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Post by Volkonski » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:17 pm

Her Majesty should put her foot down and refuse to meet with Trump.

May's delay over Trump visit backfires as US-EU divide grows

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... 1529522459
If Theresa May thought her favoured weapon – delay – would somehow ensure Donald Trump’s visit to the UK next month would be less controversial than if it had occurred last year, she appears to have miscalculated. Six months ago the president was plausibly an unpredictable nationalist constrained by the senior Republicans surrounding him. He had quit the UN’s climate change agreement but otherwise his foreign policy was largely a complaint that America had to pick up Europe’s tab.

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On the issue of the caging of children, May, faced with a direct question in the Commons, had no option but to condemn, even though she knew it would hardly ingratiate her with a president who bears grudges and who finds her cold. Slowly her disagreements with Trump are totting up.

On the Iranian nuclear deal, trade, recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and even on the climate change deal, the UK chose the side of Brussels rather than Washington. In the words of the Foreign Office permanent secretary, Sir Simon McDonald, “when people might have thought the UK, outside or on the way out of the EU, might have chosen Uncle Sam over Uncle Jean-Claude, we have lined up very solidly with the European side of the Atlantic.”

All these divisions have so far been managed in a low-key way, with the Foreign Office voicing regret rather than anger. But the fear for the UK is that it is not just on policy that Europe and the US are divided, but on respect for what some Europeans most cherish: the liberal world order.


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Post by RTH10260 » Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:14 pm

Volkonski wrote:
Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:17 pm
Her Majesty should put her foot down and refuse to meet with Trump.

May's delay over Trump visit backfires as US-EU divide grows

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... vide-grows :snippity: : the liberal world order.
I thought this first visit of dotus to the UK was last touted as a simple business meeting without the queen? Of course she could ask him out to a grand (re-)opening of an orphanage or foster care home if he insists... :twisted:



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Post by Kendra » Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:35 am

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/worl ... tw-nytimes
President Trump will meet Queen Elizabeth II during his long-delayed first trip to Britain next month, the United States ambassador to Britain said on Wednesday, an encounter that could reignite furor among British critics who oppose his deeply divisive policies and his polarizing personality.

The ambassador, Robert Wood Johnson, announced the planned encounter in an interview with Sky News, the British broadcaster.

He said while the details were still being worked out, they include a meeting with the monarch.

“Yes, yes, I mean, he has to see the head of state,” Mr. Johnson said. “Putting his foot on British soil, it’s Job 1, it’s very important, very symbolic. Meeting Her Majesty is the most important thing, because she’s the head of state, and from then on, it’ll be what the president wants to do.”

Mr. Trump is said to have described his mother, a native of Scotland, as a “big fan” of the queen, according to The Sunday Times of London.



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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:52 am

I hope Trump doesn't inappropriately touch Her Majesty.



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Post by Kendra » Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:04 am

Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:52 am
I hope Trump doesn't inappropriately touch Her Majesty.
Like the big handshake? Lordy, I hope there will be tapes.



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Post by Volkonski » Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:08 am

Kendra wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:04 am
Sterngard Friegen wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:52 am
I hope Trump doesn't inappropriately touch Her Majesty.
Like the big handshake? Lordy, I hope there will be tapes.
I hope that the British people rise up together and prevent Trump from getting anywhere near Her Majesty.


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Post by Kendra » Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:30 am

Will they cover his windows in black so he can't see all the protests along the way?



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Post by Flatpointhigh » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:08 pm

Kendra wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:30 am
Will they cover his windows in black so he can't see all the protests along the way?
VR Goggles showing the throngs of fans going apeshit over him.



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Post by Volkonski » Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:02 am

Trump's visit to Britain faces mass protest marches — and a giant baby blimp
Campaigners plan to ridicule the president, whose visit is deeply unpopular.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/trum ... d_nn_tw_ma
LONDON — A 20-foot-tall inflatable orange baby with the face of President Donald Trump could float over Britain’s parliament next month, one of many acts of protest planned to coincide with Trump's first visit to the U.K. since taking office.

Tens of thousands of demonstrators are expected to march in London, Scotland and elsewhere during his trip, which takes place amid a growing transatlantic trade war and global dismay at the treatment of immigrant families at the U.S. border.

Britain is keen to reinforce its special relationship with Washington as it prepares to leave the European Union, a divorce that will shape the country’s standing in the world.

But Trump's visit has already been scaled down after months of back-and-forth; the president canceled plans to open the new U.S. Embassy in January and his official state visit — opposed in a petition by at least 1.9 million Brits — appears to be on ice.
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We should crowd-source sponsoring that balloon in the next Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade. ;)


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Post by Kendra » Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:26 am

Love, love the balloon.



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Post by Sam the Centipede » Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:42 pm

From Volkonski's linked article:
Britain is keen to reinforce its special relationship with Washington as it prepares to leave the European Union, a divorce that will shape the country’s standing in the world.
The journalistic habit of using the shorthand of a country's name for its government can be misleading. The UK's RW government is clearly keen to have good relationships with the US as it stares at the impending horrors of the Brexit tarpit that it is driving their country into while seeing that other friendly countries (Australia, Canada, etc.) are more keen on their relationship with the EU than with the post-Brexit UK. But I wonder what the general UK population thinks? My guess is that they are probably fairly apathetic as they know this "special relationship" is something beloved of UK politicians but otherwise largely invisible.



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Post by RTH10260 » Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:35 pm

shocking :o
Grenfell fire risk assessor who was paid £250k for his work urged council to bury his fire risk report
Kensington and Chelsea Tenant Management Organisation wanted to hire a consultant willing to take on fire regulators

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Sunday 2 July 2017 16:48

A fire risk assessor who worked on Grenfell Tower reportedly suggested Kensington and Chelsea council could withhold a report detailing the building’s safety failings from the London Fire Brigade.

Fire consultant Carl Stokes was paid £244,318 over seven years as fire risk assessor for Kensington and Chelsea Tenant Management Organisation (KCTMO), according to documents seen by Inside Housing.

And ​Mr Stokes advised the organisation that they did not have to disclose safety risks and risk being obliged to deploy expensive “additional fire safety measures”, the Mail on Sunday reported.

A Fire Risk Assessment for Grenfell Tower submitted by Mr Stokes to KCTMO in November 2012 suggested burying the report because the London Fire Brigade “have the power to undertake an audit of the fire risk assessment to determine if it is suitable and sufficient or not.”


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/h ... 19386.html



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Post by RTH10260 » Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:42 pm

Grenfell fire brigade watch manager says he had no training in stay put

25/06/183:30 PM
BY ALEXANDER DANIEL

The first incident commander at the Grenfell Tower fire had no training in reversing the ‘stay put’ policy, or in evacuating older people, children or people with mobility issues from high-rise towers, the inquiry heard today.

First incident commander at Grenfell had no training on reversing stay put or evacuating tower blocks #ukhousing
Michael Dowden, watch manager at North Kensington fire station on the night of the fire, said he had no recollection of receiving training in reversing the stay put advice which led residents who called 999 to stay in their flats until 2.47am. The inquiry has already heard that the policy was redundant by 1.24am.

Mr Dowden, who was the first to spot the fire spreading externally and was in charge of the firefighting operation until around 2am that night, was asked by Richard Millett QC: “Did you ever receive any training in how to re-evaluate advice offered during fire survival calls throughout the incident?”

‘Stay put’ failed almost 90 minutes before Grenfell residents told to leave, says inquiry expert ‘Stay put’ failed almost 90 minutes before Grenfell residents told to leave, says inquiry expert Fire safety warnings heard at the Grenfell Inquiry were raised 15 years ago Fire safety warnings heard at the Grenfell Inquiry were raised 15 years ago The Housing Podcast: the Grenfell Inquiry – first evidence The Housing Podcast: the Grenfell Inquiry – first evidence

He replied: “Not that I can recall, no.”

The stay put policy is to advise tower block residents to remain in their flats in the event of a fire, based on the assumption that the building will resist the spread of the fire long enough for it to be contained.

The inquiry has previously heard this policy was kept in place for at least 90 minutes after it had effectively failed.

The inquiry heard that London Fire Brigade policy requires incident commanders to be able to adapt stay put strategies. One instruction read: “Incident commanders should understand when a partial or full evacuation strategy might become necessary in a residential building where a stay put policy is normally in place.”


Mr Dowden replied: “As an incident commander I cannot remember any time I have actually been on a training course that would facilitate that.”

Mr Dowden said that firefighters’ training on high-rise tower fires was often delivered theoretically because of the difficulties in carrying out practical training, such as a lack of high-rise tower blocks suitable for training exercises.



https://www.insidehousing.co.uk/news/ne ... -put-56924



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Post by RTH10260 » Mon Jun 25, 2018 2:45 pm

Grenfell fire chief admits failing to examine cladding on visit to tower year before blaze killed 72 people

A firefighter in charge of the response to the Grenfell Tower blaze has admitted failing to check the tower’s cladding on a visit to the building in 2016.

Michael Dowden, who was the watch manager with North Kensington Red Watch on 14 June last year, made the confession while giving evidence at the public inquiry into the disaster.



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Post by RTH10260 » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:40 am

Interesting side effect of the same sex marriage legislation
Heterosexual couple win civil partnership case
27 June 2018

A heterosexual couple have won their legal bid for the right to have a civil partnership instead of a marriage.

The Supreme Court unanimously ruled in favour of Rebecca Steinfeld, 37, and Charles Keidan, 41, from London.

The court said the Civil Partnership Act 2004 - which only applies to same-sex couples - is incompatible with the European Convention on Human Rights.

Ms Steinfeld said she hoped the government does the "right thing" and extends civil partnerships to all.

"We are feeling elated," she told the BBC outside court. "But at the same time we are feeling frustrated the government has wasted taxpayers' money in fighting what the judges' have called a blatant inequality."

The judgement does not oblige government to change the law, although it does make it more likely that the government will now act, the BBC's legal correspondent Clive Coleman explained.

In a civil partnership, a couple is entitled to the same legal treatment in terms of inheritance, tax, pensions and next-of-kin arrangements as marriage.

The couple, who met in 2010 and have two children, said the "legacy of marriage" which "treated women as property for centuries" was not an option for them.

"We want to raise our children as equal partners and feel that a civil partnership - a modern, symmetrical institution - sets the best example for them," they explained.


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Post by RTH10260 » Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:53 am

a late look into the darker sides of the war on terror
British spies ‘complicit in US torture’ post 9/11
Report by UK parliament’s intelligence and security committee is critical of of MI5 and MI6.

By MAGDALINE DUNCAN 6/28/18, 2:31 PM CET Updated 6/28/18, 2:56 PM CET

British intelligence agencies turned a blind eye to torture and mistreatment of detainees post 9/11, according to two reports by the U.K. parliament’s intelligence and security committee.

The ISC reports, which were commissioned after a judge-led inquiry set up by David Cameron was scrapped by the government in January 2012, said it was “beyond doubt” the U.K. knew how the U.S. mistreated some detainees.

The U.K. also suggested, planned or agreed to 28 rendition operations, in which individuals are sent to other countries for imprisonment or interrogation probably using methods that are illegal in the country doing the rendering. In three cases U.K. intelligence agencies paid or offered to pay others to conduct a rendition operation. The report said there was no understanding in government of rendition or the need for a clear policy in this area.

The report also found 13 incidents where U.K. personnel witnessed mistreatment, 128 times where officers were told by foreign liaison services about mistreatment, and 25 instances in which personnel were told by detainees that they had been mistreated. In some instances these cases were correctly investigated but the report said this was not consistent. The ISC found no evidence that British officials physically mistreated detainees themselves.



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Post by TollandRCR » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:29 pm

Volkonski wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:08 am
I hope that the British people rise up together and prevent Trump from getting anywhere near Her Majesty.
Me too.


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Post by RTH10260 » Sat Jun 30, 2018 12:49 am

Are you politically (over-)correct :?:




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Post by Volkonski » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:56 am

Update- The Trump balloon is going to float above London!
A quieter but eye-catching protest is planned by Leo Murray, 41, who received permission Thursday to fly a helium-filled blimp of Trump as a baby during the visit.

:snippity:

Permission for the blimp came from London Mayor Sadiq Khan's Greater London Authority. Khan is among a series of high-profile British figures to have publicly clashed with Trump over everything from immigration to health care.
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Volkonski wrote:
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Trump's visit to Britain faces mass protest marches — and a giant baby blimp
Campaigners plan to ridicule the president, whose visit is deeply unpopular.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/trum ... d_nn_tw_ma
LONDON — A 20-foot-tall inflatable orange baby with the face of President Donald Trump could float over Britain’s parliament next month, one of many acts of protest planned to coincide with Trump's first visit to the U.K. since taking office.

Tens of thousands of demonstrators are expected to march in London, Scotland and elsewhere during his trip, which takes place amid a growing transatlantic trade war and global dismay at the treatment of immigrant families at the U.S. border.

Britain is keen to reinforce its special relationship with Washington as it prepares to leave the European Union, a divorce that will shape the country’s standing in the world.

But Trump's visit has already been scaled down after months of back-and-forth; the president canceled plans to open the new U.S. Embassy in January and his official state visit — opposed in a petition by at least 1.9 million Brits — appears to be on ice.
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Post by TollandRCR » Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:18 am

I wonder whether parts of the Grenfell fire story might apply in some US governments. It is a horrible story of governmental incompetence.

The May government is a running disaster, and Labour seems unprepared to offer a better alternative. That is a real shame. I wish the Liberals could come to the fore.

I love the Trump baby with the mouth thst is always open, just as is that of the model.


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Post by Volkonski » Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:22 pm

UK protests are getting organized.

https://www.facebook.com/Together-Again ... 409633629/
JUL
10
Stewards' meeting - Together Against Trump demo
Tue 6:30 PM UTC+01 · 75 guests
Hamilton House
London, England, United Kingdom

JUL
12
Protest Trump at Blenheim Palace
Thu 5:30 PM UTC+01 · 2,339 guests
Main entrance to Blenhein Palace OX20 1UL

JUL
12
Trump not welcome - make noise as he arrives
Thu 5:30 PM UTC+01 · 2,395 guests
Regents park

JUL
13
Together Against Trump: national demo
Fri 2 PM UTC+01 · 23,370 guests
https://www.facebook.com/Scotland-Unite ... 203854762/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ssion=true
Campaign groups and trade unions have organised a schedule of protests to follow Donald Trump on his visit to the UK next week, including a giant angry baby balloon that will fly over Westminster from Parliament Square.

Demonstrations begin next Thursday evening at Blenheim Palace, Oxfordshire, and in Regent’s Park, London, near to where the protesters believe the president will have dinner, and then at the US ambassador’s residence, where they believe he will stay the night.

The “Trump baby” balloon is due to fly on the Friday morning, after campaigners raised £16,000 to pay for it and the London mayor, Sadiq Khan, gave permission for it to fly. “The mayor supports the right to peaceful protest and understands that this can take many different forms,” a spokesman for Khan said.

Leo Murray, an environmental campaigner behind the balloon stunt, said the idea behind the protest was to play on Trump’s psychology. “He’s a deeply insecure man, and that is the only leverage we have over him. If we want his attention, we have to do something that humiliates him.”


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Post by RTH10260 » Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:27 pm

IMHO the neighbours of the golf courses ought to fly trump-baby baloons (regular size) already now just to show their hostility and prevent a official visit to the UK having a private section attached. Fly them all along the access road etc. The Secret Service might get the message.



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Post by Addie » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:08 am

Bloomberg
Boris Johnson Resigns as U.K. Foreign Secretary

Boris Johnson has resigned as U.K. Foreign Secretary, Bloomberg News reports.

A spokesman for Downing Street said: “This afternoon, the Prime Minister accepted the resignation of Boris Johnson as Foreign Secretary. His replacement will be announced shortly. The Prime Minister thanks Boris for his work.”

Developing...


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Post by RVInit » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:13 am

Addie wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:08 am
Bloomberg
Boris Johnson Resigns as U.K. Foreign Secretary

Boris Johnson has resigned as U.K. Foreign Secretary, Bloomberg News reports.

A spokesman for Downing Street said: “This afternoon, the Prime Minister accepted the resignation of Boris Johnson as Foreign Secretary. His replacement will be announced shortly. The Prime Minister thanks Boris for his work.”

Developing...
Sounds like all the hardliners are resigning. That could be a good thing, no? If only we could get all the hardliners here in the US government to resign.


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Post by Mikedunford » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:24 am

Sounds to me like there's an increasingly leaderless ship of state drifting inexorably toward the rocks, which it is scheduled to hit in less than nine month's time.


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