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Whatever... He's still more of a scientist than Rick Santorum.


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Whatever... He's still more of a scientist than Rick Santorum.And a much better Google search topic. 


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oh boy! Pope: Gun Makers Are Not ChristiansAt a rally after his visit to the Shroud of Turin, Pope Francis issued his strongest condemnation yet of people who manufacture weapons. He declared that those who do so and call themselves Christians are hypocrites. Pope Francis also spoke about the Holocaust, lamenting that the “great powers had the pictures of the railway lines that brought the trains to the concentration camps like Auschwitz to kill Jews, Christians, homosexuals, everybody. Why didn't they bomb (the railway lines)?"http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/201 ... tians.html And then you're directed to the reuter's post:Pope says weapons manufacturers can't call themselves ChristianSource: Reuters - Sun, 21 Jun 2015 18:37 GMT Author: Reuters  excerpt: "If you trust only men you have lost," he told the young people in a long, rambling talk about war, trust and politics after putting aside his prepared address."It makes me think of ... people, managers, businessmen who call themselves Christian and they manufacture weapons. That leads to a bit a distrust, doesn't it?" he said to applause.He also criticised those who invest in weapons industries, saying "duplicity is the currency of today ... they say one thing and do another."http://www.trust.org/item/20150621183811-et1rd    



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Associated Presshttp://www.startribune.com/pope-brings-church- ... 311421341/ Pope brings 'church for the poor' to S. America's poorest with Ecuador, Bolivia, Paraguay tripVATICAN CITY — Pope Francis is taking his "church for the poor" to three of South America's poorest and most peripheral countries, making a grueling, week-long trip that will showcase the pope at his unpredictable best: speaking his native Spanish on his home turf about issues closest to his heart.Indigenous peoples will take center stage during much of Francis' July 5-13 visit to Ecuador, Bolivia and Paraguay, while the Francis' own Jesuit order will be in the spotlight for its role in evangelizing the continent centuries ago and even today.Environmental concerns in the Amazon, border conflicts and the region's tortured history with authoritarian regimes also factor into the agenda as history's first Latin American pope returns to Spanish-speaking South America for the first time since he was elected two years ago. ...It will be a grueling eight-day trip that will test the stamina of the 78-year-old Francis, who has only one full lung and a bad back: It will take him across the globe to extremes of altitude — from sea level to the 4,000-meter highs of La Paz, Bolivia and back again — with multiple in-country flights and a dawn-to-dusk schedule each day. ...That said, Lombardi wouldn't rule out that Francis might chew coca leaves — or at least sip tea made from them — to offset the altitude sickness that might set in when he lands in La Paz for a brief, four-hour visit.


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NBC Newshttp://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/pope-francis ... 389121Pope Francis Drinks Coca Tea to Stop Altitude Sickness in Bolivia LA PAZ, Bolivia — Pope Francis enjoyed an in-flight tea made with from coca leaves — illegal in the United States — to prevent altitude sickness during a visit to the world's highest capital city.Sitting at an altitude of 13,000 feet, La Paz has air 30 percent thinner than at sea level and the reduced oxygen level can cause fatigue, headaches and shortness of breath. That was a real concern for Francis, who has had part of one lung removed as a child due to an infection.Francis — Latin America's first pope — is on a tour of the region. Staff on the Bolivian Airlines plane from Quito, Ecuador, on Wednesday offered journalists a traditional remedy of coca tea to reduce the effect of altitude sickness.A flight attendant told NBC News that the pontiff was instead served Trimate — a tea mix of coca, chamomile and anise seeds.


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Stop shunning divorced Catholics, Pope Francis tells his flock
Pope Francis called on Catholics to stop alienating divorced families because of the impact is has on their children

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... flock.html


Divorced Catholics cannot receive communion unless they abstain from sexual relations because their first marriage is still considered valid.

But church reformers hope Wednesday’s remarks are a signal that Pope Francis wants the synod to adopt a more accommodating position, perhaps even a lift of the communion ban.

During a trip to Equador earlier this summer, Francis urged pilgrims to pray hard for "a miracle" at the synod, adding "families today need this miracle".

On Wednesday, the pope acknowledged that Catholic teaching considers "taking up a new union" after divorce to be wrong and contradictory of the Christian sacrament of marriage.

Nonetheless, he went on to say, the church must always consider well-being of others.

“The church is called to always be the open house of the Holy Father,” he told the audience in St. Peter’s Square. “No closed doors . . . No closed doors.


So let us see if his bishops an cardinals follow his advice ....



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mimi wrote:oh boy! Pope: Gun Makers Are Not ChristiansAt a rally after his visit to the Shroud of Turin, Pope Francis issued his strongest condemnation yet of people who manufacture weapons. He declared that those who do so and call themselves Christians are hypocrites. Pope Francis also spoke about the Holocaust, lamenting that the “great powers had the pictures of the railway lines that brought the trains to the concentration camps like Auschwitz to kill Jews, Christians, homosexuals, everybody. Why didn't they bomb (the railway lines)?"http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/201 ... tians.html And then you're directed to the reuter's post:Pope says weapons manufacturers can't call themselves ChristianSource: Reuters - Sun, 21 Jun 2015 18:37 GMT Author: Reuters  excerpt: "If you trust only men you have lost," he told the young people in a long, rambling talk about war, trust and politics after putting aside his prepared address."It makes me think of ... people, managers, businessmen who call themselves Christian and they manufacture weapons. That leads to a bit a distrust, doesn't it?" he said to applause.He also criticised those who invest in weapons industries, saying "duplicity is the currency of today ... they say one thing and do another."http://www.trust.org/item/20150621183811-et1rd    
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War Pigs...
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Post by ZekeB » Wed Aug 05, 2015 1:30 pm

Oh man. WWTOCS? (What will the Orthodox Church say?)


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A conservative revolt is brewing inside the Vatican

VATICAN CITY — On a sunny morning earlier this year, a camera crew entered a well-appointed apartment just outside the 9th-century gates of Vatican City. Pristinely dressed in the black robes and scarlet sash of the princes of the Roman Catholic Church, the Wisconsin-born Cardinal Raymond Burke sat in his elaborately upholstered armchair and appeared to issue a warning to Pope Francis.

A staunch conservative and Vatican bureaucrat, Burke had been demoted by the pope a few months earlier, but it did not take the fight out of him. Francis had been backing a more inclusive era, giving space to progressive voices on divorced Catholics as well as gays and lesbians. In front of the camera, Burke said he would “resist” liberal changes — and seemed to caution Francis about the limits of his authority. “One must be very attentive regarding the power of the pope,” Burke told the French news crew. ...

Yet as he upends church convention, Francis also is grappling with a conservative backlash to the liberal momentum building inside the church. In more than a dozen interviews, including with seven senior church officials, insiders say the change has left the hierarchy more polarized over the direction of the church than at any point since the great papal reformers of the 1960s.

The conservative rebellion is taking on many guises, in public comments, yes, but also in the rising popularity of conservative Catholic Web sites promoting Francis dissenters; books and promotional materials backed by conservative clerics seeking to counter the liberal trend; and leaks to the news media, aimed at Vatican reformers.

In his recent comments, Burke was also merely stating fact. Despite the vast powers of the pope, church doctrine serves as a kind of constitution. And for liberal reformers, the bruising theological pushback by conservatives is complicating efforts to translate the pope’s transformative style into tangible changes.


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If the tables were turned, I have no doubt that the Cardinal would be telling the opposition that they must submit to the authority of the Pope.


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Post by Kriselda Gray » Tue Sep 08, 2015 9:30 am

My understanding is that the Pope is considered to be God's representative on Earth. If so, aren't the conservatives essentially disagreeing with God when challenging the Pope's leadership?


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Post by Clairez » Tue Sep 08, 2015 9:39 am

Kriselda Gray wrote:My understanding is that the Pope is considered to be God's representative on Earth. If so, aren't the conservatives essentially disagreeing with God when challenging the Pope's leadership?
As I understand it (I'm not Catholic) what the Pope says is only considered authoritative when he says it in an Encyclicals. Then it is written as from St. Peter's chair and is directly from the holy spirit and must be followed.
Anything else he says he speaks as a man, granted a wise and holy man but still a man, so that does not become doctrine. I know Catholics here can explain it much better and correct me where I have erred on this.



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Post by mmmirele » Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:13 am

Well, I suspect the pope has the conservative cardinals going up in flames (as well as canon lawyers):
Catholics seeking an annulment previously needed approval from two Church tribunals. The reforms will reduce this to one, although appeals will still be allowed.
The new fast-track procedure will allow bishops to grant annulments directly if both spouses request it.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34 ... ws_central

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Let's hope he lives long enough :pray:


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Post by Suranis » Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:32 am

People consider the Catholic church to be a hierarchical organization. Its actually more like a wheel with the Pope in the center. The Church bureaucracy is actually designed to limit the Popes power rather than enhance it, and the various spokes of the wheel are designed to pull in different directions in order to create balance in the Popes decisions. The Pope is NOT a dictator. That's why the Church moves slowly, and that is by design. Other wise it would have adopted a load of crazy ideas in its 2000 year history.

You can take the example of the Jesuits defending Galileo against the charges of the Dominicans in his first round with the inquisition as a good example of the way the church interacts with itself.

And yes the Catholic Church has a doctrine of Papal infallibility, but that does not mean that he is always right. He is considered infallible in matters of faith and Doctrine and that's it. When he uses that power on behalf of the church its after a long period of consultation and it signifies him speaking on behalf of the whole church.

In short, Arguments inside the church are nothing new, and I would expect this behavior from the American cardinal. What I would actually be looking at is the African church leaders as they were severely ticked off at being pointedly ignored by various factions during the recent Synod and they will be flexing their muscles in order to get their opinion heard. That will be very interesting.


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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Tue Sep 08, 2015 1:00 pm

Pope Francis' modesty is roiling the Church. Too many Cardinals think they've got cushy jobs. And they like the trappings, the pomp and circumstances, the splendor and the wealth. Pope Francis wants them all to live simpler, less extravagant lives. For many Cardinals the response appears to be "How dare you!"



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Suranis wrote:You can take the example of the Jesuits defending Galileo against the charges of the Dominicans in his first round with the inquisition as a good example of the way the church interacts with itself.
True enough. And you could just as easily use the involvement of the Jesuits (e.g. Orazio Grassi) on the other side during round two as an example of exactly the same thing. :-D


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Sterngard Friegen wrote:Pope Francis' modesty is roiling the Church. Too many Cardinals think they've got cushy jobs. And they like the trappings, the pomp and circumstances, the splendor and the wealth. Pope Francis wants them all to live simpler, less extravagant lives. For many Cardinals the response appears to be "How dare you!"
I respectfully dissent.

Francis' modesty was a known quantity when he was elected. His humble lifestyle while he was a Cardinal was definitely no secret, and he was elected by a group that includes pretty much all of the Cardinals who are currently expressing their concern. I think Suranis hit the nail on the head when he brought up the difference between the American faction and the developing world. I think the Americans got outvoted during the Conclave, and have been doing damage control ever since.


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Post by Northland10 » Tue Sep 08, 2015 8:15 pm

Mikedunford wrote:
Sterngard Friegen wrote:Pope Francis' modesty is roiling the Church. Too many Cardinals think they've got cushy jobs. And they like the trappings, the pomp and circumstances, the splendor and the wealth. Pope Francis wants them all to live simpler, less extravagant lives. For many Cardinals the response appears to be "How dare you!"
I respectfully dissent.

Francis' modesty was a known quantity when he was elected. His humble lifestyle while he was a Cardinal was definitely no secret, and he was elected by a group that includes pretty much all of the Cardinals who are currently expressing their concern. I think Suranis hit the nail on the head when he brought up the difference between the American faction and the developing world. I think the Americans got outvoted during the Conclave, and have been doing damage control ever since.
Both you and Suranis have explained it well. I have noticed that Americans of all stripes have a tendency toward arrogance in their dealings with the rest of the world.


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Raw Story
White supremacists threaten to assassinate ‘anti-white’ Pope Francis during US visit

White supremacists have been calling for the assassination of Pope Francis over his calls on Europeans to house refugees fleeing Syria, according to the SITE Intelligence Group, an organization that monitors extremist organizations.

SITE reported Monday that the comments were posted to the infamous white supremacist blog Stormfront in response to a Washington Post article reporting the pontiff’s call for European Catholics to shelter asylum seekers who are streaming across Europe, mainly from Syria.

“This mofo needs a third eye, right in the middle of where his two existing eyes are,” wrote someone using the handle “Freedom lover.”

Another, using the handle “Peace through Stormfront,” wrote, “White people need to be protected from the genocidal anti-white Pope and the genocidal anti-white religion he pushes.”


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Addie wrote:Raw Story
White supremacists threaten to assassinate ‘anti-white’ Pope Francis during US visit

White supremacists have been calling for the assassination of Pope Francis over his calls on Europeans to house refugees fleeing Syria, according to the SITE Intelligence Group, an organization that monitors extremist organizations.

SITE reported Monday that the comments were posted to the infamous white supremacist blog Stormfront in response to a Washington Post article reporting the pontiff’s call for European Catholics to shelter asylum seekers who are streaming across Europe, mainly from Syria.

“This mofo needs a third eye, right in the middle of where his two existing eyes are,” wrote someone using the handle “Freedom lover.”

Another, using the handle “Peace through Stormfront,” wrote, “White people need to be protected from the genocidal anti-white Pope and the genocidal anti-white religion he pushes.”
Let us hope these are just a few blowhards.


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Post by magdalen77 » Wed Sep 09, 2015 12:46 pm

As a (col)lapsed Catholic like Kate, I fail to see what's anti-white about Catholicism. Generally speaking it's been very much the contrary historically. But, they must mean the utter horror of having a religious leader encouraging people to behave in accordance with his deity's teachings and care for the less fortunate. How dastardly!!!



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Post by RoadScholar » Wed Sep 09, 2015 1:15 pm

magdalen77 wrote:As a (col)lapsed Catholic like Kate, I fail to see what's anti-white about Catholicism. Generally speaking it's been very much the contrary historically. But, they must mean the utter horror of having a religious leader encouraging people to behave in accordance with his deity's teachings and care for the less fortunate. How dastardly!!!
I'm pretty sure they're focused on the Hispanicity of this particular Pope, and as everybody knows, all Hispanics (and anyone brownish) are anti-White. Plus, he's calling for sympathy for and generosity to brownish Muslimish types, and that's a capital offense. Apparently.


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US 'disrupted' plot to harm Pope Francis

The United States has broken up a threat against Pope Francis, who will visit Washington and other US cities this month, it emerged on Sunday.

No details of the threat were given.

US authorities are concerned about the visit because the Pope likes to get out among the huge crowds that gather to see him, said Michael McCaul, chairman of the House Committee on Homeland Security.

"He's a very compassionate man. He likes to get out with the people," McCaul said on ABC's "This Week" talk show.

"With that comes a large security risk. We're monitoring very closely threats against the pope as he comes into the United States. We have disrupted one particular case," Mr McCaul said.

He said he learned of the threat in a classified setting with the US Secret Service.


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