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DrIrvingFinegarten wrote:I take it the earth didn't shatter.
It did shatter, but was immediately replaced by an identical duplicate.
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W. Kevin Vicklund wrote:Here's a direct link to the videohttp://videos-f.jwpsrv.com/content/conv ... 9ceb25d55c. Oh. My. God. They are trying to use lo-res and thick lines to hide the fact that things DON'T MATCH UP! :fingerwag: Watch closely as they overlay the various pieces. :liar:
I get a "forbidden" page.

You didn't happen to archive it, did you? :blink:
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Here's the full circus with idiots Arpaio and Mike Zullo if you want to see the madness.

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Post by Epectitus » Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:39 am

Haven't had a chance yet to watch either Gillar's new video, or the video of the presser. But based on the comments, am I to assume that there was no mention of the persons of interest? No mention of how the Xerox theory led Zullo to "deeper and darker"places? No discussion of the critical work Dennis Montgomery was doing for Zullo?
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Epectitus wrote:Haven't had a chance yet to watch either Gillar's new video, or the video of the presser. But based on the comments, am I to assume that there was no mention of the persons of interest? No mention of how the Xerox theory led Zullo to "deeper and darker"places? No discussion of the critical work Dennis Montgomery was doing for Zullo?
Pretty much the only person of interest is Ah'Nee. Nothing about the Xerox, layers, Monte, African, or any of the "critical" absolutely unimpeachable issues from the last press conferences. Lots of whining about how they were mocked unmercifully, then unfairly mocked again. Mispelled the way-important new company in Italy who specializes in analyzing sex tapes and child porn. Waxed poetically about how Important a person Reed is. Concentrated on the angles on several stamps ignoring the letter thicknesses and misalignments. 9 points of forgery. Doubts about Stanley Ann's signature. Insists that Hawaii just requires someone to show up with a baby to get a birth certificate. No paper version of the birth announcements exists. If only Hawaii used better security paper like Arizona does. Only person in the entire world who saw the raised seal was Guthrie, who was taken into a dark room to feel it. Ticked off about verifications because they had to be precisely written to get the information verified. Couldn't figure out where the ghosts came from. They tried to exonerate the BC but it wasn't to be. They only ever cared about The Trooth of the BC image. Why was it a JPEG? Why couldn't they just post a picture of it?

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Post by Epectitus » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:15 am

Okay... still haven't watched the whole thing... stopped right before he showed the video a second time. A few quick observations and then to bed.

1. Every single "proof of forgery" from the first two press conferences was completely ignored / abandoned. The layers, the halos, the free floating registrar's stamp were all resolutely ignored. The tell here was his discussion of the Xerox work they did. He asserted that they "could not exactly replicate" the Whitehouse.gov PDF, and "exactly" there is the operative weasel word. It was essentially an admission that the replication must have been very close, and that most (if not all) of the digital anomalies that filled the first press conference were ultimately completely ordinary results of an ordinary scan of an ordinary paper original. After all, they could never get the exact results unless they were starting with the exact same original document to scan. And they weren't.

2. The claim that 9 specific details of the Ah'Nee document were copied over to the Obama certificate is absurd on its face. The idea that a human forger would select those 9 essentially random details to copy over out of the hundred or thousands of digital details on both certificates makes no more sense than a nursery rhyme. Consider if you will the two "X"ed boxes they claim were copied over. Why those two? Why only those two and not the other two?

And why pick 5 typed details distributed across the certificate and copy them all over in one piece to assemble the "forgery" like a jig-saw puzzle? Isn't the more prosaic explanation that the same typewriter with the same tab settings was being used by the same clerk?

As previously with Vogt and Irey, the "Theory of Forgery" here is simply nutty. No human forger would actually make the choices Zullo and Gillar claim were being made here even if the Ah'Nee document was available for copying.

3. The fact that they had to rotate to the Ah'Nee certificate to get the date stamps to line up at the same angles introduces all sorts of observer effect issues into their analysis. What other manipulations they might have had to perform to get these results may never be made clear, but in this case it simply must be observed that no, the stamps were not at the identical angles... until they manipulated the images to make them that way.

4. And ultimately, even the "facts" they assert prove to be false. Consider again the two "X"ed boxes Zullo asserts were copies of a single "X"ed box from the Ah'Nee document. They are, in fact, not identical on the Obama certificate... so if they were copied from somewhere they were not copied from the same original source. The typed "X" is not aligned the same way with the lower case "o" and period immediately above it that they claim was also copied over. The "X" in field 7c is shifted to the right in comparison with the "X" in Box 6d.

I mean for god's sake... at least get the little stuff right.

5. A word on probability. Zullo does not express statistical ideas very clearly, and so his discussion of what is or is not actually possible is ultimately mere hand waving. It is like the little game most of us played in grade school, where out of a class of 30 or so students you almost always could find two with the same birth date. Intuitively that seems wildly improbable, but with only 365 possible birth dates, the odds of two kids in a class of 30 sharing the same birthday is actually very high. In fact, it's more than 50% in any class of more than 23 people.

It is actually almost a certainty that two Hawaiian birth certificates from the same month would have at least some details line up closely (even perfectly if you get to rotate the image). The variability is actually quite limited. After all, you're filling out the same preprinted form with much of the same information. In this case almost certainly using the same typewriter and probably the same typist. Some things ultimately have to line up.

6. Montgomery was never mentioned. No connection to DARPA or the White House. What a total waste of time that turned to to be.

All in all, a deeply pathetic and whinging performance by Zullo and Gillar. It once again comes as no surprise that Zullo's careers as a police officer and then private investigator both ended so quickly.

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Post by W. Kevin Vicklund » Fri Dec 16, 2016 4:00 am

Whatever4 wrote:
W. Kevin Vicklund wrote:Here's a direct link to the videohttp://videos-f.jwpsrv.com/content/conv ... 9ceb25d55c. Oh. My. God. They are trying to use lo-res and thick lines to hide the fact that things DON'T MATCH UP! :fingerwag: Watch closely as they overlay the various pieces. :liar:
I get a "forbidden" page.

You didn't happen to archive it, did you? :blink:
Yeah, it turns out my bacdoor method times out. I got it from the WND word dump. I did however manage to save a copy...
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Post by Mikedunford » Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:13 am

Loren wrote:
Whatever4 wrote:Ya know, someone COULD conclude that Ah'Nee's BC was forged from Obama's, from timelines and all. :blink:
Something tells me that even with four years to put together this 'theory', Zullo never even *considered* the implications of when the Ah'Nee certificate was made public.

Oh, for fuck sake. This has never been about Zullo "considering" anything, or putting together any theories. It's about Arpaio's desire to belittle the black man who refused to kowtow to his racist police tactics, and Zullo's willingness to attach his face to Arpaio's crotch in the service of a mild feeling of self-importance and a moderate dose of grift. That's all.

This was Joe's last pathetic attempt to take a swipe at Obama - the last pathetic swipe of a pathetic group of haters, so far gone that even the election of Trump isn't enough to satisfy their suppressed self-loathing. Treating it, for one minute, as anything else, pretending that a word that dribbled past Zullo's shit stained lips is even worth a moment of consideration by serious people, just validates the idea that there's the hint of anything beyond hatred and race involved.
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Post by RTH10260 » Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:26 am

One Darrin Mcbreen on InforWars interviews Joel Gilbert in advance of Arpaios presser

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Post by listeme » Fri Dec 16, 2016 6:40 am

Whatever4 wrote:
DrIrvingFinegarten wrote:I take it the earth didn't shatter.
It did shatter, but was immediately replaced by an identical duplicate.
This always happens!
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Post by listeme » Fri Dec 16, 2016 6:41 am

I could possibly maybe work on a transcript after the weekend.
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Post by Dr. Blue » Fri Dec 16, 2016 8:13 am

Whatever4 wrote:
DrIrvingFinegarten wrote:I take it the earth didn't shatter.
It did shatter, but was immediately replaced by an identical duplicate.
Identical but slightly misaligned and rotated. A clear forgery of the original.

And since all the Fogbowers were immediately jailed, I was wondering why this jail looks so much like my kitchen and my normal coffee. Quite insidious.

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Dr. Blue wrote:
Whatever4 wrote:
DrIrvingFinegarten wrote:I take it the earth didn't shatter.
It did shatter, but was immediately replaced by an identical duplicate.
Identical but slightly misaligned and rotated. A clear forgery of the original.

And since all the Fogbowers were immediately jailed, I was wondering why this jail looks so much like my kitchen and my normal coffee. Quite insidious.
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Post by mighty dawg » Fri Dec 16, 2016 8:49 am

Whatever4 wrote:
DrIrvingFinegarten wrote:I take it the earth didn't shatter.
It did shatter, but was immediately replaced by an identical duplicate.
There are just too many layers here to account for....
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Post by Epectitus » Fri Dec 16, 2016 8:54 am

I get such a big kick out of Zullo stressing "two different disciplines" when claiming that both Reed and the Italian Lab agreed that the date stamps were at the same angle. Reed is a handwriting analyst. The Italian lab is (allegedly) a digital forensic lab used to hunt down pedophiles.

I must ponder how either of those disciplines contribute to an expert conclusion that date stamps are at the same angle.
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Post by Dr. Kenneth Noisewater » Fri Dec 16, 2016 9:08 am

Using zullos loopy logic one could claim the Ah'nee certificate was copied from Obamas

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Post by Epectitus » Fri Dec 16, 2016 9:11 am

Spent a little time prowling around the Forlab website. They appear to be a rather sophisticated laboratory offering consulting and training in a narrow but deep array of technologies. Here (for example) is a listing of the training they offer in the area of "Multimedia Forensics techniques for analyzing digital images/videos."
  • - The digital data and its vulnerability: integrity versus authenticity
    - Methodologies and techniques for verifying authenticity of multimedia contents according to International Standards (ISO/IEC 27037, ISO/IEC 27041, ISO/IEC 27042, SWGIT/SWGDE Guidelines)
    - Methodology for digital investigation of multimedia contents
    - Introduction to Multimedia Forensics
    - Metadata and data format analysis
    - Source device identification through acquisition trace extraction and analysis
    - Authenticity verification and forgery detection, though the analysis of:
    • * Coding traces: JPEG, Double JPEG, JPEG Ghost, ELA, video macro-block variation
      * Acquisition traces: lens, de-mosaicking artefacts (CFA), sensor pattern noise PRNU
      * Editing traces: resampling, clones, reflection, light/shadow, perspective
    - Practical training
    • * Extraction and analysis of metadata (ExifTool, JPEGsnoop, Amped Authenticate)
      * Identification of source device (JPEGsnoop, izitru, Amped Authenticate)
      * Authenticity verification (Amped Authenticate, izitru, FotoForensics)
Note: Exactly none of that is either useful or necessary to show that two date stamps are at the same angle.
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Post by Reality Check » Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:00 am

I notice that my copy of the Ah'Nee certificate in this article was linked at this article by Gateway Pundit. I hope folks read the articles when they click over to my blog. ;)
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Post by mimi » Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:21 am

We know that Johanna Ah'Nee Randolph tried to get her birth certificate back.

Can she sue them? Can she sue Corsi? Zullo? Joe? Miki?

Or is she outta luck because she gave it to Miki?

There are a bunch of facebooks and tweets and such saying that Johanna's birth certficate was the source used to "create" Obama's, but also stuff like these is beginning to happen:

Christopher Koozekanani
10 hrs ·

So.....

THEY....let their "developed asset" use the highest office of the land to further degrade America, our rights, and our financial stability.

Now THEY do not care if their LIES come out...

"Johanna Ah’nee" is a NAME that will now be part of American history!

This is the PERSON who had their authentic birth certificate used to create obama's forged COPY of a birth certificate made....


Reidar Roll
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Twitter
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Retweeted Matt Dougan (@Americooligan):

Whoa. Obama forgery confirmed. Intelligence sources familiar with the situation have reason to believe "Johanna Ah'Nee" has Russian ties? https://t.co/OfpHbqjcEZ
Which is just a retweet (on facebook) of this tweet:



That guy, coincidentally, is followed by Surprise Tea Party.
Marty Payne
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Obama's birth cert is a completely fraudulent document ,.live news saying now there's 9 points of fraud on this one document so who is this guy ?? your about to find out he's not who you thought he was,no wonder he has had a 90 million dollar holiday over the last 8 years at the poor American tax payers expense Johanna Ah'nee aka Barack Hussein Obama ,..Donald trump might have been right all along,..shit is so fucked up i think we are about to see a complete opening of pandoras box and we are gonna get a look at just how corrupt this system is


Lonny Hunt
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Johanna Ah'Nee is a name you should be hearing very often, but I will bet money that you will not.



Corsi is taking bows on his twitter. He blocked me long ago. :( Somebody asked him how he got Ah'Nee's bc, and he didn't answer. wasn't me. Is a RWNJ egg.





Anyhoo, he's not answering questions. Just retweeting fawning tweets.

https://twitter.com/jerome_corsi



I wonder if her name will be embroiled in the conspiracy?

I hope she has grounds to sue. And does.

Maybe Ken White could send out the Popehat Signal, though this isn't the type of case he usually does that for.

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Post by Foggy » Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:27 am

Not only, as Eppy said, did they forget ALL the "evidence" from the first two pressers, the only new assertion I see in any of the comments above is the claim that Savannah Guthrie was taken into a dark room to feel the raised seal on the LFBC.

I'm sure they have an affidavit from her to support that assertion, and they probably just forgot to say where they got that idea.



Either that, or they pulled it out of Zullo's butt. :blink:

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Post by bob » Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:19 am

Corsi went on Boyles' show for a victory lap.
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Post by Reality Check » Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:11 pm

Pete, a commenter at Doc's, put together a nice debunking of the latest Zullo BS about items being copied from the Ah'Nee BC.


http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2016/12/ ... ent-381234
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Post by Epectitus » Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:18 pm

Hell. Vogt and Irey were able to come up with "20 Points of Forgery."

Zullo and Gillar are pikers.
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Post by Dr. Kenneth Noisewater » Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:44 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if one of these idiot birthers acts like the pizzagate gun man and goes after ahnee even then Miki wouldn't realize the lot she's gotten herself involved with.

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Post by bob » Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:51 pm

Epectitus wrote:Hell. Vogt and Irey were able to come up with "20 Points of Forgery."

Zullo and Gillar are pikers.
Zullo's hypothesis is that there's too little variance between the certificates, ergo, forgery.
Vogt's hypothesis was there was too much variance between the letters, ergo, forgery.

I wish these masterminds would inform wouldbe forgers on the accepted amount of variance between elements.
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