a passing reference to “Arpaio’s detectives,” Binney recalled that information he reviewed from Montgomery appeared to show internal bank-account information. “Kirk and Tom Drake and I looked at that data and could see that obviously, he was hacking in or capturing data from banks…” he said.

* * *

“Montgomery has become the lightning rod on this,” Janda repeated, although adding that certain individuals have expressed doubt in Montgomery’s claims. Referencing articles by Mary Fanning and Alan Jones at The American Report, Janda asked, “Do you have a problem with what they wrote about or the evidence they produced?”

“No,” Binney responded.

Janda went on to cite from the Fanning/Jones articles that in August 2019, Montgomery provided “47 hard drives” to a Florida office of the FBI under a “limited immunity” agreement. A second meeting with the FBI in Washington, DC, Janda said, resulted in a grant of “full immunity.” “If he had presented bogus information to them, what are the chances that they would have first given him limited immunity, not charged him with perjury, and then given him full immunity?” Janda asked his guests.

Zullo presented a similar premise in March 2017 when he said on Gallups’s show, “It’s public information now that Montgomery presented millions and millions of records that have been collected from Americans without their knowledge by government entities, and he now has both production and testimonial immunity. Now, you don’t get that kind of immunity from the FBI; that has to come from the DOJ, and they don’t just hand that out like popcorn.”

* * *

As Binney referenced, in November 2014, he, Wiebe and another former NSA analyst, Thomas Drake, performed an analysis of data contained on 47 hard drives Montgomery supplied to the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office (MCSO), with Zullo and Detective Brian Mackiewicz the emissaries.

Approximately a year earlier, and as The Post & Email has reported for more than four years, in November 2013 Montgomery approached Maricopa County Sheriff Joseph Arpaio with the claim that data he possessed from his work for the intelligence community indicated not only mass surveillance of Americans, but also bank-account breaches of more than 150,000 Maricopa County residents. Concerned that crimes may have been committed against his constituents, Arpaio contracted Montgomery to organize the material he claimed to have, with Zullo designated in an oversight capacity.

A report signed by Wiebe and Drake stated that after they examined the hard drives, they determined that the information they contained was useless and Montgomery “a complete and total fraud.” An email from Mackiewicz to then-Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office Chief Deputy Jerry Sheridan states as an introduction, “The written report from the three guys from the NSA regarding the Information Dennis provided us, interesting read.”



In November 2015, Zullo testified in a civil-contempt case, Melendres v. Arpaio, et al, that he did not expect the hard drives to yield any usable data, although he has maintained that Montgomery did provide “verifiable” information on separate thumb drives which he himself was able to substantiate.

On June 20, prior to our having become aware of Janda’s broadcast, The Post & Email reported:
On November 12 and 13, 2015, Zullo testified in Melendres that data Montgomery provided stored on numerous hard drives to Arpaio’s office was determined to be “worthless” (p. 158 in transcript below) by two former NSA officials, Thomas Drake and William Binney.
On page 152 of the court transcript, Zullo is noted to have said:


During the trial, recordings of Montgomery’s initial 2013 interactions with Zullo, Mackiewicz and Arpaio, leaked to The Phoenix New Times by an attorney for the plaintiffs, were played. After providing sworn testimony, Zullo said that the recordings “were only ‘snippets’ of longer segments” which did not provide full context. Questioners for the plaintiffs did not inquire as to whether or not Montgomery provided materials other than the hard drives to the MCSO.

At 30:45, in response to apparent doubts expressed by members of the audience, Janda addressed Montgomery’s “security clearance” by stating that Montgomery supplied evidence that he was included in a “Special Access Program” (SAP) while working for the government.

Wiebe explained that Montgomery would have been prohibited by federal law from sharing classified information with anyone not cleared to see it. As Zullo testified in November 2015, he conceived of and implemented the idea of taking Montgomery, who was quite ill at the time, to a federal judge with the proper clearance to receive the information.

Zullo also put Montgomery in touch with Atty. Larry Klayman, who came to represent Montgomery in Melendres and in Washington, DC, where Montgomery spoke to Judge Royce C. Lamberth, then the head of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC).

On Monday, we reached out to Wiebe to ask “how the 2014 letter squares with the statements you are now making about Montgomery’s credibility” and received the following response:
For a long time, Bill Binney and I believed Montgomery had not provided solid evidence of his surveillance ops as he had claimed. There was circumstantial evidence of some type of activity, as he had provided some pictures of cancelled checks and the like, but nothing that proved how he obtained those items.

So – yes- Drake and I found no evidence of TCP/IP surveillance on any of the disks you gave us to examine.

Someone opined Montgomery did not give us the “real” data showing what he had done. Possible? Yes, as the sharing of classified data can get someone in trouble.

Note: The then DNI (Negroponte) invoked the security gag order provision of the National Secrets Act to prevent Montgomery from testifying about tech knowledge (he claimed personal intellectual proprietary about surveillance in court in the case involving the company he worked for out west.) This was ca 2006.

That fact moved our thinking about Montgomery to the “possible” category in terms of the veracity of his original claims. The other things we became aware of was that he turned in hard drives to the FBI when being represented by Larry Klayman a few years back. Comey was in charge of the FBI at the time.

That fact – turning in of hard drives to the FBI – was testified (2018) to Congress by James Baker, the then General Counsel for the FBI.

Soooo…in terms of current developments surrounding the potential illegal surveillance of the Trump campaign, we now believe the whole Montgomery issue needs to be thoroughly investigated, including the classified facts surrounding his claims.

That is all we are now trying to say. Prosecutor John Durham and AG Barr need to drive this matter to ground.
* * *

A second deposition took place on October 18, 2018 during which Baker recalled that Klayman had approached him with “an allegation that there was an effort within the United States Government to conduct unlawful surveillance of other Americans, including government officials” (p. 100 of transcript).

The Post & Email notes that a June 5, 2019 article at The American Report references a May 29, 2019 “exclusive report” on Baker’s October 18, 2018 testimony to members of the House Judiciary and Oversight & Government Reform committees regarding Montgomery’s information. However, The Post & Email issued two reports detailing Baker’s testimony as to the materials Montgomery provided to the FBI on April 16, 2019 and April 25, 2019, respectively.

When asked by Rep. Mark Meadows if the FBI opened a responsive investigation, Baker said, “To the best of my recollection, yes” (p. 101).

In an April interview, Zullo said the FBI “deep-sixxed” the information Klayman and Montgomery provided. A lawsuit Klayman filed against Barack Obama, the FBI and other government agencies for allegedly failing to investigate was dismissed early last year.

Regarding Montgomery’s immunity agreements, Zullo told The Post & Email for its April 16 article, “James Baker knows all of it. Immunity has to come from the DOJ, and he had to give a report to the DOJ in order to get the immunity.”

On May 9, 2019, Montgomery approached The Post & Email about “doing a positive story about me.” It was not the first communication we received from him.

On Tuesday The Post & Email posed a final question to Wiebe: “Does your response mean you were incorrect in your assessment of Montgomery when he issued the report to the sheriff’s office?” to which he responded:
No, the finding is the same – none of the data on the drives supplied by Zullo and his colleague contained any evidence of intercept of people’s communications off the Internet.

What has changed is my and Binney’s view regarding the veracity of Dennis Montgomery’s claims in light of the Negroponte action under the State Secrets Act, essentially placing a gag order on Montgomery due to the sensitivity of what he did. We now say it is possible that Montgomery has been truthful about the operations he carried out and that the only way to find out is to have the matter thoroughly investigated. . . .
As a final follow-up question, The Post & Email asked:
So does this still stand?
And Wiebe responded, “Yes, it still stands.”

A request for comment from Janda received no response.

Editor’s Note: Please look for Zullo’s exclusive response to the Janda/Wiebe/Binney interview in Part 2 of this series to be released shortly.
Executive summary: Binney and Wiebe, now having gone full nutter, have upgraded Montgomery from "complete and total fraud" to "possibly truthful." :roll:
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