Ireland 2016 - 100 Years Independence from UK

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Post by RTH10260 » Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:32 pm

April 24, 2016 100 Years Independence from Britain

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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:47 pm

The letter "A" does not appear in the word "independence."

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Re: Ireland 2016 - 100 Years Independence from UK


Post by RTH10260 » Wed Feb 10, 2016 1:26 am

de minimis ;)

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Re: Ireland 2016 - 100 Years Independence from UK


Post by Chilidog » Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:39 am

Easter, 1916

By William Butler Yeats
I have met them at close of day
Coming with vivid faces
From counter or desk among grey
Eighteenth-century houses.
I have passed with a nod of the head
Or polite meaningless words,
Or have lingered awhile and said
Polite meaningless words,
And thought before I had done
Of a mocking tale or a gibe
To please a companion
Around the fire at the club,
Being certain that they and I
But lived where motley is worn:
All changed, changed utterly:
A terrible beauty is born.

That woman's days were spent
In ignorant good-will,
Her nights in argument
Until her voice grew shrill.
What voice more sweet than hers
When, young and beautiful,
She rode to harriers?
This man had kept a school
And rode our wingèd horse;
This other his helper and friend
Was coming into his force;
He might have won fame in the end,
So sensitive his nature seemed,
So daring and sweet his thought.
This other man I had dreamed
A drunken, vainglorious lout.
He had done most bitter wrong
To some who are near my heart,
Yet I number him in the song;
He, too, has resigned his part
In the casual comedy;
He, too, has been changed in his turn,
Transformed utterly:
A terrible beauty is born.

Hearts with one purpose alone
Through summer and winter seem
Enchanted to a stone
To trouble the living stream.
The horse that comes from the road,
The rider, the birds that range
From cloud to tumbling cloud,
Minute by minute they change;
A shadow of cloud on the stream
Changes minute by minute;
A horse-hoof slides on the brim,
And a horse plashes within it;
The long-legged moor-hens dive,
And hens to moor-cocks call;
Minute by minute they live:
The stone's in the midst of all.

Too long a sacrifice
Can make a stone of the heart.
O when may it suffice?
That is Heaven's part, our part
To murmur name upon name,
As a mother names her child
When sleep at last has come
On limbs that had run wild.
What is it but nightfall?
No, no, not night but death;
Was it needless death after all?
For England may keep faith
For all that is done and said.
We know their dream; enough
To know they dreamed and are dead;
And what if excess of love
Bewildered them till they died?
I write it out in a verse—
MacDonagh and MacBride
And Connolly and Pearse
Now and in time to be,
Wherever green is worn,
Are changed, changed utterly:
A terrible beauty is born.

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Re: Ireland 2016 - 100 Years Independence from UK


Post by Suranis » Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:00 am

Ok. In FACT, Ireland received independence from the UK in 1947. The 1916 rising was in itself a colossal failure. Its something about the Irish psyche that we celebrate our failures and ignore our successes.

Even if you take Ireland entering the commonwealth as a sign of de facto independence, we didn't even do that till 1922.

But hey some people like to think that the real Irish Goverment comes from 1916, but they are the same people who used to blow up school busses in the north for the freedom of Ireland.

And you know, there will be a load of BS talked about the 1916 rising, but there wont be a word spoken about the Irishmen who were on the fields of Flanders right then, becasue they were doinjg it under the flag of the *CHOKE* British Army. SO I'll post this which 99.9% of Irish have never even heard of
Marshal Foch’s Tribute to the Irish Soldiers who died in the First World War.

PARIS, FRIDAY, Nov. 9th, 1928

THE Heroic Dead of Ireland have every right to the homage of the living for they proved in some of the heaviest fighting of the world war that the unconquerable spirit of the Irish race— the spirit that has placed them among the world’s greatest soldiers—still lives and is stronger than ever it was.

I had occasions to put to the test the valour of the Irishmen serving in France, and, whether they were Irishmen from the North or the South, or from one party or another, they did not fail me.

Some of the hardest fighting in the terrible days that followed the last offensive of the Germans fell to the Irishmen, and some of their splendid regiments had to endure ordeals that might justly have taxed to breaking-point the capacity of the finest troops in the world.

Never once did the Irish fail me in those terrible days. On the Somme, in 1916, I saw the heroism of the Irishmen of the North and South, I arrived on the scene shortly after the death of that very gallant Irish gentleman, Major William Redmond. I saw Irishmen of the North and. the South forget their age-long differences, and fight side by side, giving their lives freely for the common cause.

In war there are times when the necessity for yielding up one’s life is the most urgent duty of the moment, and there were many such moments in our long drawn- out struggle. Those Irish heroes gave their lives freely, and, in honouring then I hope we shall not allow our grief to let us forgot our pride in the glorious heroism of these men.

They have left to those who come after a glorious heritage and an inspiration to duty that will live long after their names are forgotten. France will never forget her debt to the heroic Irish dead, and in the hearts of the French people to-day their memory lives as that of the memory of the heroes of old, preserved in the tales that the old people tell to their children and their children’s children.

I know of no better tribute to Irish valour than that paid after the armistice by one of the German High Command, whom I had known in happier days. I asked him if he could tell me when he had first noted the declining moral of his own troops, and he replied that it was after the picked troops under his command had had repeated experience of meeting the dauntless Irish troops who opposed them in the last great push that was expected to separate the British and French armies, and give the enemy their long-sought victory.

The Irishmen had endured such constant attacks that it was thought that they must be utterly demoralised, but always they seemed to find new energy with which to attack their assailants, and in the end the flower of the German Army withered and faded away as an effective force.

When the moment came for taking the offensive all along our line, it was these same worn Irish troops that we placed in the van, making call after call on their devotion, but never finding them fail us. In the critical days of the German offensive, when it was necessary that lives should be sacrificed by the thousand to slow down the rush of the enemy, in order that our harassed forces should have time to reform, it was on the Irish that we relied repeatedly to make these desperate stands, and we found them responding always.

Again and again, when the bravest were necessary to delay the enemy’s advance, it was the Irish who were ready and at all times the soldiers of Ireland fought with the rare courage and determination that has always characterised the race on the battlefield.

Some of the flower of Irish chivalry rests in the cemeteries that have been reserved in France, and the French people will always have these reminders of the debt that France owes to Irish valour. We shall always see that the graves of these heroes from across the sea are lovingly tended, and we shall try to ensure that the generations that come after us shall never forget the heroic dead of Ireland.
- See more at: ... JCHp7.dpuf
The French might never forget, but the Irish sure as fuck have. Why this statement should almost be regarded as shameful is beyond me.

Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes.

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Re: Ireland 2016 - 100 Years Independence from UK


Post by Suranis » Thu Apr 07, 2016 10:52 am

So, I should give a BOTG report.

To be fair the 1916 celebrations went off largely without incident. The interesting thing is that my mother (age 72) has done a lot of reading about the rising due to accounts filling the newspapers and whatnot, and she talked to me about it, and she, without any prompting from me came to the conclusion that it was a farce, and it was highly illegal as the men who started it did so against orders from the Irish Volunteer command. When someone at the commemoration on TV said "To fight was to win, to not fight would have been true defeat" she snorted and said "bulls**t"".

Aside from that we had an election before the Celebrations at the beginning of march and as I am typing we STILL haven't formed a government, as the 2 largest parties hate one another as they were formed out of the 2 opposing sides of the Irish Civil War. (Sinn Fein, despite stealing the name of a party that actually wanted the King of England to remain King of Ireland, were actually formed later on)

Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes.

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