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Post by Reality Check » Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:24 pm

Questions, I have questions:
  1. Who pays for the repairs?
  2. Will this be litigated?
  3. If so how long will that take?
  4. Where were the building inspectors?
  5. Who is at fault here?
  6. Does this affect buildings in the US and elsewhere or is this unique to the UK?
  7. Will PM May survive this?


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Post by RTH10260 » Mon Jun 26, 2017 8:27 pm

Reality Check wrote:Questions, I have questions:
  1. Who pays for the repairs?
  2. Will this be litigated?
  3. If so how will that take?
  4. Where were the building inspectors?
  5. Who is at fault here?
  6. Does this affect buildings in the US and elsewhere or is this unique to the UK?
  7. Will PM May survive this?
A quick opinion from the continent accross The Channel:
Litigation: no
Building inspectors: I guess yes, but they worked along the regulations that allowed this type of cladding.
Whose fault: the regulators who drafted the building codes.
Buildings elsewhere: USA not likely as this type of cladding was already forbidden. Within Europe reviews are going on, and some nations do allow the dangerous cladding to various extent, and endangered buildings have been made out. Eg in Switzerland (like in the USA) the dangerous cladding type is allowed for low buildings (iirc four stoires), with medium sized buildings (10 stories) having to have between floors also a none flamable strip as a separation to prevent fire from spreading.



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Post by Sterngard Friegen » Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:38 pm

Chilidog wrote:They need to look at what was done by the Chicago Housing Authority over the past 20 years. With the exception of some senior highrises, all the big tower style public housing has been torn down and replaced with mixed inccome/ mixed use development.
Yabbut then all the rich people could't isolate themselves in their tony sections from council estates occupants bunged up in their isolated, our of mind out of sight fire traps. They'd have to -- gasp! -- live closer to them. Arrrgh.



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Post by Sam the Centipede » Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:43 pm

RTH10260 wrote:
Reality Check wrote:Questions, I have questions:
  1. Who pays for the repairs?
  2. Will this be litigated?
  3. If so how will that take?
  4. Where were the building inspectors?
  5. Who is at fault here?
  6. Does this affect buildings in the US and elsewhere or is this unique to the UK?
  7. Will PM May survive this?
A quick opinion from the continent accross The Channel:
Litigation: no
Building inspectors: I guess yes, but they worked along the regulations that allowed this type of cladding.
Whose fault: the regulators who drafted the building codes.
Buildings elsewhere: USA not likely as this type of cladding was already forbidden. Within Europe reviews are going on, and some nations do allow the dangerous cladding to various extent, and endangered buildings have been made out. Eg in Switzerland (like in the USA) the dangerous cladding type is allowed for low buildings (iirc four stoires), with medium sized buildings (10 stories) having to have between floors also a none flamable strip as a separation to prevent fire from spreading.
From a position of ignorance, here's my two pennies worth:

Building inspectors: would there be any for renovations? I suspect it's only whoever the owners employ to look after their interests. Apparently (if I understood an article I read correctly) there are no government fire inspectors certifying non-government premises and building owners can employ anybody they choose to audit their buildings for fire safety (but please don't rely on that information being correct!).

Will Theresa May survive it? She apparently has blood on her hands according to what I read because she was Home Secretary (Minister of the Interior in other countries) which includes responsibility for fire and building safety regulations when the government was ignoring communications saying "this is horribly unsafe, it needs regulating!"

But that was party policy apparently: like Republicans, the Conservatives took the crazy views that (1) All Regulation Is Bad, and (2) The Free Market Will Fix Everything. Or, stripped down to the kernel, if poor people's safety gets in the way of profits and tax cuts, then poor people must take their chances.

As simplistic and assholish as Republicans, they had an infantile policy that any one new regulation brought in must be countered by two old regulations being repealed. Pure right wing juvenilia.

So my ill-informed guess is that the party will not be allowed by opponents or voters to forget their "fuck you" approach to safety and welfare, but blame will not attach to May personally. But that is largely because she is already severely damaged by her misjudged election and she only survives in office now because a leadership battle would be very messy and would probably lead to another general election which the Conservatives wish desperately to avoid. It seems tastelessly apposite to describe May as burnt toast.

Oh yes, paying for repairs etc.: surely the UK central government will fund this because they have systematically starved local government (which directly or indirectly owns these blocks) of finance and the Conservatives will desperately wish to avoid blame for their murderous policies and they won't mind how much of other people's money that takes!



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Post by Volkonski » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:43 am

22 Injured in Explosion on London Subway Train

http://time.com/4943109/london-parsons- ... picks=true
A homemade bomb exploded on a packed London subway train during rush hour on Friday, leaving 22 people injured, police and health officials said. None of the injured is thought to be seriously hurt.

Police say the explosion was a terrorist attack, the fifth in Britain this year. Britain's domestic spy agency is helping out in the investigation.

Police were alerted to an incident at 8:20 a.m. local time (0720GMT) after commuters reported a noise and a flash aboard the District Line train at Parsons Green station in the southwest of the city. Chaos then ensued as hundreds of people rushed to get away from danger.
And fearless leader wastes no time trying to take advantage of it. :(
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Post by kate520 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:22 am

...because while there have been many attacks in Europe, we have been absolutely savaged by terrorists here. WE MUST DO SOMETHING to make Trump look like he might be a sentient creature, living in our world and not the notsoBreitbart one. :roll: :roll: grrrrr


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Post by Kendra » Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:34 am

He's so worried about making America and Americans safe, and yet another school shooting ending in another death and he can't be bothered to even acknowledge it or look for ways to stop it from happening again?



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Post by Volkonski » Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:35 am

Trump's not going to like this.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/ ... 35786.html
The Met Police and Theresa May has responded to a tweet by President Donald Trump, rebuking his speculation. The US leader said: "Another attack in London by a loser terrorist. These are sick and demented people who were in the sights of Scotland Yard." The PM said: "I never think it's helpful for anybody to speculate on what is an ongoing investigation." The Met said his comments were "unhelpful" and "pure speculation".


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Post by Addie » Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:23 pm

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British police arrest 18-year-old man in connection with London subway attack

LONDON — Following a fast-moving investigation and manhunt, British police on Saturday morning arrested an 18-year-old man in connection with the attack on the London subway that injured at least 29 people in what police called a terrorist incident.

Authorities said the man has been arrested by Kent police in the port area of Dover on the English Channel.

Deputy Assistant Police Commissioner Neil Basu called the operation a “significant arrest.” He said the investigation is ongoing.

The man is being held for questioning under the Terrorism Act. “For strong investigative reasons we will not give any more details on the man we arrested at this stage,” Basu said.


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Post by Flatpointhigh » Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:27 pm

The Shoddycrat's comment led Daesh to claim it.



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Post by Addie » Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:28 am

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British police arrest second man in connection with London subway attack ...

The man, 21, was arrested just before midnight Saturday in West London. Police did not announce his detention until Sunday morning.

Earlier, an 18-year-old man had been arrested by Kent police in the port area of Dover on the English Channel. Police suspect he might have been seeking a boat out of England.

In addition, armed police raided and searched a house in Sunbury, west of London, on Saturday afternoon. Counterterrorism units were at the scene, and police told reporters the operation was connected to the subway explosion. ...

Home Secretary Amber Rudd told the BBC on Sunday that the second arrest suggested the attack was not the work of a “lone wolf” terrorist and implied some level of conspiracy.


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Post by Kendra » Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:51 am

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/lond ... d_nn_tw_ma
:snippity: Officials were still searching a property south of London in the county of Surrey that belongs to a couple known in the community for fostering hundreds of children since the 1970s.

The pair were given an MBE — an award bestowed by the queen to individuals for outstanding service to the community — and described as "beautiful people" by neighbors, according to NBC News' British partner ITV News.

It is unclear how the couple — or even the house being raided — may be related to the investigation. When ITV reached out to the pair the couple declined to comment. :snippity:



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Post by RTH10260 » Sun Sep 17, 2017 3:41 pm

Kendra wrote:
Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:51 am
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/lond ... d_nn_tw_ma
:snippity: Officials were still searching a property south of London in the county of Surrey that belongs to a couple known in the community for fostering hundreds of children since the 1970s.

The pair were given an MBE — an award bestowed by the queen to individuals for outstanding service to the community — and described as "beautiful people" by neighbors, according to NBC News' British partner ITV News.

It is unclear how the couple — or even the house being raided — may be related to the investigation. When ITV reached out to the pair the couple declined to comment. :snippity:
Sounds more as if one of their foster kids was a bad apple.



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Post by RTH10260 » Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:22 pm

Trump set to meet Queen in downgraded UK visit
President in London next year on working trip

Francis Elliott, Political Editor | Rhys Blakely | Valentine Low
October 12 2017, 12:01am,

President Trump will visit London during a tour of European capitals next year, but he will not get the carriage ride or round of golf at Balmoral that he is said to have asked for

President Trump is set to meet the Queen next year despite moves to downgrade his first trip to Britain as US leader from a full-blown state visit.

Diplomats are working on a “political” programme to ensure that Mr Trump does not snub London when he tours European capitals early in 2018. Under plans for the stripped-down “working visit” arranged at relatively short notice, it is understood that he could be mollified with an audience with the Queen.
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Post by Estiveo » Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:11 pm

One does hope the president can refrain from grabbing Her Majesty's royal feline.


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Post by qbawl » Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:23 pm

Estiveo wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:11 pm
One does hope the president can refrain from grabbing Her Majesty's royal feline.
I believe Her Majesty is partial to corgis.



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Post by Notorial Dissent » Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:38 am

qbawl wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:23 pm
Estiveo wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:11 pm
One does hope the president can refrain from grabbing Her Majesty's royal feline.
I believe Her Majesty is partial to corgis.
Maybe the specially trained attack Dachshunds from the Illuminati Imperial Air Force 699th Airborne Assault Dachshund Regiment, Double-0 section can be pressed in to emergency service.

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Post by maydijo » Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:21 pm

qbawl wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:23 pm
Estiveo wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:11 pm
One does hope the president can refrain from grabbing Her Majesty's royal feline.
I believe Her Majesty is partial to corgis.
For this particular visit, she's trading in the corgis for the lion on her coat of arms. She may or may not forget to feed him before introducing him to the DOTUS. She's old, after all, and rather forgetful when it comes to whether or not her lion has been fed, sonit would all be a tragic accident . . .

(Clearly this is NADT, more a fantasy. For starters, where would do even find a lion?)



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Post by Flatpointhigh » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:22 pm

Estiveo wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:11 pm
One does hope the president can refrain from grabbing Her Majesty's royal feline.
It's the Duchess of Cambridge who needs to be worried.



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Post by maydijo » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:39 pm

Flatpointhigh wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:22 pm
Estiveo wrote:
Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:11 pm
One does hope the president can refrain from grabbing Her Majesty's royal feline.
It's the Duchess of Cambridge who needs to be worried.
What's the guess in the photos she's pictured holding a giant-ass purse in front of her?

With a bit of luck, the visit will coincide with her maternity leave so she'll be able to get out of it. Megan and Harry won't be married by then, so she'll be safe too. Should Camille be worried?



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Post by Foggy » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:05 am

Met a nice couple from the UK yesterday at the State Fair, we discussed Trump of course (I'm working in the NC Democratic Party booth today, tomorrow and Thursday too). The lady said "We have our troubles too, like Brexit." I said, "We'll trade you for Teresa May."


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Post by RTH10260 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:28 pm

You can now visit the Roman temple of Mithras under a London skyscraper

Jen Mills for Metro.co.uk
Thursday 9 Nov 2017 6:14 pm

The temple restored where it was originally discovered (Picture: Getty)

It doesn’t look much like it when you walk past the Bloomberg skyscraper in the City, but you’re actually right next to an ancient piece of Rome. The temple of Mithras has been restored to its original location, right underneath the steel and glass. It was discovered by accident in 1954 on a World War II bomb site, and then taken apart and moved – once even being displayed on a car park roof. But history lovers can now visit it where it originally stood, as it has been reinstalled seven metres below the ground. It looks just as it did when it was discovered, with the addition of special lighting and audio to make the experience more evocative.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/11/09/you-can-n ... r-7067630/



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Post by RTH10260 » Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:41 am

Grenfell fire death toll rises as police give final figure

ByCatherine Hardy last updated: 16/11/2017

70 people have now been formally identified as having died as a result of the fire at Grenfell Tower in London last June.

A stillborn infant, Baby Logan, has also been recorded as a victim.

On Tuesday, the identities of the last two people were confirmed.

All those identified have been reported missing since the blaze on Wednesday 14th of June. Police anticipated their remains would be recovered from the building.

Is this the final figure? Yes. Officers now think all those who died in the fire have been recovered and identified.

Based on all the work carried out so far, officers say it is highly unlikely there is anyone who remains inside Grenfell Tower.[

http://www.euronews.com/2017/11/16/gren ... ound/quote]



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Post by RTH10260 » Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:07 pm

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Britain to pay EU bills for decades
May agrees deal worth up to €50 billion

Bruno Waterfield, Brussels | Oliver Wright, Policy Editor | Sam Coates, Deputy Political Editor
November 29 2017, 12:01am, The Times

Britain will pay EU bills for decades after the government bowed to demands from Brussels to meet its long-term financial liabilities to the bloc.

Theresa May will make an improved offer next week in which she will promise to pay the costs of all existing EU projects and pensions signed off while Britain was a member.

The cost, likely to be between €40 billion and €50 billion in total, will not be settled as a lump sum but will be spread over a period of up to 40 years on a diminishing scale “when they [the bills] fall due”.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news ... -cqmx6n8bk



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Post by RTH10260 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:18 am

Tony Blair ‘warned Trump’ that UK may have spied on him

● New book claims former PM was angling for job ● President ‘horrified’ at own election victory

Rhys Blakely | Boer Deng, Washington
January 4 2018, 9:00am, The Times

Tony Blair warned Donald Trump’s aides that British intelligence may have spied on them during the election, according to an explosive new book.

The former prime minister met Jared Kushner, son-in-law to Donald Trump and a senior aide, at the White House last February.

According to the author Michael Wolff, Mr Blair shared a “juicy rumour” during their meeting — “that the British had had the Trump campaign staff under surveillance, monitoring its telephone calls and other communications and possibly even Trump himself”.

The claim is made in Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House, which draws on 200 interviews with Mr Trump’s circle and the president himself.



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