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Charl[es/Pey]ton... I never saw that.Yes. But who's Charlton's "John"? Why, none other than the three-times disbarred felon sociopath Charles Edward Lincoln, III.

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It turns out that Velamoor’s father holds a key position at The Future Foundation, a ultra-liberal think-tank of futurists in Belleview, Washington; the former home of Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham!First, it's "Bellevue" Washington - and it's also MY former home! To think that everyone and everything in Bellevue is connected is, of course, ludicrous! I lived there for about 3 years and had never met Stanley Ann nor had I heard of either her or The Future Foundation. It's been about 20 years since I was there, and even that long ago, it was a pretty big city - big enough they about the time I moved, they'd been discussing moving the basketball team from Seattle proper to Bellevue.



I'm surprised, though, that as conspiratorial as they are about things in Bellevue, they haven't started trying to connect Microsoft into all of their plots. Technically, Microsoft is in Redmond, WA, but Redmond is the city next to Bellevue and in fact one of the main thoroughfares when I was there was "Bellevue-Readmond Road," colloquially known as "BelRed."



Oh! Wait! I think I get now! Stanley Ann didn't die, she had some "minor" surgery done and became BIll Gates, who created the Future Foundation and hired Velamoor's father to work there, so that once the son finished his law degree, the father would be grateful enough for the job that he'd convince his son to get a job with Perkins Coie so he could meet Robert Bauer (Hmmm.... I wonder if he's related to Jack Bauer? Think of the implications of that!) And, of course, Bauer, being Obama's close personal friend, explained that they needed to get this kid into Judge Carter's office so that - out of gratitude to Bill Gates for giving his father a job, the kid could help prevent the citizenry from kicking Obama out of office so that Obama can make this a socialist country and force Bill Gates to give up all his billions to the poor, the sick, the lazy and the stupid who won't bother to claw their way out of the sinkhole of poverty all on their own.



Or something like that...
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I wasn't aware that violently assaulting a person because you perceive them to be "gay" was a Christian thing to do. Am I missing something?Nope, you're fine. The self-proclaimed Christians who consider such acts justified or believe that hating others because they're attracted to people of their own gender is appropriate are the ones missing something. I think it's called "The Christian Spirit" but it's been a while since I last heard much about it. This line kind of cracked me up, though:Obama is without doubt an anti-Christ, at war with Nature Herself as well as with Jesus Christ.Personifying nature as a living entity, complete with capitalizing "Nature" and "Herself" might give some people the idea that Nature is some kind of, oh, I don't know, Goddess, perhaps? (Hail, Jord! ) And we all know THAT's just silly. I haven't known too many non-Pagans to refer to Nature like that, you know?
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From the CNN article,http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/22/hate.crimes/ that the Post and eMail referenced:Several religious groups have expressed concern that a hate-crimes law could be used to criminalize conservative speech relating to subjects such as abortion or homosexuality.Attorney General Eric Holder has asserted that any federal hate-crimes law would be used only to prosecute violent acts based on bias, as opposed to the prosecution of speech based on controversial racial or religious beliefs.So, that should answer those worries, eh? Especially since it's a bill that deals with penalties for assaults and the like. As I understand it, unless what someone says truly puts you in fear for your life (and then only if it's reasonable to believe that your life could be endangered by the speech in question,) then speech cannot be an assault. I suspect that if the government ever does try to go after someone for preaching hate from the pulpit, the ACLU will be there to defend that person the same as they've defended others who've used our freedom of speech and freedom of religion to spread hatred. From that same article:More than 77,000 hate-crime incidents were reported by the FBI between 1998 and 2007, or "nearly one hate crime for every hour of every day over the span of a decade," Holder told the Senate Judiciary Committee in June.The FBI, Holder added, reported 7,624 hate-crime incidents in 2007, the most current year with complete data.Nah, there's no reason we need to try and reduce hate crime.
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Personifying nature as a living entity, complete with capitalizing "Nature" and "Herself" might give some people the idea that Nature is some kind of, oh, I don't know, Goddess, perhaps? (Hail, Jord! ) And we all know THAT's just silly. I haven't known too many non-Pagans to refer to Nature like that, you know?I have a friend who holds dearly to most of the arch-conservative canon of beliefs -- unbridled laissez-faire capitalism, for example, and condemnation of homosexuality -- but he is also a dyed-in-the-wool atheist.He manages to get around it by proclaiming that he's certain his beliefs are correct because they are in conformity with "nature's intentions."

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And the commenters make the birfer connection alright. This from New England Patriot:

If the criminal laws on the books right now still apply, then anyone breaking one of these new “laws” who is brought to trial on criminal charges would be provided access to Obama’s records. The accused could insist that the “law” he broke wasn’t really a law because an Usurper signed it. To prove that point, the defendant’s attorney would have the right to discovery, and this “merry-go-round” would be over.I think all the birfers should immediately commence breaking as many laws that go into effect under the Usurper as they possibly can. Let's see how well that works out for them in the nation's courts.

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Oh! Wait! I think I get now! Stanley Ann didn't die, she had some "minor" surgery done and became BIll Gates, who created the Future Foundation and hired Velamoor's father to work there, so that once the son finished his law degree, the father would be grateful enough for the job that he'd convince his son to get a job with Perkins Coie so he could meet Robert Bauer (Hmmm.... I wonder if he's related to Jack Bauer? Think of the implications of that!) And, of course, Bauer, being Obama's close personal friend, explained that they needed to get this kid into Judge Carter's office so that - out of gratitude to Bill Gates for giving his father a job, the kid could help prevent the citizenry from kicking Obama out of office so that Obama can make this a socialist country and force Bill Gates to give up all his billions to the poor, the sick, the lazy and the stupid who won't bother to claw their way out of the sinkhole of poverty all on their own.Wow, I'm exhausted after reading that! It reminded me of reading This Is the House That Jack Built,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Is_th ... Jack_Built when I was a child.

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When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.





As an Atheist [ Godless Communist etc etc ... ] I recite the PoA as



"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands; one nation, under Nature's God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."



I find that more satisfactory than dropping the phrase.

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Not exactly birfer (but it DOES mention Fraud and Usurper)Pest and EEEEEEEEeeeeeuuuuuuwwwwwww-mail :[/break1]wordpress.com/2009/10/27/editorial-oct-27-2009-%e2%80%94-the-fraud-merry-go-round/]http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009 ... -go-round/[Edit : link fixed -- not that I advise reading it ]Editorial: Oct. 27, 2009 — The Fraud Merry-go-roundOctober 27, 2009 by John Charlton USURPER PUSHES THE AGENDA OF SODOM & GOMORRAHby John CharltonYesterday the U.S. Senate voted 68-29 to pass the PaedophileProtection Act, a radical bill to strip Christians and other decentfolk of the right to call immorality,” immoral.”...[On the slightly better news front, they only raised $810 of their $2,000 fund drive ][/break1]wordpress.com/2009/10/27/letter-from-the-editor-to-our-donors-%e2%80%94-thank-you/]http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009 ... thank-you/Yeah, that's the article that really set me off.Charlton (or CEL3) is a lying, bigoted, racist, piece of shit.

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I suspect that if the government ever does try to go after someone for preaching hate from the pulpit, the ACLU will be there to defend that person the same as they've defended others who've used our freedom of speech and freedom of religion to spread hatred.

From the actual bill,



‘(2) OFFENSES INVOLVING ACTUAL OR PERCEIVED RELIGION, NATIONAL ORIGIN, GENDER, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, GENDER IDENTITY, OR DISABILITY-CommentsClose CommentsPermalink



‘(A) IN GENERAL- Whoever, whether or not acting under color of law, in any circumstance described in subparagraph (B), willfully causes bodily injury to any person or, through the use of fire, a firearm, a dangerouse weapon, or an explosive or incendiary device, attempts to cause bodily injury to any person, because of the actual or perceived religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability of any person--Nothing I see here that makes any speech a crime.



And the bar is high,

‘(e) Rule of Evidence- In a prosecution for an offense under this section, evidence of expression or associations of the defendant may not be introduced as substantive evidence at trial, unless the evidence specifically relates to that offense. However, nothing in this section affects the rules of evidence governing impeachment of a witness.’.
To which Trump replied, Fuck the law. I don't give a fuck about the law. I want my fucking money.

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Sodomite Why do I envision these guys dressed daily as pilgrims. The hate/insanity from CEL3 know no end.

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From the actual bill,



‘(2) OFFENSES INVOLVING ACTUAL OR PERCEIVED RELIGION, NATIONAL ORIGIN, GENDER, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, GENDER IDENTITY, OR DISABILITY-CommentsClose CommentsPermalink



‘(A) IN GENERAL- Whoever, whether or not acting under color of law, in any circumstance described in subparagraph (B), willfully causes bodily injury to any person or, through the use of fire, a firearm, a dangerouse weapon, or an explosive or incendiary device, attempts to cause bodily injury to any person, because of the actual or perceived religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability of any person--Nothing I see here that makes any speech a crime.



And the bar is high,

‘(e) Rule of Evidence- In a prosecution for an offense under this section, evidence of expression or associations of the defendant may not be introduced as substantive evidence at trial, unless the evidence specifically relates to that offense. However, nothing in this section affects the rules of evidence governing impeachment of a witness.’.Thanks for those quotes - That's about what I'd expected the law might look like. I figured they'd want to make the law fairly narrow in scope and restrictive as to what would constitute evidence that something might be a hate crime to help prevent it from being abused. Preaching hatred from a church pulpit or street corner is certainly not going to be mistaken for bodily injury.
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Personifying nature as a living entity, complete with capitalizing "Nature" and "Herself" might give some people the idea that Nature is some kind of, oh, I don't know, Goddess, perhaps? (Hail, Jord! ) And we all know THAT's just silly. I haven't known too many non-Pagans to refer to Nature like that, you know?That does appear in at least one prominent place:When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.That was written by a deist and revised by a diverse collection of Christians, deists, and atheists. Not to say that the Founders were Pagans -- but there is nothing in that classic prose to say otherwise. Dominionists and Reconstructionists do not like being reminded of the history: the United States was not founded as a Christian nation.
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When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.Damn, that's great writing. By a band of erudite Englishman farmers who had studied the histories of Rome and Greece, and who were risking everything they had for a matter of principle. As much as I admire our brave ancestors who fought in WW2 (and supported the home front), I truly believe our Founders were members of our greatest generation.And they weren't merely lucky with the opening sentence. It continues to soar:We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.The Gettysburg Address is another great writing, but little soars the way the Declaration of Independence does.

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This line kind of cracked me up, though:Obama is without doubt an anti-Christ, at war with Nature Herself as well as with Jesus Christ.I've found by far the easiest way to make birfer's heads explode is to simply point out that since the "muslim usurper" won the election and all their efforts to remove him have failed then logic dictates that the only true god is the one the muslims believe in or at the very least that satan has kicked Christ's butt.

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This line kind of cracked me up, though:Obama is without doubt an anti-Christ, at war with Nature Herself as well as with Jesus Christ.I've found by far the easiest way to make birfer's heads explode is to simply point out that since the "muslim usurper" won the election and all their efforts to remove him have failed then logic dictates that the only true god is the one the muslims believe in or at the very least that satan has kicked Christ's butt.Or maybe telling them that Jesus loves Obama more than them!

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Oh no, John now has proof that Obama knows he's not a Natural Born Citizen. Guess It's all over now Obama knows he is not a Natural Born Citizen according to VattelOctober 28, 2009 by John CharltonCITED RENOWNED SWISS AUTHOR IN LECTURES AT CHICAGO LAW SCHOOLby John Charlton(Oct. 28, 2009) — A lot of heated debate was stirred up on the web, when The Post & Email in 2 reports published the testimony of witnesses to the 2004 Keyes vs. Obama debate, in which Obama conceded that he was not a “natural born citizen”. Read those reports here:Obama concedes he’s not a NBC, in Obama vs. Keyes 2004 Debate2nd Witness to Obama admission, in Keyes vs. Obama 2004 debateNow it has come to light that Obama is familiar with the Swiss author’s work, The Law of Nations, and that therefore knew what he was discounting in the 2004 debate.The evidence is cited by the New York Times itself, which published a reading packet from Obama’s 1994 Seminar, “Current Issues in Racism and the Law.”Read about it here [/break1]wordpress.com/2009/10/28/obama-knows-he-is-not-a-natural-born-citizen-according-to-vattel/]http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009 ... to-vattel/

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That was written by a deist and revised by a diverse collection of Christians, deists, and atheists. Not to say that the Founders were Pagans -- but there is nothing in that classic prose to say otherwise. Dominionists and Reconstructionists do not like being reminded of the history: the United States was not founded as a Christian nation.They will never agree with that. Regardless of how much evidence there is to support it. I see dozens of references to "Christian nation" every day. I no longer reply with the treaty of tripoli or anything. Because, it's often the same people. In other words, they will not accept it.

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Oh no, John now has proof that Obama knows he's not a Natural Born Citizen. Guess It's all over now Obama knows he is not a Natural Born Citizen according to VattelOctober 28, 2009 by John CharltonCITED RENOWNED SWISS AUTHOR IN LECTURES AT CHICAGO LAW SCHOOLby John Charlton(Oct. 28, 2009) — A lot of heated debate was stirred up on the web, when The Post & Email in 2 reports published the testimony of witnesses to the 2004 Keyes vs. Obama debate, in which Obama conceded that he was not a “natural born citizen”. Read those reports here:Obama concedes he’s not a NBC, in Obama vs. Keyes 2004 Debate2nd Witness to Obama admission, in Keyes vs. Obama 2004 debateNow it has come to light that Obama is familiar with the Swiss author’s work, The Law of Nations, and that therefore knew what he was discounting in the 2004 debate.The evidence is cited by the New York Times itself, which published a reading packet from Obama’s 1994 Seminar, “Current Issues in Racism and the Law.”Read about it here [/break1]wordpress.com/2009/10/28/obama-knows-he-is-not-a-natural-born-citizen-according-to-vattel/]http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009 ... to-vattel/The truth is Charlton's got no idea what extract of Vattel was in the reading packet!

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This guy is really on a roll today. [/break1]wordpress.com/2009/10/28/serby-charges-land-with-potential-federal-crime/]http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009 ... ral-crime/Serby charges Land with potential Federal Crime!October 28, 2009 by John Charlton AMICUS CURIAE FILING EXPOUNDS UNCONSTITUTIONALITY OF SENDING $20,000 SANCTION TO NON-PROFITby John Charlton(Oct. 28, 2009) — In a filing which is anything but what its name means (Amicus curiae = “friend of the court”), Victor M. Serby of Woodmere, NY, has sent Judge Clay D. Land a scathing legal rebuke for the latter’s attempt to award the $20,000 Sanction against attorney Orly Taitz, esq., to a non-governmental entity.more, link here [/break1]wordpress.com/2009/10/28/serby-charges-land-with-potential-federal-crime/]http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009 ... ral-crime/

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The Republicans have now bonded with the Tea Partiers! [/break1]wordpress.com/2009/10/28/republicans-in-house-of-reps-to-thank-9-12-tea-partiers/]http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009 ... -partiers/Republicans in House of Reps. to thank 9-12 Tea PartiersOctober 28, 2009 by John Charlton INTRODUCE RESOLUTION EXPRESSING GRATITUDEby John Charlton(Oct. 28, 2009) — Belated gratitude has not the same taste as immediate gratitude, but it’s better than nothing. In this case it may also indicate that the Republican Party is waking up.more, link here [/break1]wordpress.com/2009/10/28/republicans-in-house-of-reps-to-thank-9-12-tea-partiers/]http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009 ... -partiers/

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The truth is Charlton's got no idea what extract of Vattel was in the reading packet!It's pretty easy to guess, but of course, Charlton's guessed wrong.The subject was, specifically, "Indian Removal." By far the most likely usage of Vattel in this context is the same context that he was cited for in 'Cherokee Nation v. Georgia' in Justice Thompson's dissenting opinion. Thompson cited Vattel as authority for the position that the Cherokee Nation was a sovereign state; it didn't have anything to do with "native-born citizenship."

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Rappaport visits NH AG, demanding investigation of Election FraudOctober 28, 2009 by John Charlton AG HAS SAT ON COMPLAINT FOR 6 WEEKS, IN SHOCKING NEGLIGENCE OF HIS DUTY TO PROTECT VOTERS’ RIGHTS!by John Charlton(Oct. 28, 2009) —After 6 weeks of waiting for a response from the state Attorney General, with no action taken, New Hampshire Representative Laurence M. Rappaport has demanded that Michael A. Delaney, take action on his concerns that Election Fraud had been committed in the state during the 2008 Presidential Election.more, here [/break1]wordpress.com/2009/10/28/rappaport-urges-nh-ag-to-investigate-election-fraud-in-2008/]http://thepostnemail.wordpress.com/2009 ... d-in-2008/

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