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GOP lawmaker: FBI should drop Russia probe because we never investigated Obama’s birth certificate

Rep. Tom Garrett Jr. (R-VA) on Monday likened the investigation into Russia’s interference in the 2016 U.S. elections to President Donald Trump’s racist “birtherism” campaign to convince Americans that President Barack Obama is not a U.S. citizen.

This Russia investigation is essentially birtherism,” Garrett told CNN’s Brianna Keilar. “Imagine if there was a politically funded investigation of President Obama’s place of birth where the levers of power were leveraged.”

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I didn't know where else to post this. But when I saw this post, my first thought was BIRTHERS!!!!!!11!!!
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I didn't watch/listen to this.
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Post by Dolly » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:11 pm

Nunes memo is the Obama birth certificate of the Russia probe
BY LAUREN WRIGHT, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 02/08/18 09:00 AM EST

If there is one thing we know about Donald Trump by now, it is that he is masterful at monopolizing media attention by teasing a political revelation that either disappoints or never comes to pass.

Trump’s entrance into national politics was fueled by years of claims that he had secret, damning information regarding President Obama’s birth certificate. He didn’t. During the 2016 campaign, Trump promised a press conference about Melania Trump’s immigration records. It never happened. After losing the popular vote, Trump claimed to have evidence that millions of undocumented immigrants voted illegally, and formed a fraud commission that ended up disbanding with a whimper.

The declassified memo released by Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) represents Trump’s latest demonstration that he can, at will, take the national media for a ride. Whether he is seeking to bolster his relevance or distract from damaging press coverage, Trump’s penchant for floating vague, empty promises that resemble reality TV cliffhangers is a pillar of his well-established brand of deceptive political communication.
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We have also seen Trump pull off this charade many times over the past decade. Perhaps the most audacious example of it was his demand that President Obama release his birth certificate. Despite the sheer absurdity of the claim that President Obama was not born in the United States, Trump built a conservative movement out of the charge, which was only strengthened by the media coverage it received and the White House’s attempts to ignore Trump’s requests. President Obama was eventually forced to make his birth certificate public. <SNIP>
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Post by bob » Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:59 am

Birther adjacent: Salon: Antonio Sabato Jr., GOP congressional candidate, repeats claim that Obama is Muslim:
“He changed his name to Obama when he followed the Islam religion,” said the former soap star on “The View”

For inexplicable reasons, soap-opera bohunk Antonio Sabato Jr. is still a candidate in the primary for California’s 26th district. Almost equally as confounding was the interview he gave on the "The View" Thursday.

Sabato claimed that he had been "blacklisted" in Hollywood due to his conservative political beliefs and onstage speech at the 2016 Republican National Convention in favor of then-candidate Donald Trump.

* * *

"The View" co-host Sunny Hostin asked if he felt his reputed blacklisting had anything to do with the interview he gave ABC News during the RNC in which he said that he believed then-president Barack Obama was secretly Muslim.

"No, I never thought it was anything bad," Sabato said in response. "There’s millions of Muslims around the world, so I felt that it was never an insult.” He added, “I'm Jewish, I became a Christian, and I felt that Obama — I mean — if he’s not a Muslim, we should call him 'President Barry.'" It was now 2 minutes and 30 seconds into the interview, though it felt much longer.

* * *

When the hosts of "The View" told Sabato that the former president wasn't, in fact, Muslim, the candidate said, "Well, maybe it was my mistake then, or whatever." He added, "I never meant, I never meant, you know, I like the president, I liked him as a person, his family, they're good people, so, for me, it was never an insult like that."

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"So, you understand he's not Muslim?" Hostin asked. "Okay, then he's not," said Sabato. Pressed again for a clear answer he said, "What I was saying was . . . he changed his name to Obama when he followed the Islam religion when he was growing up, so I felt that once you're in that religion, you stay for the rest of your life." It was now just over 3 minutes into the interview.

When reminded again that there was no evidence of any of that — because there really isn't — Sabato said, "Okay, that's fine, that's fine. Listen, right now we have issues that are different than what we had in the past."


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"No, I never thought it was anything bad," Sabato said in response. "There’s millions of Muslims around the world, so I felt that it was never an insult.” He added, “I'm Jewish, I became a Christian, and I felt that Obama — I mean — if he’s not a Muslim, we should call him 'President Barry.'" It was now 2 minutes and 30 seconds into the interview, though it felt much longer.
:shock: Good idea. Like we do the other non-Muslim Presidents?
President Bush George
President Clinton Bill
President Washington George

Jeez, be stoopid and act stoopider on top of it. :twisted:

Just gobsmacked... he never heard of "Barack" ???????????


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Post by Orlylicious » Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:57 am

Wow Chuck went off the deep end, looks like he spiraled after they canceled his Australian Dream TV endorsement deal.

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Post by Fortinbras » Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:52 pm

Obama attended Columbia College, the undergrad section of Columbia University. He appears in the College's yearbook, not the University's. Same campus in Manhattan but bureaucratically separate. Most of the College's students and alumni simply say they went to "Columbia" or even "Columbia University", without any intent to deceive, when they make it clear this was for their Bachelor's degree - simply to avoid having their listeners' eyes glaze over at the explanation of the obscure separation. This subtle distinction escaped all the birfers who didn't get into ivy league schools.



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Post by bob » Tue May 01, 2018 8:37 pm

Verna K. "Ukulele" Lee died in November; she was 100.

(For the noobs: The registrar who signed Obama's birth certificate.)


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Post by Sam the Centipede » Tue May 01, 2018 9:29 pm

bob wrote:
Tue May 01, 2018 8:37 pm
Verna K. "Ukulele" Lee died in November; she was 100.

(For the noobs: The registrar who signed Obama's birth certificate.)
:think: Hnm ... she was only 100 years old ... did the birthers suspect foul play, that Mrs. Lee was murdered to stop her from telling the truth about being forced to sign the birth certificate? Apparently the fact that she signed using the initials of her given names was Very Suspicious. Has Mike Zullo launched an investigation? Will the Post & Fail report it?



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Post by Fortinbras » Tue May 01, 2018 10:15 pm

Verna Lee was contacted, about 3 years ago, by a member of Crazy Joe Arpaio's cold case posse - but not by a face-to-face visit in Hawaii. This stalwart had already blown his junket on the sands on Waikiki and was back home in Arizona when he found her phone number and dialed her up. The important part of the conversation was that she insisted that back in 1961, when she was running the office, birth certificates were issued in sequence -- by which the spin was this meant absolute strict adherence to all the babies's sequence of births. Since Obama's birth certificate was a few numbers after someone else's who had been born the day after the future Prez, this was supposed to show some sort of hanky-panky if Mrs. Lee's statement was to be taken absolutely literally.

But, of course, the statement could not be taken literally because that would be impossible. The birth certificate office could not allow birth reports to pile up to an enormous stack to make sure that every baby was included and then sort that enormous collection of papers according to birth date and hour. After all, some midwives and even doctors might not be so prompt about finishing and mailing the birth reports. Most likely the sequence would be the sequence of arrival in the health department's In basket, which would be a vague approximation of the birth sequence. So the Obama birth certificate number wasn't suspicious at all.

Altho Arpaio's guy was slapdash about interviewing Mrs. Lee, I am sure that she was shown, maybe by someone else in her nursing home or someone in her family, the news report when the original "long form" with her signature on the President's birth certificate was made public. She certainly never denied its authenticity, then or ever.



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Post by Notorial Dissent » Tue May 01, 2018 10:18 pm

Oh please, I'm sure the doddering ditz out in NE is all over it, and if not Miki will be on it in a flash.


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Post by Volkonski » Tue May 01, 2018 10:48 pm

bob wrote:
Tue May 01, 2018 8:37 pm
Verna K. "Ukulele" Lee died in November; she was 100.

(For the noobs: The registrar who signed Obama's birth certificate.)
So there are no longer any living witnesses to the truth of Obama's birth in Hawaii? :?


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Post by Lani » Wed May 02, 2018 12:13 am

Abercrombie is still alive. He knew Obama's parents and saw them showing off their newborn at UH.


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Post by DrIrvingFinegarten » Wed May 02, 2018 3:08 am

bob wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:37 pm
I'm still having a hard time wrapping my head around how this guy played Roy Cohn in a 1992 HBO movie and it was not a flattering portrayal of Cohn at all.
What happened to Woods?



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Post by Dr. Kenneth Noisewater » Wed May 02, 2018 9:02 am

bob wrote:
Tue May 01, 2018 8:37 pm
Verna K. "Ukulele" Lee died in November; she was 100.

(For the noobs: The registrar who signed Obama's birth certificate.)
Guess we'll never get to hear the supposed recording that Jerome Corsi made of the conversation with Verna Lee.



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Post by Dr. Kenneth Noisewater » Wed May 02, 2018 9:05 am

Fortinbras wrote:
Tue May 01, 2018 10:15 pm
Verna Lee was contacted, about 3 years ago, by a member of Crazy Joe Arpaio's cold case posse - but not by a face-to-face visit in Hawaii. This stalwart had already blown his junket on the sands on Waikiki and was back home in Arizona when he found her phone number and dialed her up. The important part of the conversation was that she insisted that back in 1961, when she was running the office, birth certificates were issued in sequence -- by which the spin was this meant absolute strict adherence to all the babies's sequence of births. Since Obama's birth certificate was a few numbers after someone else's who had been born the day after the future Prez, this was supposed to show some sort of hanky-panky if Mrs. Lee's statement was to be taken absolutely literally.

But, of course, the statement could not be taken literally because that would be impossible. The birth control office could not allow birth reports to pile up to an enormous stack to make sure that every baby was included and then sort that enormous collection of papers according to birth date and hour. After all, some midwives and even doctors might not be so prompt about finishing and mailing the birth reports. Most likely the sequence would be the sequence of arrival in the health department's In basket, which would be a vague approximation of the birth sequence. So the Obama birth certificate number wasn't suspicious at all.

Altho Arpaio's guy was slapdash about interviewing Mrs. Lee, I am sure that she was shown, maybe by someone else in her nursing home or someone in her family, the news report when the original "long form" with her signature on the President's birth certificate was made public. She certainly never denied its authenticity, then or ever.
Well they can't both say the Ah'nee document was the basis of the Obama certificate and then claim Verna Lee stated they were in sequence by date of birth. You can't have both and say there was strict adherence to the sequence. This is why we never heard about Verna Lee again in the Clown Posse's presentations. Jerome Corsi was supposedly the person to make the call and at the second press conference a reporter asked if Arpaio would ever release the tapes of the phone call. He said maybe. Fat chance at that happening. Zullo actually did try to see Lee in person. He showed up at her retirement home and was promptly escorted away by Honolulu police.



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Post by Fortinbras » Wed May 02, 2018 9:39 am

My error: In my 2nd paragraph I said "birth control office" and of course I meant "birth certificate office". Chalk that up to my other concerns.
I once spent years toiling in the US passport office in NYC, and learned something of how enormous amounts of applications are moved around, and also a Great Deal about birth certificates (and the Obama certificate from Hawaii with the green basketweave background is the genuine article!).

And back to the James Woods tweet: Obama was an undergrad at Columbia. At Columbia, the undergrads, no matter if they mingle with grad students in various classes, are identified as students of Columbia College, and the grad students (the candidates for Masters and Doctorates) are identified as students of Columbia University. Even though they go to classes in the same rooms, the same buildings, the same campus, etc. This peculiarity is so confusing to non-Columbians that most alums, without the slightest ill-intent, gloss over it in casual conversation. Obama was a student at Columbia College, and appears in the Columbia College Yearbook.

I hope my explanations are helpful.



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Post by Loren » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:24 pm

A thing I wrote for today, and published on Facebook. Thought it was worth sharing here as well:
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On June 12, 2008, Barack Obama’s presidential campaign released his short-form birth certificate online. It was three months after rumors about his birth had first been created online. It was just three days after they’d began to find a wide audience and circulate in earnest.

And it was ten years ago today.

If you’ve followed my little Birther interactions the last few days, the way that came about was because I happened to see a Birther meme circulating online. It was posted on May 22, and it contained four bullet points suggesting something was shady about Obama’s birth. The problem is that all four points were conspicuously and objectively false with even a modicum of fact-checking. It claimed his birth certificate called his Kenyan father “African-American,” which it did not (he’s merely “African”). It completely botched the dates his birth hospital changed names. And it cited a passage in “Dreams from My Father” that doesn’t even exist.

Nonetheless, in the past three weeks, this meme has been shared over 29,000 times.

It is absolute hogwash, and yet it’s averaged over 1000 shares per day. For a conspiracy theory that by any rational measure should’ve been killed in the womb ten years ago today. Why is such a silly, unsubstantiated, repeatedly debunked collection of intellectual drivel still attracting such a following today? Why is there anything more than a fringe subset of the population willing to publicly associate themselves with a conspiracy theory that the last President is an undocumented foreigner with a hidden past who was Constitutionally ineligible to even hold his office?

In no small part, it’s because of Donald Trump.

Since its inception in 2008, Birtherism had amassed an impressive online following despite its complete lack of merit. But what it always lacked was a true believer who could serve as its figurehead for the outside world, a spokesman that could take them into the mainstream. For the first few years, the top ranks of Birtherism were populated by screwball attorneys, like Moldovan dentist/lawyer Orly Taitz, or fringe political hacks, like WND’s Joseph Farah. Perhaps the most widely-known vocal Birther was Jerome Corsi, who’d made a name for himself with “Unfit For Command” and “The Obama Nation,” his bestselling books attacking John Kerry and Barack Obama.

That is, until Donald Trump came along.

Suddenly, within the span of weeks in spring 2011, Trump had given Birtherism such a boost in the public consciousness that even CNN was having to run debunking segments about it in primetime. He was a potential Presidential candidate, after all, and he was regularly talking up this nonsense on TV and in interviews. Imagine Hillary Clinton suddenly regurgitating arguments that George W. Bush ordered the World Trade Center to be destroyed, and you get an idea of how absurd this was. And this explosion in unnecessary publicity for a stupid conspiracy theory undoubtedly encouraged the White House to procure and release a copy of Obama’s original, “long-form” birth certificate, again confirming that he was born in Hawaii.

Looking back, a fascinating pattern emerges during those weeks. Trump actually starts off fairly mild in his allegations, suggesting only that Obama’s past isn’t an open book. But as the weeks pass, and as Trump was being fed more Birther material, his own gullibility can be seen on display. Behind the scenes, he was talking to such people as Jerome Corsi, who kept feeding him fresh nonsense. He started citing wilder and wilder conspiracy theories about Obama, many of which had been addressed and debunked years prior. Laid out on a timeline, you can even pinpoint when Trump was first introduced to each of these new rumors.

And each one of them he fell for, hard, because Donald Trump is a gullible rube with an almost complete lack of critical thinking skills. It’s why he’s so prone to believing conspiracy theories. It’s why he so frequently retweets misinformation and falls for fake stories that he reads. It’s why he doesn’t like educating himself, and why he has a habit of agreeing with the last person who talked to him.

And his gullibility is part of why 29,000 people still shared an idiotic Birther meme ten years after its central rumor was put to bed. It’s a big part of why, as of six months ago, a whopping 57 percent of Trump voters said it was "definitely true" or "probably true" that Barack Obama came from Kenya.
Worst of all, he’s unapologetic for this rash of ignorance that he helped spread. If anything, he’s perversely proud of his role. It’s yet another mark of his lack of character or principle or intellectual rigor.

Ten years ago, Americans should have been able to look at the plain and simple evidence and avoid going down the hole of conspiracy theory thinking. Instead, 63 million Americans perversely voted to make that conspiracy theory’s singular biggest and loudest advocate to be their President.

And so, even before he ever took office, Donald Trump already had a political legacy. It was, and is, one of gullibility and ignorance, and he continues to reinforce that legacy with each passing day.



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Loren wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:24 pm
A thing I wrote for today, and published on Facebook. Thought it was worth sharing here as well:
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