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I had measles and I very kindly gave it to my l'il brother and l'il sister. I brought it home from kindergarten. I had a very high fever of 106 F and I was delirious for a couple of days. What I remember is falling asleep on Thursday and not waking up until Saturday. I guess that was the sickest I've been in my life.

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Remember Chicken Pox Parties... in the days before the vaccines weren't available?
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I remember people having them maybe 20 or 25 years ago, but remember I'm the fortunate (or unfortunate) person who never got them despite being exposed quite a few times.

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It was BV - before vaccines.
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I remember having the measles. As I began to recover, I was so bored, and the room was being kept dark, So I went under the covers with a flashlight and book.



And that probably was why shortly after that I had to wear glasses.

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Measles Outbreak Spreading In California


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A measles outbreak linked to Disneyland has nearly doubled in size since last week with 45 reported cases in California and more illnesses confirmed in at least three other states and Mexico, health officials say.

Orange County, Disneyland's home, has the largest cluster of confirmed measles cases at 16, according to that county's health department. In people with the serious yet preventable virus, symptoms include fever, dry cough, runny nose, watery eyes and a signature rash. People can spread the illness up to four days before the rash appears.











The initial "outbreak exposure period" has been pegged to Dec. 17 to 20 at Disneyland, say California health officials. Mexican officials have confirmed one measles case in a 22-month-old, unvaccinated girl who visited the theme park Dec. 16 to 18. In Utah, there are two cases. Washington has two cases, and Colorado has one. In total, there are 51 confirmed cases, the Los Angeles Times reported.

Measles can lead to blindness and encephalitis, an infection of the brain. Children are typically immunized with a first dose of vaccine at 12 to 16 months and a second at 4- to 6-years-old. A significant number of Americans have opted out of getting vaccina ...

And to think that developing countries have better immunization rates...
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Here is an article that no doubt has the Disney PR folks in a tizzy. The source of the article is AP so it has spread across the Internet already.





It may be the happiest place on Earth, but [hlyellow]California health officials are warning people to stay away from Disneyland unless they're vaccinated[/hlyellow].

That means all babies under the age of 1, who are too young to get the vaccine, and people who for various other reasons have not been immunized or who haven't already had measles.

"People ask whether it is safe to visit venues where measles has been identified and may be circulating. The answer is yes, considering you have been fully vaccinated," Dr. Gil Chavez, state epidemiologist for California, told reporters. "Parents of infants may consider staying away."

The highly contagious and potentially deadly virus has already infected at least 70 people in six states and in Mexico. And given that people from all over the world visit Disneyland, it's almost certain there will be many more cases in more places. The latest new case: an Arizona woman in her 50s who visited the theme park in December.



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Five park employees are among the cases, and Disney is watching about 100 other employees who worked closely with them.





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Methinks Disney might want to ensure all their employees are vaccinated.



Just think what could have happened if we had Typhoid Taitz wandering around Disneyland. :shock: :shock: :-? ;)
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Ebola Vaccine Shipped to Liberia...



Nice to have a vaccine all dolled up in a jiffy......... With all the time we have been working on the HIV/AIDS pandemeic, I would have thought that millions dying would have been an incentive to find an effective vaccine.







* First 300 vials to be used to start large Liberian trial

* Epidemic appears to be waning, according to WHO

* Drugs, vaccines still needed for this and future outbreaks (Adds comment from director of Wellcome Trust, bullets)

By Kate Kelland

LONDON, Jan 23 (Reuters) - The first batch of GlaxoSmithKline's experimental Ebola vaccine has been dispatched to West Africa and is expected to arrive in Liberia later on Friday, the British drugmaker said.

The World Health Organization said on Thursday the Ebola outbreak in West Africa, the worst in history, appears to be waning but cautioned against complacency. The epidemic has seen 21,724 cases reported in nine countries since it started in Guinea a year ago. Some 8,641 people have died.

The shipment of an initial 300 vials of GSK vaccine will be the first to arrive in one of the three main Ebola-affected African countries, the company said in a statement.

It will be used in the first large-scale vaccine trials in coming weeks, in which healthcare workers helping to care for Ebola patients will be among the first to ge...

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Data on the right hand side are for 2010.http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherp ... our-world/
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The tale of the tape...
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Ugh, the anti-vaxxers are going to love this. A Norwegian court has found in favour of a plantiff, who argued that the MMR vaccine he recieved as a child, caused his MS. The state argued that he already showed symptoms of MS before he recieved the vaccine, but the court found that the state failed to prove that the MS hadn't been caused by the MMR vaccine. And since this is the highest instance ruling on the case, it's final.

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Because of the continuing spread of measles in the west :( there are many new articles today. Too many to quote productively here. A list of articles on Google News is here-



http://news.google.com/news/rtc?ncl=dTQ ... =0&topic=m
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There's a run on vaccines at the moment. Folks have even been seeking vaccine from anti-vax doctors.
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I clicked through to that article at Reddit and ran it through google translate. I still don't get it. :-?



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I clicked through to that article at Reddit and ran it through google translate. I still don't get it. :-? https://translate.google.com/translate? ... it-text=He won a court case in Norway where the judge said his vaccinations caused his MS. The translation didn't make any sense to me either but I saw the article on some American website earlier this week.

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What I got from it was that because

1 - he claimed the MMR vaccine had caused his MS,

2 - the defense was unable to show he'd had any symptoms of MS prior to the vaccine, and

3 - the defense was unable to prove that anything *other* than the vaccine had caused it,

the court held that the vaccine was the culprit and thus he was due damages for his illness.

I didn't see anything in there indicating that anyone - including the plaintiff - had shown that the MMR vaccine was capable of causing or contributing to someone developing MS, so I don't know if that was even a consideration.
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What I got from it was that because1 - he claimed the MMR vaccine had caused his MS,2 - the defense was unable to show he'd had any symptoms of MS prior to the vaccine, and3 - the defense was unable to prove that anything *other* than the vaccine had caused it,the court held that the vaccine was the culprit and thus he was due damages for his illness.I didn't see anything in there indicating that anyone - including the plaintiff - had shown that the MMR vaccine was capable of causing or contributing to someone developing MS, so I don't know if that was even a consideration.Scroll back 5 or 6 posts to Roboe. I believe he's in that area of the world and is probably more familiar with the nuances of the case than I am....a plantiff, who argued that the MMR vaccine he recieved as a child, caused his MS. The state argued that he already showed symptoms of MS before he recieved the vaccine, but the court found that the state failed to prove that the MS hadn't been caused by the MMR vaccine...

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yeah, he and I are saying pretty much the same thing, unless I'm grossly misunderstanding him - I'm just being more wordy and disgusted-sounding.
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It's a legal ruling that doesn't have a real basis in the scientific community as MS has never been scientifically linked to any type of vaccine administration.

It is looking more like genetic factors predispose folks to autoimmune diseases (at least that is what my genetic testing indicates) I have Crohn's. One of the tests I took was the screening panel for Crohn's. I have 50 some markers that I share in common with lots of Iliac type of Crohn's folks. My father had MS. I carry a bunch of MS markers also, but mebbe not enough to trigger the disease as I have shown no symptoms or indicators of MS (and have tested for it).



One hypothesis on MS is that one carries the markers and something in the environment triggers it. But how the hell should I know, I just read the scientific reports/papers/data/information that explains all this.... ;)



Mebbe I should just leave it as GODDDITIT and he's pissed as me for some reason - God only knows, cause I don't.



Like what crime did I commit to deserve God screwing with my immune system??? :-? :-? :-?
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The recognized harmful effects, according to the CDC, are:




Moderate Problems

Seizure (jerking or staring) caused by fever (about 1 out of 3,000 doses)

Temporary pain and stiffness in the joints, mostly in teenage or adult women (up to 1 out of 4)

Temporary low platelet count, which can cause a bleeding disorder (about 1 out of 30,000 doses)

Severe Problems (Very Rare)

Serious allergic reaction (less than 1 out of a million doses)

Several other severe problems have been reported after a child gets MMR vaccine, including:

Deafness

Long-term seizures, coma, or lowered consciousness

Permanent brain damage

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/sid ... ts.htm#mmr


There are vaccine court findings that that add to/extend the list.

I personally know a family whose son's reaction was so severe he is now a young adult with profound brain damage. Yeah, may be rare, but not when it's your child. Their little boy was sick shortly thereafter and hospitalized and damn near died 7 days after the shot. The doctor refused to file an adverse reaction report, claiming 7 days was too late to file. By the time they realized that was wrong information, they were time barred from filing a complaint. Shit happens.

Want to stop the spread of measles? Offer concerned parents a single vaccination for measles. Let go of the the mmr or nothing. If the idea is to stop the spread of measles, do what needs to be done instead of arguing about which vaccine. I think that would make a big difference.

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One thousand people in AZ exposed to measles just in time for the Super Bowl. And just a few weeks after Obama visited. How long before this becomes a new conspiracy theory?http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/human-inte ... y-exposed/

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Lani, I'm so sorry for your experience. Lucky for your son he has a tiger mom who didn't let to.

Our pediatrician, trained as an osteopath in Germany, was often considered a bit flakey by people who believe that conventional wisdom is the only wisdom, but he taught public health at USC and was a fierce advocate for vaccination. He persuaded many, many families to vaccinate, after all.

Sprout's half brother didn't speak until he was 2, and his mom had him tested. She thought it was autism; it turned out to be lead poisoning, but until we found out I was very worried about the MMR. Dr. Fleiss ordered them as separate vaccines and we had no problems. He did get a mild case of chicken pox after the varicella shot.

One of my favorite pieces of literature on the subject of public health is Babbitt Arrowsmith by Sinclair Lewis. (Actually, my socialist heart likes all he wrote.) Wordy? Yes, but oh, what those words do all together!
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Sorry to hear about the reactions...



No one ever claimed vaccination was without risk.

It is the risk:benefit ratio. The benefits far outweigh the risks.



How would you feel to know that someone's baby died because they got close to your unvaccinated sick but not showing symptoms kid sloughing viruses into the air at K-Mart?
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<off topic>Arrowsmith won the Pulitzer Prize that year. Lewis refused it. Here is his letter explaining:I wish to acknowledge your choice of my novel Arrowsmith for the Pulitzer Prize. That prize I must refuse, and my refusal would be meaningless unless I explained the reasons.

All prizes, like all titles, are dangerous. The seekers for prizes tend to labor not for inherent excellence but for alien rewards; they tend to write this, or timorously to avoid writing that, in order to tickle the prejudices of a haphazard committee. And the Pulitzer Prize for Novels is peculiarly objectionable because the terms of it have been constantly and grievously misrepresented.

Those terms are that the prize shall be given "for the American novel published during the year which shall best present the wholesome atmosphere of American life, and the highest standard of American manners and manhood." This phrase, if it means anything whatsoever, would appear to mean that the appraisal of the novels shall be made not according to their actual literary merit but in obedience to whatever code of Good Form may chance to be popular at the moment."



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