Flying the unfriendly skies

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Post by Maybenaut » Thu Mar 28, 2019 6:41 pm

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Another airline shuts down suddenly.
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Icelandic budget airline WOW Air ceases operations, stranding passengers across two continents. https://abcn.ws/2FykYAQ
That happened to me once. I was flying from Anchorage, AK to Kodiak. Weather can close the Kodiak airport for days on end, so there were a lot of folks trying to get home who had been waiting around because of the weather. Then the airline failed. Some other airlines who didn't normally fly into Kodiak stepped in to pick up the slack, but it was a cluster.
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Post by AndyinPA » Fri Mar 29, 2019 11:06 am

In addition to the Viking feeds, I'm on several Iceland feeds on FB. This is causing major issues for a lot of people stranded in Iceland and other places, not to mention people who had reservations here in the states and other places to Iceland. WOW has been pulling out of airports here for months, so this should have been an easy one to see coming.

The first lesson you have to learn if you want to travel is that you have to roll with the punches. That's true if it's on a ship, on a flight or in an airport, on a train, or even with a rental car. We've had issues with all of them. The alternative is to stay home.

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Post by Volkonski » Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:02 pm

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FAA: Boeing 737 MAX planes to stay grounded @DrewGriffinCNN reports @TheLeadCNN https://cnn.it/2OFbmIB
Software update will be delayed for "weeks".
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Post by Volkonski » Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:33 pm

Southwest Airlines Is Canceling 150 Flights a Day Because Of the 737 MAX. Passengers Have Had Enough

https://www.inc.com/chris-matyszczyk/so ... nough.html
Southwest Airlines, which already had 34 of the planes in service, is the most affected.
Now that the MAX may be be out of service for a considerable part of the year
, the cancellations at Southwest have mounted.

In the middle of it all are passengers.

On social media, they've become increasingly vocal and angry about what they see are unreasonable cancellations.
American Airlines has 24 737 MAX planes and is cancelling 90 flights a day.
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Post by Volkonski » Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:46 pm

American Airlines extends flight cancellations through June 5 as Boeing 737 Max remains grounded

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/07/america ... une-5.html
Boeing is working to fix software shortcomings on the planes after two fatal crashes and an international probe. It announced Friday it plans to cut production of the 737 Max beginning in Mid-April.

American flies 24 of the 737 Max planes and said it is awaiting information from U.S. regulatory bodies. Customers affected by the cancellations will be contacted by American representatives with available re-bookings.

"We know these cancellations and changes may affect some of our customers, and we are working to limit the impact to the smallest number of customers," the company said in a statement to CNBC.
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Post by RTH10260 » Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:27 pm

Note:

43 companies worldwide with over 370 delivered 737MAX, this whole fleet grounded.

Source: List of Boeing 737 MAX orders and deliveries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_B ... deliveries


When will the Boeing company hit rock ground?

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Post by Lani » Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:39 am

American Airlines cancellations reach into June because of 737 Max grounding
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/04/07/busi ... index.html

I'm flying AA in mid June and am keeping a close eye on this.
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Post by ZekeB » Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:04 am

It's not going to be only the software, it's going to be the redundancy of the system. If this $80,000 "option" is only a software upgrade, no problem. If they have to do some hardware mods to install it, that will take more time.
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Post by RTH10260 » Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:21 pm

India: Indigo flight under attack of mosquitoes




a year ago:
Bengaluru Doctor Complained About Mosquitoes, Removed From IndiGo Flight


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Post by Volkonski » Sat Apr 13, 2019 12:20 pm

Southwest Airlines plans for a summer without the 737 Max

https://fox2now.com/2019/04/12/southwes ... e-737-max/
The airline said Thursday that it was extending changes to its flight schedule to account for the grounded aircraft’s absence. Southwest last month modified its timetable up to June 7, but will now further tweak it through August 5.

The move aims to “reduce the amount of last-minute flight changes” and bolster schedule reliability, Tom Nealon, the airline’s president, said in a statement.

“While the timing for the return to service of the MAX remains unclear, what is very clear is our commitment to operate a reliable schedule,” he added.
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Post by Volkonski » Sun Apr 14, 2019 12:15 pm

American Airlines cancels all 737 Max flights through August 19

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/14/america ... ummer.html
American Airlines is extending cancellations for the Boeing 737 Max aircraft through August 19, a key summer travel period, as the jets remain grounded.

The cancellations amount to about 115 flights per day, roughly 1.5% of American’s total flying per day in the summer, the airline said. They come after the Max’s anti-stall software was implicated in an Ethiopian crash in March that killed 157 people.

It’s unclear when the Max, which has been grounded since mid-March, will return. Boeing has slowed production and stopped deliveries as it works on a software fix.

On Friday, Southwest Airlines removed the Max jet from its schedule through Aug. 5. United has canceled Max flights through June 5.
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Post by AndyinPA » Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:13 pm

https://act.demandprogress.org/sign/tel ... 6%2E4jqIM3
Air travel is already fraught with ineffective and invasive breaches of our personal privacy. But now the airlines themselves have gone even further with cameras and microphones pointed at passengers as they watch movies, eat snacks, or just sleep.

And the implications of in-flight cameras are even bigger than the discomfort of the airline watching you sleep on a red-eye. It’s still unknown to what extent the federal government could be able to acquire that data, without a warrant or probable cause, or process the camera footage through faulty facial recognition programs that misidentify women and people of color.

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Post by RTH10260 » Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:29 pm

from https://simpleflying.com/american-airlines-ife-cameras/
Business Insider obtained this statement from American Airline: “Cameras are a standard feature on many in-flight entertainment systems used by multiple airlines. Manufacturers of those systems have included cameras for possible future uses such as seat-to-seat video conferencing. While these cameras are present on some American Airlines in-flight entertainment systems as delivered from the manufacturer, they have never been activated and American is not considering using them.”
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Post by Grumpy Old Guy » Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:10 pm

A new airline casualty, India's Jet Airways.

India's Jet Airways collapses as banks pull the plug

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/17/business ... index.html

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Post by Lani » Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:48 am

I've read a few comments about problems with another Boeing plane. Now it's getting some serious press.

Claims of Shoddy Production Draw Scrutiny to a Second Boeing Jet
Workers at a 787 Dreamliner plant in South Carolina have complained of defective manufacturing, debris left on planes and pressure to not report violations.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/20/busi ... blems.html
Complaints about the frenzied pace echo broader concerns about the company in the wake of two deadly crashes involving another jet, the 737 Max. Boeing is now facing questions about whether the race to get the Max done, and catch up to its rival Airbus, led it to miss safety risks in the design, like an anti-stall system that played a role in both crashes.

Safety lapses at the North Charleston plant have drawn the scrutiny of airlines and regulators. Qatar Airways stopped accepting planes from the factory after manufacturing mishaps damaged jets and delayed deliveries. Workers have filed nearly a dozen whistle-blower claims and safety complaints with federal regulators, describing issues like defective manufacturing, debris left on planes and pressure to not report violations. Others have sued Boeing, saying they were retaliated against for flagging manufacturing mistakes.
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Faulty parts have been installed in planes. Tools and metal shavings have routinely been left inside jets, often near electrical systems. Aircraft have taken test flights with debris in an engine and a tail, risking failure.

On several planes, John Barnett, a former quality manager who worked at Boeing for nearly three decades and retired in 2017, discovered clusters of metal slivers hanging over the wiring that commands the flight controls. If the sharp metal pieces — produced when fasteners were fitted into nuts — penetrate the wires, he said, it could be “catastrophic.”
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Post by Volkonski » Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:18 am

Shanahan will convince Trump to get the FAA to give Boeing a pass. :madguy:
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Post by RTH10260 » Sun Apr 21, 2019 11:57 am

Volkonski wrote:
Sun Apr 21, 2019 9:18 am
Shanahan will convince Trump to get the FAA to give Boeing a pass. :madguy:
But what will the insurance companies tell Boeing?

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Post by RTH10260 » Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:29 pm

United, Delta, And American Airlines Cover Creepy Cameras On Seatback Screens Following Outcry
United Airlines and Delta have covered the cameras on their entertainment systems after passenger outcry over privacy concerns. American Airlines said plans to do the same.

Nicole Nguyen BuzzFeed News Reporter
Last updated on April 29, 2019, at 1:28 p.m. ET
Posted on April 26, 2019, at 4:28 p.m. ET

After passenger outrage over privacy concerns, United, Delta, And American Airlines are covering the cameras in their seatback entertainment systems, BuzzFeed News has learned.

United Airlines has covered all the cameras in entertainment systems embedded in the backs of the airline's premium seats, BuzzFeed News learned on Friday.

A United Airlines spokesperson said in a statement: “As with many other airlines, some of our premium seats have in-flight entertainment systems that came with cameras installed by the manufacturer. None of these cameras were ever activated and we had no plans to use them in the future, however we took the additional step to cover the cameras. The cameras are a standard feature that manufacturers of the system included for possible future purposes such as video conferencing." United will continue to cover the cameras as it adds premium seats on additional aircraft, the spokesperson said.

A Delta spokesperson said on Monday that the airline has also added covers on all the cameras "as a visible way to reassure customers," and re-iterated that Delta has no plans to install the software necessary to use them.

On Monday, a representative for American Airlines told BuzzFeed News the company "will be installing covers over the cameras" as well, and that the cameras "have always, and continue to be, de-activated."


https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ni ... ck-cameras

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Post by tek » Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:32 pm

"have always, and continue to be, de-activated."
Until we can figure out how to monetize them.

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Post by RTH10260 » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:32 pm

tek wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:32 pm
"have always, and continue to be, de-activated."
Until we can figure out how to monetize them.

Bite me.
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Post by RoadScholar » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:42 pm

For skyping in the sky?
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Post by Somerset » Wed May 01, 2019 12:14 am

tek wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:32 pm
"have always, and continue to be, de-activated."
Until we can figure out how to monetize them.

Bite me.
I think this whole thing might be a tempest in a teapot. My guess is that these were designed a few years ago when in-flight telephone service (at several dollars/minute) was a common amenity on international flights. Simple VGA camera modules were coming down in price quickly, and I wouldn't be surprised if companies like Thales and Rockwell Collins thought this would be a low-cost feature that would have good appeal. Now that WiFi is available on many flights and in-flight telephone calls are a no-no, this feature isn't attractive anymore.

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Post by Volkonski » Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:07 am

For the last 2 days those of us who follow biologist PZ Myers on Twitter have followed his airline misadventure in real time. Now he has written about it after finally getting home.

My American Airlines adventure

https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula ... adventure/
Unfortunately, American Airlines abruptly cancelled my Roanoke flight half an hour before departure time. They can do this. I can understand how mechanical problems or weather issues mean that transportation plans can go awry. What I don’t understand is how the airlines can be so poorly prepared for the inevitable chaos their willingness to disrupt the travel plans of a few hundred people. They had no backup plan in place, other than to tell everyone to figure it out for themselves.

They were willing to dump all these people onto a market that, by design, was saturated — they’d squeeze us one by one onto any open seats that might be available, never mind that they had just made hundreds of seats vanish. They were not going to reschedule the plane, they were going to reschedule us, and damn our constraints. So I was told that the next earliest available seat was two days away. Are you going to cover my hotel costs for two nights, I asked? Oh no, they bear absolutely no responsibility for that. Not that I wanted to stay an extra two days.

We made a ridiculous compromise that would cost American Airlines nothing. They would let me fly from Charlotte to Minneapolis the next day, 24 hours after my scheduled departure. All I had to do was rent a car (would they pay for that? Don’t be absurd) and drive to Charlotte. That’s their backup plan for failure to meet a commitment: their ‘passengers’ will drive themselves at their own expense to a different airport.

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We’re dumped into the gate area of an empty airport. We get an occasional announcement that they just have to find a replacement part, then that they think they can build a replacement part, then that they’ll get us a new plane. The electronic departure time begins its incremental flight forward through time again. We wait. We’re going to get out of here at 1am. At 1:10am. At 1:30am. At 1:45am. At 2am. Then, the clock surrenders. 9:00am departure time, it declares. Hundreds of people groan simultaneously. There are no further announcements from American Airlines. They have decreed what reality is, and they are done. AA has washed their hands of us.
Meanwhile his wife who had driven 3 hours to pick him up at Minneapolis had to wait overnight at that airport.
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Post by Flatpointhigh » Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:10 am

that is why I take the train. may take a day and a half, but I know it will arrive. and I will not be stressed out.

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Post by RTH10260 » Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:27 am

Volkonski wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:07 am
For the last 2 days those of us who follow biologist PZ Myers on Twitter have followed his airline misadventure in real time. Now he has written about it after finally getting home.

My American Airlines adventure

https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula ... adventure/

:snippity:
Meanwhile his wife who had driven 3 hours to pick him up at Minneapolis had to wait overnight at that airport.
The US is missing some serious EU airliner regulations. After a two hour wait a drink coupon is mandatory, followed up by a meal coupon later and hotel accomodations. Plus financial relief for time lost, now that's some incentives to get things back on track. Yes, airline companies will still try and squirm around, especially making it difficult to access the refunds, consumer groups have been giving guidelines as how to slap their wrists.

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