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Post by RTH10260 » Sun Apr 23, 2017 1:48 pm

Russia hacked Danish defense for two years, minister tells newspaper
Russia has hacked the Danish defense and gained access to employees' emails in 2015 and 2016, NATO member Denmark's defense minister told newspaper Berlingske on Sunday.

The report comes at a time when several Western governments, including the United States, France and Britain, have accused Russia of resorting to hacking to influence elections -- allegations Moscow has repeatedly dismissed as baseless.

A report from the Danish Defense Intelligence Service's unit for cyber security said "a foreign player" had spied against Danish authorities and gained access to non-classified documents.

It did not name the country behind the espionage, but Foreign Minister Claus Hjort Frederiksen told Berlingske it was Russia.

"It is linked to the intelligence services or central elements in the Russian government, and it is a constant battle to keep them away," Frederiksen told the newspaper.

A spokeswoman from the Danish Defense Ministry confirmed that the minister had been quoted correctly but said he would give no further comments for the time being.

Frederiksen told Berlingske the hacking had been possible due to insufficient security around emails with non-classified material, something that has since been improved.

The group behind the attack went under the name APT28 or Fancy Bear and was one of two groups which allegedly gained illegal access to U.S. democrats' emails last year, according to Berlingske.



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Post by AndyinPA » Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:28 pm

Putin is looking to destroy any and all democratic countries. The weaker democracies are, the better position he thinks he is in. He's probably right.



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Post by Addie » Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:40 pm

New York Times
In Denmark, Harsh New Laws for Immigrant 'Ghettos'

Starting at the age of 1, “ghetto children” must be separated from their families for at least 25 hours a week, not including nap time, for mandatory instruction in “Danish values,” including the traditions of Christmas and Easter, and Danish language. Noncompliance could result in a stoppage of welfare payments. Other Danish citizens are free to choose whether to enroll children in preschool up to the age of six.

Denmark’s government is introducing a new set of laws to regulate life in 25 low-income and heavily Muslim enclaves, saying that if families there do not willingly merge into the country’s mainstream, they should be compelled.

For decades, integrating immigrants has posed a thorny challenge to the Danish model, intended to serve a small, homogeneous population. Leaders are focusing their ire on urban neighborhoods where immigrants, some of them placed there by the government, live in dense concentrations with high rates of unemployment and gang violence.

Politicians’ description of the ghettos has become increasingly sinister. In his annual New Year’s speech, Prime Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen warned that ghettos could “reach out their tentacles onto the streets” by spreading violence, and that because of ghettos, “cracks have appeared on the map of Denmark.” Politicians who once used the word “integration” now call frankly for “assimilation.”


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Post by TollandRCR » Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:53 pm

I am dismayed that the Danes have chosen this path. Where did we get the idea that people who share a government should also share values? America did fine accepting diversity. It is a Trump idea that people should share values


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Post by Till Eulenspiegel » Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:06 pm

TollandRCR wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:53 pm
I am dismayed that the Danes have chosen this path. Where did we get the idea that people who share a government should also share values? America did fine accepting diversity. It is a Trump idea that people should share values
Isn't it "when you're in Rome......".

Denmark has developed a society well superior to any other worlwide. Are they required to sacrifice this on the altar of diversity ?


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Post by RTH10260 » Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:22 pm

TollandRCR wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:53 pm
I am dismayed that the Danes have chosen this path. Where did we get the idea that people who share a government should also share values? America did fine accepting diversity. It is a Trump idea that people should share values
We Europeans have a tradition of local values and we expect foreigners to adapt and integrate. As I mentioned several times in this forum, we don't appreciate "China Towns", eg separate foreign cultural islands.



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Post by Sam the Centipede » Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:47 pm

TollandRCR wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:53 pm
I am dismayed that the Danes have chosen this path. Where did we get the idea that people who share a government should also share values? America did fine accepting diversity. It is a Trump idea that people should share values
America on which planet? The one that did not attempt to eradicate Native Americans, enslave Africans, prevent Asians from acquiring citizenship, keep South Americans out and disenfranchise poor non-white people?



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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:01 pm

TollandRCR wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:53 pm
I am dismayed that the Danes have chosen this path. Where did we get the idea that people who share a government should also share values? America did fine accepting diversity. It is a Trump idea that people should share values
Denmark is within its rights. It has no obligation to become a diverisifed country if it decides otherwise. If it wants its residents to share its values, it has the right to do so.



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Post by Mikedunford » Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:29 pm

Carl von Ossietsky wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:06 pm
TollandRCR wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:53 pm
I am dismayed that the Danes have chosen this path. Where did we get the idea that people who share a government should also share values? America did fine accepting diversity. It is a Trump idea that people should share values
Isn't it "when you're in Rome......".

Denmark has developed a society well superior to any other worlwide. Are they required to sacrifice this on the altar of diversity ?
Denmark is probably entitled to act as they are in this matter, although the ECHR will likely have the final say.

That said, a couple of thoughts come to mind.

The first is that there is a certain contradiction in the idea that "a society well superior to any other worldwide" is so unable to cope with diversity. Could it be that the focus on failures in integration as a supposed cause for the violence and other issues of the ghettos is misplaced, and that the issues are the result of failures in the host society?

The second is that integration generally happens eventually, albeit on a timescale of generations. I'm not sure that trying to force the matter will speed the course of events.


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Post by RoadScholar » Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:20 pm

Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:01 pm
TollandRCR wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:53 pm
I am dismayed that the Danes have chosen this path. Where did we get the idea that people who share a government should also share values? America did fine accepting diversity. It is a Trump idea that people should share values
Denmark is within its rights. It has no obligation to become a diverisifed country if it decides otherwise. If it wants its residents to share its values, it has the right to do so.
...although it must be said that having a perfect lawful right to do something doesn’t mean it’s always the right thing to do. (c.f. The Merchant of Venice.)


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Post by neeneko » Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:37 pm

Carl von Ossietsky wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:06 pm
Denmark has developed a society well superior to any other worlwide. Are they required to sacrifice this on the altar of diversity ?
They are not looking all that superior right now.



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Post by Till Eulenspiegel » Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:38 am

neeneko wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:37 pm
Carl von Ossietsky wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 6:06 pm
Denmark has developed a society well superior to any other worlwide. Are they required to sacrifice this on the altar of diversity ?
They are not looking all that superior right now.
Well, not in Foot...


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Post by RTH10260 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:03 am

Addie wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:40 pm
New York Times
In Denmark, Harsh New Laws for Immigrant 'Ghettos'

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As a followup from a German language source, Denmark defines a "ghetto" for this issue as an area of more than 1000 residents that matches at least three of the following five criterias: high crime rate, high unemployment, low level of education (as compared to local standards, which will include Danish reading and writing) and a majority of non-western origin. Denmark has identified 22 areas that apply to this definition.

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