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Post by Addie » Sat Jun 27, 2015 8:51 pm



Inquisitr Miux By Microsoft – Why Windows 10 Maker May Release Its Own Linux OS Distro Soon Microsoft surprised the world by announcing the development and imminent launch of a Linux Operating System named Miux.Microsoft Corporation, the maker of Windows Operating System, sent shockwaves in the tech community by announcing a new Linux OS ahead of Windows 10 release. Last year, Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella had stated, “Microsoft loves Linux,” thereby raising quite a few eyebrows. As Windows OS still rules the PC market, it was unbelievable that the Redmond-based company would engage in actual development of a full-fledged Linux OS flavor, or as it is fondly referred to as “distro,” let alone release it for mainstream consumption.Nadella announced the company plans on entering into desktop Linux world at Microsoft Ignite event in Chicago. The new Linux OS distro will be called Miux (pronounced as mix), clearly suggesting a marriage between Windows and Linux.Nadella explained, “[T]his should not come as a surprise. Microsoft has always been one of the biggest contributors to Linux kernel. At Microsoft, we are trying to get rid of viruses and malware in Windows OS while Linux is struggling to get a decent share of desktop market share. I think this experiment will be a win-win for both Microsoft and Linux. Windows 10 has already taken several features from Linux, so we decided that it is time to move to next level and have a Linux distribution of own.”
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Post by ZekeB » Sat Jun 27, 2015 8:59 pm



I've never dabbled in Linux.  I've always heard rumors of program incompatibilities and lack of driver support. I might consider this as a dual boot option if they take it beyond the experimenters level. 
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Post by Addie » Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:09 pm



I'll give it a shot.
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Post by Hektor » Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:28 pm



I think that it is an April Fools joke. See http://itsfoss.com/microsoft-announces-linux-os/ 

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Post by Addie » Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:39 pm



Tricked again.
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Post by rpenner » Sun Jun 28, 2015 7:40 am



I run Linux on my Mac using Virtual Box + Vagrant, two free pieces of software. One allows definition of virtual machines, the other makes setup easier and more compatible with the way developers work on projects and allow sharing "base" machine definitions loaded with OS images. It's probably best to have a machine with plenty of RAM and CPU to simulate a Linux box. I can boot linux with 512 MB dedicated, but to run apache httpd and mysql I might want 4 GB or 8 GB on the virtual machine which means typically 16 GB RAM for the real.https://www.vagrantup.comA search utility for shared configurations: https://atlas.hashicorp.com/boxes/searc ... virtualbox

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Post by Slim Cognito » Sun Jun 28, 2015 7:55 am



I have Linux Zorin on a stick which I run off my old XP desktop.  However, there are some programs I miss and usually run XP anyway.  I also have it dual loaded on the living room XP desktop whose sole purpose is video streaming to the tv.  We don't have cable but we have subscriptions to Hulu and Netflix which mostly covers what we want to watch.  If not, we can always buy it from Amazon Instant  Video (Orphan Black) but for that I have to boot over to XP..  So, for a newbie like me using Linux for streaming video, checking email, surfing forums and Facebook, it is more than adequate.  For more complex tasks, it's a bit limiting. 
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Post by SueDB » Sun Jun 28, 2015 10:23 am



LINUX has been in development (and still is - it's the nature of the beast) for quite a long time and it still isn't ready for prime time.Sorry to say, but M$ is still the oversized/overpriced/overbearing gorilla on the block.
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Post by Addie » Sun Jun 28, 2015 10:57 am



I agree with your second statement, Sue, but not the first. I use Linux exclusively. I have six Linux distros in partitions on my machine. They are all perfectly stable, efficient to use, lovely to look at, and ready for prime time.
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Post by SueDB » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:10 am



I agree with your second statement, Sue, but not the first. I use Linux exclusively. I have six Linux distros in partitions on my machine. They are all perfectly stable, efficient to use, lovely to look at, and ready for prime time.Most folks are Windows users for a reason -  It's highly marketed with almost unlimited worldwide training available on a vast network of support to include programming etc.  And while there is a flavor of the month for Windows XP, 2000, 10 etc there are innumerable versions of LINUX (compact Unix) systems. The businesses I've dealt with may use LINUX for a terminal or something minor, but the back end has all been NT to Svr 2003 etc and MSSQL.  All the workstations were M$.  Even the specialty computers for the gambling casino table games were Windows.At least half the world's slot machines run the game on a Windows platform with a Windows Server Set back end.  The other half use a small LINUX box to run the game, but the entire back end is M$.Even the Bingo system is Windows Based (Caller Bingo) - about 1/2 the worlds Bingo based slot machines run Windows with 100% using M$ on the back end. 
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Post by Reality Check » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:12 am



I have tried Linux a couple of times but on machines that probably lacked the horsepower to really give it a fair test. I found simple things were just a pain in the ass to do. I am sure the latest distributions are much better.
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Post by Addie » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:39 am



People are more comfortable on Windows, including businesses, because it's what they're used to using. I'd say mastering Linux does take some time, but once you get accustomed to using it, it's every bit as good as Windows, and easy to use. My advice to people is to use what they like and if it's Windows, fine by me. There are Linux distros, such as Peppermint Six or Elementary Freya or Linux Mint Cinnamon, I bet you could sit down and use tomorrow. Others are more complicated, but not overwhelmingly so, with a little time put in.I am sure I am not as up on business usage as others here, but my overall impression has been that Linux is actually increasing its share against Windows. I accept that it would take a long time.
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Post by Hektor » Sun Jun 28, 2015 2:36 pm



I would put the installing and standard use of most popular distros of Linux (e.g. Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, Linux Mint, Fedora, Mageia, etc) as easy and as straightforward as installing and using Windows 7/8/10. I will admit that there are many reasons to use Windows over Linux, and those reasons do include compatibility with some popular DRM streaming services, as well as software availability. One thing I will note is that when I first started using Linux in the late nineties, the differences in ease of use and what one could only do in Windows was much, much larger. Ease of use in my arrogant opinion is now (at least for most distros) six of one way and half a dozen for the other. Even just a couple years ago, to use Netflix on a Linux machine required even on the friendliness distribution the use of some terminal kung fu and a jury-rigged setup. Now if you can install Google Chrome in Linux, which on many distros is about as easy as doing it in Windows, one has a very straightforward means of doing so. I believe that the gaps will continue to shrink as time moves forward.I do think you need to be a bit of an experimenter/adventurer/explorer to take Linux for a spin (and also start with the right distro too). I totally sympathize with the I just want it to work sentiment. For many people, Windows is a good choice, just as Apple is a good choice for others too. But there are many good reasons why Linux makes a good choice for some people, including running a modern operating system on old(er) hardware (though here choosing your distro is very important) or as a low-cost but very functional PC. Personally, I like Linux because I like to tinker with my computers and being able to dual boot has saved my bacon when I have had issues with my windows installation.

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Post by Reality Check » Sun Jun 28, 2015 3:06 pm



I know for a while Walmart was selling lower end PC's without Windows that were designed to be be run with Linux. I guess that didn't work out.
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Post by Northland10 » Sun Jun 28, 2015 3:14 pm



 The businesses I've dealt with may use LINUX for a terminal or something minor, but the back end has all been NT to Svr 2003 etc and MSSQL.  All the workstations were M$.  Even the specialty computers for the gambling casino table games were Windows.I believe TFB's operation system is CentOS, a LINUX distribution since that is the main OS used by the host company.  The Web Server is Apache. 
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Post by SueDB » Sun Jun 28, 2015 9:55 pm



The two major problem from a business standpoint are standardization and tech/OS support.  Each flavor of LINUX etc is slightly different and needs different methods to run software.  LINIX is like an older Harley  - you spend more time working on it, than riding it...   M$ is more like Denny's or McDonalds - the food isn't fabulous, but it does the job and standard from coast to coast. MICROS (major major player in the Hospitality Industry in the PAC NW) uses M$ workstations and M$ back end.I personally prefer the MS server interfaces versus LINUX desktop or (ick) command line.   Installing server sets was a breeze.  Mass administration & installation of multiple servers/co-servers/storage banks etc was seamless along with various RAID applications/cards. Regardless of all the above etc - I can call M$ at 2AM on Christmas and get live person tech/engineer support.  You can't do that with most versions of LINUX.  
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Post by Addie » Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:08 am



The New York Stock Exchange and the London Stock Exchange, and several others around the world, run on Linux, so it can't be that bad. I don't know why you think Linux enterprise outfits don't offer tech support, because they do. My experience is strictly in personal desktop computing, so I'm at a disadvantage in this discussion, since I only know what I read. One thing that seems missing here is that servers are just one part of business computing now and nobody argues that Microsoft is not dominant in that market. However, there is the Cloud, data centers, supercomputers and smart phones, where Linux is competitive or better (I think). Am I making any sense?
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Post by TollandRCR » Mon Jun 29, 2015 11:29 am



On April 1, 2010 somebody announced that Torvalds was joining Microsoft to be Chief Software Architect on Microsoft's Next-Gen Operatingsystem.On April 1, 2013 a spoof site announced that Linus Torvalds was joining Microsoft to head the Windows 9 project.Then somebody else said this was a spoof.On March 31, 2015 somebody announced that Torvalds was joining Microsoft to head the Windows 10 project.If the material that precedes this note has not convinced everybody that Microsoft has not hired Torvalds, maybe this list of April Fools will.
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Post by SueDB » Mon Jun 29, 2015 2:05 pm



This is what I see day to day.  M$ baby.I would suspect that there is a specialized support team on duty 24 hours a day to service a system such as the NYSE.  So, I don't think it would be vendor support.  They are custom systems.
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This is what I see day to day.  M$ baby.I would suspect that there is a specialized support team on duty 24 hours a day to service a system such as the NYSE.  So, I don't think it would be vendor support.  They are custom systems.I've never had paid support for Linux before (when I had a dual boot I had the math department IT guy install it), but since companies like Red Hat base their entire business model on selling their support and they have a much more robust and well-designed platform (in my opinion), I'm guessing that most major Linux distributions (that you pay for) have competent people answering the phones when you call them at 2am on Christmas too also.
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M$ sells.
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Post by Addie » Fri Jul 03, 2015 8:26 am



I haven't tried it, so this is not a recommendation, but for anyone interested:Network WorldSlick, sleek, and fast and very Windows-like ... this is a distro that could get your users on the path of OS righteousness ...As it happens, the hippo is also the mascot of one of the most impressive end user-oriented Linux distributions available, MakuluLinux, which is also interesting for another reason, it’s a realistic path for migrating Linux users to Windows.The problem for many users is that most Linux distros pose a steep learning curve simply because they’re habituated to the way Windows looks and feels and most distros don’t look or feel anything like Windows. If this is the kind of problem you face then there’s a variant of MakuluLinux that might make your users’ transition much easier: MakuluLinux Aero. The distro also includes Makulu Constructor which is:... a built in constructor tool [that] lets you quickly and easily create a 100% snapshot of your LIVE system as it is, save it into a ISO that can be then re-installed on a new computer. It comes complete with a livemode, installer and full EFI/Secure boot. In fact, this release was compiled with the same constructor tool, which is evidence of how powerful it is. Make any changes to your desktop, doesn’t matter how big or small, then hit the construct button and let the constructor go to work. when it's done out pops a bootable EFI ready ISO. It's all automated with almost no interaction required from the user. This ISO can be put onto a DVD or usb and installed on any other computer. You can now customize your system to your heart's desire and then make a complete installable backup to either store somewhere safely, or to install on a chain of computers. It has never ever been this easy to compile Linux before, with just one click of a button! ...The system’s performance is excellent and as a business productivity environment it's got everything you need. If you’re looking for the next step in evolving your users into the open source world, MakuluLinux Aero is a great way to go about it. MakuluLinux Aero gets a Gearhead rating of 5 out of 5.
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Post by Addie » Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:33 pm

I guess I'll stick this in here.

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Microsoft Moves Toward Open Source as Linux Fills Its Cloud

In a perfect world, says Microsoft’s Mark Russinovich, everyone would run Windows. But he’s playing for laughs.

Sure, Russinovich wants people to run Windows. As a Microsoft Fellow, he helped build the company’s flagship computer operating system. But like the rest of the rapidly evolving Microsoft, he also realizes that so much of the world now runs Linux, the Windows alternative built by a vast community of open source software coders. In fact, Russinovich says, Linux now drives about 25 percent of the activity on Azure, the Microsoft cloud computing service where businesses can run websites and other software applications without setting up their own computer servers. That’s up from 20 percent in the fall.

Even if he did advocate an all-Windows world, Russinovich knows it will never happen. That’s why Azure now lets businesses run their software on Linux as well as Windows. And it’s why Microsoft is partnering with Docker, the “it” IT company among the world’s elite coders. Docker rose to prominence by offering a way to more efficiently build and run software atop Linux. Now the two companies are now working to extend Docker’s “container” technology to Windows.

This week, Russinovich, now the chief technology officer of Microsoft Azure, spent the day at Docker headquarters in San Francisco, and as part of Microsoft’s ongoing effort to show that it has fully embraced Linux—after years of stiff-arming the open source OS—he and Solomon Hykes, the brain behind Docker, chatted about the Docker-Microsoft partnership with various reporters and analysts. Some have asked whether Microsoft might acquire Docker, and though that seems unlikely, Hykes and Russinovich are certainly pushing for a world where businesses and developers can run Docker containers on both Linux and Windows—something that seemed like a contradiction in terms just a few months ago.
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Post by Addie » Wed Aug 19, 2015 2:36 pm

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Windows and Linux Mix-and-Match Clouds

Developers outside of Microsoft will be able to experiment for the first time with new classes of applications that run partly on Windows, partly on Linux.

This is a result of Microsoft's public release today of its third preview of Windows Server 2016.

It’s a new phase in the relationship between Microsoft and Docker Inc., the company responsible for the rapid popularization of this new concept of workload virtualization. In data centers that utilize containerization, workloads are divided into services and these services become modular.

Imagine if a person, getting tired of lifting the same weight over his head, was capable of growing extra pairs of arms, on-demand. That’s the basic premise behind how microservices applications work in servers.

Up to now, all these services in an application had to be built on the same server operating system. And since most enterprise servers today are Linux-based, this locked out many languages supported by Microsoft’s Visual Studio, including Visual Basic and F#.

Enterprises are coming closer to the day where their Windows assets and their Linux assets don’t have to stay secluded in their own basements.
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Post by Addie » Sat Sep 05, 2015 8:56 am

This isn't about Microsoft or Windows, so it's a bit off-topic, but it's interesting.

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Half a Century Later Mainframes, Together with Linux, Still Run Much of Today’s Infrastructure

In a world where product life-cycles are measured in Web years, what can we learn from the mainframe’s rather unique longevity?

A year ago, McKinsey Quarterly published a special edition, Management: The next 50 years, to commemorate its 50th anniversary. To illustrate how different the world was 50 years ago, its lead article characterized the 1964 environment with three key events: the Summer Olympics in Tokyo, which was the first global telecast via satellite; the birth of the last of the baby-boomers; and the IBM Corp.’s announcement of a new System/360 family of mainframes. I was reminded of that third, distant event by IBM’s recent announcement of LinuxONE, its new Linux-only mainframes. ...

Why is the mainframe still around, 51 years after first being introduced? What enables it to keep reinventing itself while embracing the latest technologies, including cloud computing, Big Data and analytics, connections to all kinds of mobile devices and a wide variety of open source software and tools? ...

The IBM-Linux story also had to overcome a number of challenges. Initially, IBM’s 2000 Linux announcement got a mixed reception. Many welcomed IBM’s strong support of Linux and open source in general. But Linux was still not all that well known in the commercial marketplace. Some viewed Linux as just another operating system developed by a bunch of hackers, and were totally perplexed that IBM was so aggressively supporting an initiative that, in their opinion, was so removed from the IT mainstream. Gaining their support took considerable time and effort.

A few companies viewed Linux as a competitive threat and strongly attacked not only IBM, but also companies that used Linux as well as the overall Linux community. One famous CEO described Linux as akin to communism and cancer. The attacks against Linux and the companies that embraced it continued for years, including the SCO Group’s 2003 $5 billion lawsuit against IBM.
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