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Post by RTH10260 » Sun Apr 17, 2016 1:53 am

and today this
Behold, The World’s First Official Pastafarian Wedding
Surely the Flying Spaghetti Monster smiled on this.

04/16/2016 07:02 pm ET
Hilary Hanson Viral News Editor, The Huffington Post

When New Zealand approved The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster — whose followers are known as “Pastafarians ”— to officiate marriages, we knew it was just a matter of time until we saw beautiful photos of Pastafarian weddings.

That day has arrived.

Toby Rickets and Marianna Fenn wed Saturday on a boat in New Zealand’s Akaroa Harbor under the auspices of Karyn Martyn, a “ministeroni,” according to NPR.

Their exchanged rigatoni rings and their kiss involved them locking lips by slurping the same noodle at opposite ends, “Lady and the Tramp” style, the Associated Press reports.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/pas ... 0ccda37a86



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Post by Volkonski » Mon May 22, 2017 1:22 pm

:thumbs:

Way More Americans May Be Atheists Than We Thought

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wa ... y-facebook
The authors of the study, published earlier this year, adopted a novel way to measure atheist identity. Instead of asking about belief in God directly, they provided a list of seemingly innocuous statements and then asked: “How many of these statements are true of you?” Respondents in a control group were given a list of nine statements, such as “I own a dog” and “I am a vegetarian.” The test group received all the same statements plus one that read, “I do not believe in God.” The totals from the test group were then compared to those from the control group, allowing researchers to estimate the number of people who identify as atheists without requiring any of the respondents to directly state that they don’t believe in God.1 The study concludes that roughly one-quarter (26 percent) of Americans likely do not believe in God.

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Americans express a considerable degree of intolerance toward atheists. More than half of Americans believe atheists should not be allowed to put up public displays that celebrate their beliefs (for example, a banner highlighting Americans’ freedom from religion under the Bill of Rights). More than one-third believe atheists should be banned from becoming president, and similar numbers believe they should be denied the opportunity to teach in public schools or the right to hold a rally.

And therein lies the problem: The stigma attached to the atheist label may prevent Americans from claiming it or sharing their beliefs with others. In certain parts of the country, pressure to conform to prevailing religious practices and beliefs is strong. A reporter with The Telegraph writing from rural Virginia, for example, found that for many atheists, being closeted makes a lot of sense. “The stakes are high,” said a Virginia Tech graduate who was raised Christian but is now an atheist. “Do I want to be supported by my friends and family, or am I going to risk being kicked out of clubs and organizations? It’s tempting just to avoid the whole issue.”

The fear of coming out shows up in polling too. A 2016 PRRI survey found that more than one-third of atheists reported hiding their religious identity or beliefs from friends and family members out of concerns that they would disapprove.


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Post by TollandRCR » Mon May 22, 2017 5:11 pm

I suspect that there are more Americans who don't believe in anything supernatural than there are who are willing to declare themselves atheists.


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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Mon May 22, 2017 6:36 pm

I have run the religious gamut - raised Catholic, leaned Methodist, enjoyed studying Buddhism, and currently do not believe in a creator god (like Buddhists). I do, however, believe and have experienced a ghost which might be off topic. So, have I come out?


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Post by RTH10260 » Mon May 22, 2017 6:56 pm

Tiredretiredlawyer wrote:I have run the religious gamut - raised Catholic, leaned Methodist, enjoyed studying Buddhism, and currently do not believe in a creator god (like Buddhists). I do, however, believe and have experienced a ghost which might be off topic. So, have I come out?
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Post by mmmirele » Mon May 22, 2017 6:59 pm

Volkonski wrote::thumbs:

Way More Americans May Be Atheists Than We Thought
This reminds me of the aspirational nature of polling for church attendance. I'm going to quote from Wikipedia on this, because it gives a much better summary of the (limited) research we have:
In the early 1990s, American sociologists Kirk Hadaway, Penny Marler, and Mark Chaves found that weekly attendance at Protestant and Catholic churches in one rural county in Ohio was only about 20%, whereas self-reported church attendance was 36%.[73] The following studies confirmed a long-suspected gap between actual and self-reporting church attendance.[74][75] The researchers have been wary of accusing over-reporters of dishonesty, as they found in the study that those who over-report do so mainly to maintain perceptions of themselves as "churched" Americans, not because they are afraid to reveal to the interviewer that they are "bad Christians."[76] The findings point to a bigger issue as many people in the world may be over-reporting church attendance because of their self-perception and identity as churchgoing people, indicating a certain psychological aspect to the over-reporting of church attendance. Although surveys of church attendance are aimed to study religious behavior, many respondents view them as questions about their identity. This is especially true among Americans who consider themselves "regular churchgoers."[77][78]
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Post by Chilidog » Mon May 22, 2017 7:07 pm

I saw this today and though maybe this thread would be a good place for it

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The percentage of U.S. adults who believe that God created humans in their present form at some time within the last 10,000 years or so -- the strict creationist view -- has reached a new low. Thirty-eight percent of U.S. adults now accept creationism, while 57% believe in some form of evolution -- either God-guided or not -- saying man developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/210956/belie ... w-low.aspx



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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Mon May 22, 2017 10:05 pm

RTH10260 wrote:
Tiredretiredlawyer wrote:I have run the religious gamut - raised Catholic, leaned Methodist, enjoyed studying Buddhism, and currently do not believe in a creator god (like Buddhists). I do, however, believe and have experienced a ghost which might be off topic. So, have I come out?
Pictures of your castle or it ain't happened ! ;)
The ghost was in a 19th century home my firm purchased. The house was made of hand cut gray granite, had two turrets and three stories. In giving directions in pre smartphone days, we told folks to "look for the castle."

You knew she was present by her perfume. The staff dubbed her "Violet" since that was the fragrance. She wore a white dress. The staff who worked in the building before our purchase told us about her.


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Post by Patagoniagirl » Mon May 22, 2017 11:06 pm

I am atheistic/agnostic. I felt that when Mister left the physical earth he was all around, but then felt that he was not here. Maybe somewhere in the winds or clouds. Been lonely for him. For a long time. Anyway...a couple of months ago, sitting at a shabby thatch-roof bar on the beach watching the sun go down, I felt his arm around the back of my bar stoool. I felt his presence. Profoundly. I wanted to turn around and see him because I miss him so much but I was afraid to not see him. He was standing there. I think in that moment that all the strings in the theory that enveloped me. He was there and I was happy. And sad.



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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Tue May 23, 2017 4:47 am

How profound and moving.


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Post by mmmirele » Tue May 23, 2017 9:01 am

Chilidog wrote:I saw this today and though maybe this thread would be a good place for it

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The percentage of U.S. adults who believe that God created humans in their present form at some time within the last 10,000 years or so -- the strict creationist view -- has reached a new low. Thirty-eight percent of U.S. adults now accept creationism, while 57% believe in some form of evolution -- either God-guided or not -- saying man developed over millions of years from less advanced forms of life.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/210956/belie ... w-low.aspx
GOOD. Except for calling it the "strict creationist view." It's "young earth creationism." People need to use the right terminology.

It looks like YECers are losing people to both theistic evolutionists and "God had no part in the process" people. This is actually unsurprising, since I've heard from people who were former believers in YEC how traumatized they were when they found out they'd basically been lied to.



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Post by Volkonski » Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:33 am

Came out of home depot yesterday and found this car parked in front of my car.

We must have some local Rastafarians. :)

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Post by TollandRCR » Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:51 am

I had not realized how much America has declined in religiosity. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/jesuscreed ... -church-1/
tells a dramatic story of decline in a!most all varieties of the Christian church. Moreover, it is arguable that many other forms of volunteer-based communities are also in decline -- families, friendships, political communities. This is a problem even if you are happy to see churches die. We cannot be happy Bowling Alone.

TFB is a counter-example to Robert Putnam's findings.


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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:03 am

The Alzu.org lessons spoke of social interaction being important to delay onset of Azheimer's. It includes communicating online. Fogbow, the church/community/volunteer-based stronghold of the now and future! :thumbs:


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Post by Volkonski » Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:09 am

Religious ‘nones’ are gaining ground in America, and they’re worried about the economy, says new study

https://religionnews.com/2017/11/16/rel ... new-study/
Thirty-four percent of Americans surveyed said they were atheist, agnostic, or “nothing in particular,” according to the American Family Survey released today.

Taken together, this makes the unaffiliated the largest religious group in the study, having surpassed Protestants (33%) and Catholics (21%). There was also a smattering of other groups such as Muslims (2%), Jews (2%), Mormons (1%), Orthodox Christians (1%), and Hindus (1%), as well as those who said they were “something else” (4%).

The American Family Survey is the project of Christopher Karpowitz and Jeremy Pope, who teach political science at Brigham Young University, and is co-sponsored by BYU and the Deseret News. Now in its third year, it aims to uncover Americans’ attitudes on a broad range of issues, including politics, health care, immigration, and the challenges now facing the American family. This year had a special focus on comparing Clinton and Trump voters.

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“When we first started doing this study in 2015, more than two-thirds of our respondents picked at least one cultural issue as being one of the three most important issues facing American families. Now there’s been an 11-point increase in the percentage of people who say the biggest issues facing families are economic.”


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Post by Volkonski » Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:57 pm


Scott Wong

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Dem reps launch Congressional Freethought Caucus http://thehill.com/homenews/house/38557 ... dw.twitter

5:46 PM - Apr 30, 2018
Ironic that Dems are doing this when so many Republicans are ungodly. ;)


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Post by RVInit » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:16 pm

Volkonski wrote:
Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:57 pm

Scott Wong

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Dem reps launch Congressional Freethought Caucus http://thehill.com/homenews/house/38557 ... dw.twitter

5:46 PM - Apr 30, 2018
Ironic that Dems are doing this when so many Republicans are ungodly. ;)
They are opening themselves up for being replaced, sadly. There is almost no other group of people that is less trusted than "atheist". Good gawd, why now? They have already lost the considerable lead they had against Republicans and now this? By the way, I am atheist myself, so it's not that I am knocking anyone for being atheist.

There are many more articles aside from this one, but it makes the point.

https://www.thoughtco.com/atheists-trus ... sts-248477


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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:54 pm

:yeah:


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Post by TollandRCR » Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:02 pm

"Stupid'" is not a Rebubkican franchise.
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TollandRCR wrote:
Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:02 pm
"Stupid'" is not a Rebubkican franchise.
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:lol: but also, too :crying: :crying: :crying:


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Post by kate520 » Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:39 pm

Sigh. I guess we're not there yet.

Free Thinkers are not all atheists. Jefferson was a free thinker. Adams and Franklin, too. So am I. So are many of you. You might be surprised at how many Americans would welcome somewhere else to hang their hats.

Why in the name of all that's holy should we give .001 fucks about what the crazy godbotherers thInk? We are not Republican Light. :boxing:


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Post by RoadScholar » Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:02 pm

Plus a poll just showed Unaffiliated/Uncertain as a group just surpassed Protestant and Catholic. And besides, Freethinking can mean, if you will, anything from Atheism to “Unorganized Religion.”


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Post by Volkonski » Sat May 12, 2018 3:26 pm


ABC News

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36% of Americans identify themselves as members of a Protestant faith, down from 50% in 2003, per @ABC News/WaPo poll. http://abcn.ws/2ryyLQN

2:10 PM - May 12, 2018


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Post by TollandRCR » Sat May 12, 2018 11:58 pm

Long ago in this thread i posted an observation that the god of the Old Testsment was an adolescent prone to fits of anger and jealousy. "...shall have no other gods before me" always struck me as a strange demand. Some of the stories also convey the idea of a world of several gods.

To my surprise i have just discovered that in that post i proposed a classically Gmostic heresy. It was the theology of Marcion of Asia. Specifically it was the theology that the god of the Old Testament and the god of the New Testament were diffferent entities. The god who created the earth was a demiurge, not a true deity. He was an angry and jealous god. His traits are incompatible with the traits.of the loving god of the New. That god had to sacrifice his son to redeem the world from the demiurge.

Marcion was excommunicated from the Roman church but persisted in his teachings for his many churches in Asia. The Nicene Creed of 381 tried to deal with Marcion in its complex description of god. Marcion also developed his own list of books of the Bible, spurring the Roman church to take action.

Here are the Nicene Creeds of 325 and 381. Note how much effort is made in the revision to nail down the nature of god. The idea that i presented almost as a joke was a major problem for the early church. I have always known i am a heretic; nice to see proof.

First Council of Nicaea (325)
We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one Being with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us and for our salvation he came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, and was made man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered death and was buried. On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father. With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

First Council of Constantinople (381)
We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all that is, seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father,God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one Being with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, and was made man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered and was buried. On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.


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Just take Ockham's Razor and all gods disappear.


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