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Post by AndyinPA » Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:49 pm

Car makers see the writing on the wall.

https://thinkprogress.org/gm-future-is- ... 130e8f9a1/
“General Motors believes in an all-electric future,” Mark Reuss, GM’s head of global product development, announced in a corporate press release Monday.

These are remarkable words for a company that has become a global behemoth over the past century by making and selling tens of millions of cars, SUVs, and light trucks that run on liquid fossil fuels. When you add in plans from huge, fast-growing markets like China and India to quickly shift to EVs and end the sale of petrol cars, it’s clear that upending the car market will also upend the oil market.



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Post by Volkonski » Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:37 pm

New science suggests the ocean could rise more — and faster — than we thought

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/ene ... 9b70648398
In one case, the research suggests that previous high end projections for sea level rise by the year 2100 — a little over three feet — could be too low, substituting numbers as high as six feet at the extreme if the world continues to burn large volumes of fossil fuels throughout the century.

“We have the potential to have much more sea level rise under high emissions scenarios,” said Alexander Nauels, a researcher at the University of Melbourne in Australia who led one of the three studies. His work, co-authored with researchers at institutions in Austria, Switzerland, and Germany, was published Thursday in Environmental Research Letters.

:snippity:

Droxler thinks the reef structures suggest eras when sea level was rising by tens of millimeters annually, far beyond the current, roughly 3 millimeters per year. (A 50 millimeter annual sea level rise would produce a meter, or over 3 feet, of rise every 20 years.) The new study therefore concludes that during the last ice age, there were multiple bursts of fast sea level rise — and implies that our future could hold something similar.

“The steady and gradual sea-level rise, observed over the past two centuries [may] not be a complete characterization of how sea level would rise in the future,” the study concludes.


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Post by RTH10260 » Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:43 pm

Volkonski wrote:
Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:37 pm
New science suggests the ocean could rise more — and faster — than we thought

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/ene ... 9b70648398

:snippity:
Just waiting for Mar-A-Lago to become gator territory :twisted:



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Re: Climate Change

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Post by RoadScholar » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:20 pm

RTH10260 wrote:
Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:43 pm
Volkonski wrote:
Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:37 pm
New science suggests the ocean could rise more — and faster — than we thought
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/ene ... 9b70648398
:snippity:
Just waiting for Mar-A-Lago to become gator territory :twisted:
It already is; they just walk on two legs and play golf.


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Post by Fortinbras » Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:55 am

Trump's EPA says do not worry about the sea level rising, the extra water will just slosh over the edge.



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Post by RTH10260 » Sun Oct 29, 2017 5:46 am

RoadScholar wrote:
Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:20 pm
RTH10260 wrote:
Sat Oct 28, 2017 6:43 pm
Volkonski wrote:
Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:37 pm
New science suggests the ocean could rise more — and faster — than we thought
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/ene ... 9b70648398
:snippity:
Just waiting for Mar-A-Lago to become gator territory :twisted:
It already is; they just walk on two legs and play golf.
Dang - you must believe in Evolution ;)



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Post by Volkonski » Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:40 am



Osaka, Japan
5.2 million people affected

Alexandria, Egypt
3 million people affected

Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
1.8 million people affected

Shanghai, China
17.5 million people affected

Miami, US
2.7 million people affected
Few other cities in the world have as much to lose from rising sea levels as Miami, and the alarm bells sound ever louder with each successive “king tide” that overwhelms coastal defenses and sends knee-deep seawater coursing through downtown streets.

Locals consider this the “new normal” in the biggest city of Florida’s largest metropolitan area, which would simply cease to exist with a 3C temperature rise. Even at 2C, forecasts show almost the entire bottom third of Florida – the area south of Lake Okeechobee currently home to more than 7 million people - submerged, with grim projections for the rest of the state in a little more than half a century. In Miami-Dade county alone, almost $15bn of coastal property is at risk of flooding in just the next 15 years.

A sense of urgency is evident at city hall, where commissioners are asking voters to approve a “Miami Forever” bond in the November ballot that includes $192m for upgrading pump stations, improving drainage and raising sea walls.

“We have a really precious city that many people love and are willing to invest in right now, but it’s going to take some funds to protect it,” said Ken Russell, the city commission’s vice-chair.
Hong Kong
8.5 million people affected

The Hague
2.5 million people affected


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Post by RVInit » Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:02 am

No, money is not going to "save" anyone from climate change.


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Post by Foggy » Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:41 am

RVInit wrote:
Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:02 am
No, money is not going to "save" anyone from climate change.
:yeah:


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Post by RVInit » Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:51 pm

The Trump administration just debunked its own lies about climate change
On Friday, the Trump administration released the congressionally mandated National Climate Assessment, the “authoritative assessment of the science of climate change, with a focus on the United States,” as the report states.

What’s so stunning about the 600-page report, the work of scientists from 13 federal agencies, is that the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy (OSTP) oversaw the final review and clearance process of the report — and yet the report details just how dangerous the Trump administration’s policy of climate science denial is to Americans.

The National Climate Assessment (NCA) projects a devastated America — widespread Dust-Bowlification, 18°F Arctic warming, sea levels rising a foot a decade — on our current path of unrestricted carbon pollution. The report makes clear just how grave a threat are Trump’s plans to abandon the Paris climate deal, undo Obama-era climate rules, and boost carbon pollution.

Indeed, the report explicitly states that if governments don’t meet their Paris targets, and then go beyond them, catastrophic impacts would be inevitable.
more...

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-nationa ... 0781f7a9a/


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Post by Addie » Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:40 pm

WaPo: Trump administration releases report finding ‘no convincing alternative explanation’ for climate change
Bloomberg: Trump Administration Issues Report Confirming Global Warming



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Post by AndyinPA » Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:44 am

I guess we are exceptional. :crying:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 41996.html
Syria has signed the Paris climate agreement, leaving the US as the only country in the world not signed up to the framework to deal with greenhouse gas emissions.

When President Donald Trump announced he intended to pull the US out of the agreement, it initially meant America would join Nicaragua and Syria on a small list of countries who were not part of the deal.
Nicaragua had been the other holdout, but has also recently signed.



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Post by Mikedunford » Tue Nov 07, 2017 11:10 am

Yeah, but what are the odds that the other two would have signed without Trump's leadership?


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Post by RVInit » Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:43 pm

Holy Cow!
French President Emmanuel Macron will award U.S. climate scientists with grants to conduct research in France for the remainder of President Trump’s current presidential term.

The “Make Our Planet Great Again” grants, totaling about $70 million, will be given to about 50 climate research projects, ABC News reported.

The Monday awards ceremony comes the day before the United Nations and World Bank’s “One Planet Summit,” a climate event focused on the Paris Accord. Trump was not invited to the summit, according to ABC.

Macron has been especially critical of Trump’s decision to pull out of the accord, saying in November that France would cover the U.S. share of funding for a U.N. climate change panel.

The grants will allow researchers to relocate to France and will last through the remainder of Trump’s current term.
more

http://thehill.com/news-by-subject/ener ... our-planet


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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:48 pm

RVInit wrote:
Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:43 pm
Holy Cow!
French President Emmanuel Macron will award U.S. climate scientists with grants to conduct research in France for the remainder of President Trump’s current presidential term.

The “Make Our Planet Great Again” grants, totaling about $70 million, will be given to about 50 climate research projects, ABC News reported.

The Monday awards ceremony comes the day before the United Nations and World Bank’s “One Planet Summit,” a climate event focused on the Paris Accord. Trump was not invited to the summit, according to ABC.

Macron has been especially critical of Trump’s decision to pull out of the accord, saying in November that France would cover the U.S. share of funding for a U.N. climate change panel.

The grants will allow researchers to relocate to France and will last through the remainder of Trump’s current term.
more

http://thehill.com/news-by-subject/ener ... our-planet
Wow! Why did I have to go to LAW school? :crying:


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Post by RVInit » Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:08 pm

A 4-minute video about the oceans and climate change.



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Post by Volkonski » Mon Jan 01, 2018 12:48 pm

It’s Maine Shrimp Season, Without the Shrimp

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/26/dini ... .html?_r=0
So far, according to scientists who survey the Gulf of Maine annually, it hasn’t. Their most recent data show Northern shrimp numbers at a historic low for the 34 years in which they have been counting the crustacean, Pandalus borealis. Egg production is down. Survival rates for larvae are poor.

Last month, regulators voted to keep the fishery closed again through 2018, the fifth consecutive year without a shrimp harvest. That means no shrimping for the Libbys or the hundreds of other Maine fishermen who have long relied on it as a sweet paycheck (and meal) in the dark of winter.

What makes this an unusual closing is that fishermen are not being blamed for the immediate problem. Cod was overfished. Sea urchins were overfished, as Maine shrimp were in the late 1960s and ‘70s, But the most widely accepted theory for the rapid decline of this species, which extends no farther south than the Gulf of Maine, is the same force being blamed for disruption of fisheries around the globe: climate change.

While summer swimmers may still gasp with shock on entering Maine’s chilly waters, the Gulf of Maine is warming, and becoming increasingly inhospitable to the shrimp. Average winter sea-surface temperatures have increased 4.5 degrees in Boothbay Harbor since 1906.
Growing up in Massachusetts in the 1950's I ate quite a few shrimp salad sandwiches made from canned Maine shrimp. It must have been relatively inexpensive then since our family was eating it. ;)

Just as the article says that shrimp is more flavorful than Gulf Coast shrimp. Haven't had any in decades. Seems I never will again. :(


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Post by AndyinPA » Mon Jan 01, 2018 1:26 pm

I think I've read this about lobster, too. :(

And I have to say East Coast lobster, shrimp, and blue crab are all the best of the bunch! :-D



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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Fri Jan 05, 2018 12:34 pm

https://secondnexus.com/news/climate-pa ... e1e08be610
Former Climate Science Panel Disbanded by Trump to Continue Work at Columbia University
Their important work will continue.


Last year, the Trump administration disbanded a federal climate change advisory committee. President Donald Trump makes no attempt to hide his disbelief in the science of climate change. A report from June had him Tweeting about it 115 times.

Despite disbelief at the highest levels of the current US government, the scientists on the panel remain undeterred. Their research continues elsewhere.

Columbia University’s Earth Institute hired one of the committee’s researchers, Richard Moss of the University of Maryland. Moss plans to reconvene most of the former panel members and produce the same report.

The panel will produce the report, an addendum to the quadrennial National Climate Assessment, that focuses on local impacts of a warming world. The panel expects to receive some financial assistance from New York State and administrative support from the American Meteorological Society. The report will be available for public and peer review in June.


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Post by Tiredretiredlawyer » Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:44 pm

Update on the above article.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 65011.html
Exiled by Trump, climate scientists lead the resistance against the denier-in-chief

[W]hile the Trump administration is essentially exiling scientists, those being pushed out are adding to the resistance.

“I’m finding now that I have a much greater voice,” Mr Clement, who has worked privately to address climate change since his resignation, and who was invited to the Bonn Climate Conference last year after his resignation, said.

When he went to Bonn, he said that he was surprised to see a massive presence from the United States – just not from the federal government. States and cities had rented out a massive space for demonstrations, and the rest of the world took notice. And, on an even smaller scale in the US, Mr Trump has sparked something of an awakening to climate change, he said. "I think the Trump effect has been positive for public awareness, and public engagement on climate change,” he said.

"I suggested immediately, even as we saw the train wreck was about to occur, to members that we needed a way to continue, and many thought the same way,” Prof Moss told The Independent recalling the run up to the charter’s expiration (15-person Advisory Committee for the Sustained National Climate Assessment).“ Almost immediately, I started to talk to folks at the state level, across several different states, some not-for-profit organisations at universities, and so forth.”

“We think it’s going to to be a positive outcome in the long term,” he continued. It will be positive “even if it has some downsides now”.


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Post by AndyinPA » Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:51 pm

Well, that's a bright spot on news on the subject. Thanks for posting!



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Post by Lani » Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:41 am

The 11 cities most likely to run out of drinking water - like Cape Town

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-42982959

Not to worry - they're all non whitie euro christianist cities, so just a Chinese hoax.

Oops. London is #9.
According to the Greater London Authority, the city is pushing close to capacity and is likely to have supply problems by 2025 and "serious shortages" by 2040.
Miami is #11.
An early 20th Century project to drain nearby swamps had an unforeseen result; water from the Atlantic Ocean contaminated the Biscayne Aquifer, the city's main source of fresh water.

Although the problem was detected in the 1930s, seawater still leaks in, especially because the American city has experienced faster rates of sea level rise, with water breaching underground defence barriers installed in recent decades.

Neighbouring cities are already struggling. Hallandale Beach, which is just a few miles north of Miami, had to close six of its eight wells due to saltwater intrusion.


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Post by Lani » Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:48 am

Oh, jeeze, double-oops! How did I miss this?

#6 Moscow
One-quarter of the world's fresh water reserves are in Russia, but the country is plagued by pollution problems caused by the industrial legacy of the Soviet era.

That is specifically worrying for Moscow, where the water supply is 70% dependent on surface water.

Official regulatory bodies admit that 35% to 60% of total drinking water reserves in Russia do not meet sanitary standards.


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Post by Foggy » Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:37 am

I say we send Gavin Seim there to determine if they have a lot of freedom


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Post by Volkonski » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:17 pm


Melting ice sheets are hastening sea level rise, satellite data confirms
Research shows that pace of melting in Antarctica and Greenland has accelerated


https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... 1518525992
Melting ice sheets in Greenland and Antarctica are speeding up the already fast pace of sea level rise, new satellite data shows.

At the current rate, the world’s oceans will be on average at least 60cm (2ft) higher by the end of the century, according to research published in Monday’s Proceedings of the National Academies of Sciences.

Based on 25 years of satellite data, however, the research shows that the pace has quickened. It confirms scientists’ computer simulations and is in line with predictions from the UN, which releases regular climate change reports.

“It’s a big deal” because the projected sea level rise is a conservative estimate and it is likely to be higher, said the lead author, Steve Nerem of the University of Colorado.
The fact-based news about sea level rise is always that it is happening and quickening.


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