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https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article ... ssion=true
Comprehensive history of the evangelical segment of American Society - think pre-Harriett Beecher Stowe to Franklin Graham.
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How evangelicals, once culturally confident, became an anxious minority seeking political protection from the least traditionally religious president in living memory


Trump’s background and beliefs could hardly be more incompatible with traditional Christian models of life and leadership. Trump’s past political stances (he once supported the right to partial-birth abortion), his character (he has bragged about sexually assaulting women), and even his language (he introduced the words pussy and shithole into presidential discourse) would more naturally lead religious conservatives toward exorcism than alliance. This is a man who has cruelly publicized his infidelities, made disturbing sexual comments about his elder daughter, and boasted about the size of his penis on the debate stage. His lawyer reportedly arranged a $130,000 payment to a porn star to dissuade her from disclosing an alleged affair. Yet religious conservatives who once blanched at PG-13 public standards now yawn at such NC-17 maneuvers. We are a long way from The Book of Virtues.

Trump supporters tend to dismiss moral scruples about his behavior as squeamishness over the president’s “style.” But the problem is the distinctly non-Christian substance of his values. Trump’s unapologetic materialism—his equation of financial and social success with human achievement and worth—is a negation of Christian teaching. His tribalism and hatred for “the other” stand in direct opposition to Jesus’s radical ethic of neighbor love. Trump’s strength-worship and contempt for “losers” smack more of Nietzsche than of Christ. Blessed are the proud. Blessed are the ruthless. Blessed are the shameless. Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after fame.

The moral convictions of many evangelical leaders have become a function of their partisan identification. This is not mere gullibility; it is utter corruption. Blinded by political tribalism and hatred for their political opponents, these leaders can’t see how they are undermining the causes to which they once dedicated their lives. Little remains of a distinctly Christian public witness.

As the prominent evangelical pastor Tim Keller—who is not a Trump loyalist—recently wrote in The New Yorker, “ ‘Evangelical’ used to denote people who claimed the high moral ground; now, in popular usage, the word is nearly synonymous with ‘hypocrite.’ ” So it is little wonder that last year the Princeton Evangelical Fellowship, an 87-year-old ministry, dropped the “E word” from its name, becoming the Princeton Christian Fellowship: Too many students had identified the term with conservative political ideology. Indeed, a number of serious evangelicals are distancing themselves from the word for similar reasons.
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That was a long article, but a good read. I'm not sure I agreed with all his points, but it was a good overview. The evangelicals made a deal with the devil long before the current resident. This is just the end (I hope) result of that deal made 50 years ago with the republican party.
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'Evangelicals for Trump' was an awful display by supposed citizens of the Kingdom of God
by John Fea Opinion contributor | Published Jan 11, 2020 | https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/ ... rNzdYtgg_4
I have spent my entire adult life in the evangelical community. I had a born-again experience when I was 16 and I never looked back. I currently teach history at a Christian college with evangelical roots. As a historian, I study American evangelicalism.

But I have never seen anything like what I witnessed last week as I watched President Donald Trump speak to a few thousand of his evangelical supporters at El Rey Jesus, a largely Hispanic megachurch in Miami, during the kickoff to his “Evangelicals for Trump” campaign.

:snippity:

I watched my fellow evangelicals rising to their feet and pumping their fists when Trump said he would win reelection in 2020.

Trump spent the evening mocking his enemies, trafficking in half-truths in order to instill fear in people whom God commands to “fear not,” and proving that he is incapable of expressing anything close to Christian humility.

His evangelical supporters loved every minute of it. On Friday night, Christians who claim to be citizens of the Kingdom of God went to church, cheered the depraved words of a president, and warmly embraced his offer of political power. Such a display by evangelicals is unprecedented in American history.
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Video clip here :sick:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4844983/ ... cals-trump

Full video Trump Remarks at Evangelical Rally January 3, 2020
https://www.c-span.org/video/?467813-1/ ... ally-miami

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That picture made me physically ill.

That's a first for me. Jesus fucking christ.
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That smug look on his face is begging to be slapped. He was probably trying for reverence, but he’ll never get there.
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Matthew 6:5-8 King James Version
Edit: I added more.
5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

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I bet he’s peeking out from one eye to see who in the audience admires him most.
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His facial expression are always, and I mean always, textbook examples of greed, hate, belligerence, avarice, petulance, tastelessness, love of cruelty, smugness, animosity, threat, menace, intolerance, destruction, nastiness, selfishness, ingratitude, crassness, cravenness, stupidity, jackassery, rudeness, egocentricity, irresponsibility, mockery, intimidation, sniveling,megalomania, misogyny, bullying, persecution, ignorance, insult, imperiousness, gloating, small-mindedness, self-aggrandizement, despite, condescension, imbecility, lasciviousness, belittlement, anger, arrogance, hostility, hubris, and, if I had to pick one: malice.

He has none, the king-becoming virtues.

We're gonna need a bigger textbook.
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:) Santa Claus brought you a thesaurus, p0rtia? :)

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I found it a soothing exercise.

I could have gone on.
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p0rtia wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:05 pm
I found it a soothing exercise.

I could have gone on.
Superciliousness.
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Tiredretiredlawyer wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:36 pm
p0rtia wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:05 pm
I found it a soothing exercise.

I could have gone on.
Superciliousness.
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1000% off-topic, prompted by your eyebrow-related adjective and my having sung along to The Sound Of Music during the Christmas holidays, one of the great newspaper headlines in the UK was in a nasty Murdoch paper which reported on a soccer match in a Scottish cup competition. In the usual league competitions, teams only play teams of a similar standard, but clubs from all tiers can enter the cup competition, so at some stage teams from minor leagues can play teams from the top league if they win their matches (there is some sort of seeding like in tennis tournaments so the big teams don't play in the earliest rounds). Celtic in Glasgow is a major Scottish and European team, always near the top of the top league. They are a serious team. In 2000, Celtic played a small team from the unfashionable north called Inverness Caledonian Thistle in the cup competition. Celtic lost, badly. The Sun's headline was:
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p0rtia wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:05 pm
I found it a soothing exercise.

I could have gone on.
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tencats wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:13 am
'Evangelicals for Trump' was an awful display by supposed citizens of the Kingdom of God
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worth noting that the evangelicalism of the Evangelicals for Trump rally is of a specific kind, namely the New Apostolic Reformation, a sect that considers itself apart from Protestantism, Catholicism, or Orthodoxy. infamously, the NAR teaches that the church can recognize "apostles" and "prophets" who are entitled to speak for God on earth and whose authority is unquestionable. they also teach that it is the duty of reformers to dominate the culture and hasten the end times. even other Protestant evangelicals object to them --

http://www.piratechristian.com/berean-e ... nar-church

in 2010, Rachel Tabachnick wrote
The modern-day apostles and prophets of the New Apostolic Reformation view their postdenominational movement as the future face of the Protestant church and the end of denominations as we know them. Their ideology and "relational networks" have taken root in the block of 400 million independent charismatics, sometimes referred to as Neocharismatics. This is an often overlooked mega-block of Christianity that is larger than all Protestant denominations combined, according to world missions statisticians. Their networks are also drawing in denominational churches and change both the internal government of a church and the way that churches relate. The movement's leadership teaches "Dominionism" or the belief that Christians of similar beliefs should take "dominion" over society and government prior to Jesus' return.
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I'm no theologian, but regardless of what sky god (if any) actually exists, I don't think the End Times are gonna be what these assholes think they're gonna be.
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tek wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:03 pm
I'm no theologian, but regardless of what sky god (if any) actually exists, I don't think the End Times are gonna be what these assholes think they're gonna be.
This Rowan Atkinson sketch seems appropriate, for best results, start at 2:00.
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/12/us/one-m ... index.html
(CNN)Activist conservative group One Million Moms is taking aim at Burger King for using what it calls the "d-word" in a commercial promoting the non-meat Impossible Whopper.
In the ad, a group of people taste-test the plant-based patty that has been a hit for the fast-food company. With a mouthful of food, one man says, "Damn, that's good."
The same gang that tried to remove the Hallmark ad a while ago.

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"Language is a poor enough means of communication. We've got to use all the words we've got. Besides, there are damn few words anybody understands." ---Henry Drummond in Inherit the Wind (character based on Clarence Darrow).
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You dare to challenge the creator of "covfefe" :o

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