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Maybenaut wrote:
Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:45 pm
Jeffrey wrote:
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The Puerto Rico Bar Association is suing the Territorial Supreme Court over a "new" requirement for 30 hours of pro-bono work a year:

https://www.primerahora.com/noticias/pu ... l-1382091/

Unfortunately can't fing English articles yet.
Didn’t read the article, but it seems to me that such a requirement would violate the 13th Amendment prohibition on involuntary servitude.
Aren't bar associations voluntary groups? I belong to a group that requires yearly membership dues and also demonstration hours to remain a member in good standing. We know that when we apply for membership so I wouldn't think it was involuntary.

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Also too, that's not even an hour a month.
The fact that you sincerely and wholeheartedly believe that the “Law of Gravity” is unconstitutional and a violation of your sovereign rights, does not absolve you of adherence to it.

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RTH10260 wrote:
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Sugar Magnolia wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:16 am
Maybenaut wrote:
Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:45 pm
Jeffrey wrote:
Tue Dec 17, 2019 5:40 pm
The Puerto Rico Bar Association is suing the Territorial Supreme Court over a "new" requirement for 30 hours of pro-bono work a year:

https://www.primerahora.com/noticias/pu ... l-1382091/

Unfortunately can't fing English articles yet.
Didn’t read the article, but it seems to me that such a requirement would violate the 13th Amendment prohibition on involuntary servitude.
Aren't bar associations voluntary groups? I belong to a group that requires yearly membership dues and also demonstration hours to remain a member in good standing. We know that when we apply for membership so I wouldn't think it was involuntary.
No. Well, it depends on the definition of bar association. The State Bar (they probably don’t call it that since it’s a territory but I’m using the term to distinguish a regulatory body from what is essentially a club) is a regulatory body governed by the State Supreme Court in most places. If you want to practice law in the State, you have to be a member. If you don’t follow its rules, you lose your license, and therefore your livelihood. I think that’s the issue in Puerto Rico — almost one week out of every year must be spent working for free, and if you don’t, then you can’t practice law at all. Most places have an “aspirational” target for pro bono hours, but they don’t yank your license if you don’t do them. So the issue here, I believe, is whether the Territorial Supreme Court can require a lawyer to work for free or not work as a lawyer at all.

Some places (mostly counties or large municipalities) also have local “bar associations” but they’re voluntary. Folks join those because they have provide opportunities for networking, continuing legal education seminars, helpful publications on navigating local court rules, etc.
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Also too, that's not even an hour a month.
I suppose, if a year is 31 months long.

But that’s not really how pro bono works. If you take on a client pro bono, you work that case til it’s done (which, depending on the case, might be well over 30 hours). You can’t just say, well, I’ve done my 2.5 hours this month, I’m done.
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Maybenaut wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:15 am
Notorial Dissent wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:09 am
Also too, that's not even an hour a month.
I suppose, if a year is 31 months long.

But that’s not really how pro bono works. If you take on a client pro bono, you work that case til it’s done (which, depending on the case, might be well over 30 hours). You can’t just say, well, I’ve done my 2.5 hours this month, I’m done.
True, but if you're careful you can give one shot advice that meets the requirement and still is a good deed.
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The associations argument is in fact involuntary servitude. Although I’ve heard another concern that lawyers that focus on civil stuff could end up being paired with people with criminal issues.

I’ve only skimmed it because I was asked to look for ways to wiggle out of it, but it seems to create a pool of lawyers which the Supreme Court will assign 30 hours of case work to. The Bar is saying the state should be paying public defenders instead of having lawyers do it for free.

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Notorial Dissent wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:50 am
Maybenaut wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:15 am
Notorial Dissent wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:09 am
Also too, that's not even an hour a month.
I suppose, if a year is 31 months long.

But that’s not really how pro bono works. If you take on a client pro bono, you work that case til it’s done (which, depending on the case, might be well over 30 hours). You can’t just say, well, I’ve done my 2.5 hours this month, I’m done.
True, but if you're careful you can give one shot advice that meets the requirement and still is a good deed.
I don't think so. The lawyers will be appointed by the Court. Here's the article, translated by google translate. I can't vouch for the accuracy of the translation but it seems pretty clear that it's all going to be managed by the court rather than just relying on individual attorneys to report pro bono hours.
primerahora.com wrote:The Association of Lawyers and Attorneys (CAAPR) filed a lawsuit before the Federal District Court for the District of Puerto Rico that challenges the constitutional validity of the “Regulations for the Assignment of Lawyers and Legal Lawyers”, approved by the Supreme Court, reported today by press release.

The injunction appeal, which was approved by the Board of Governors of the College, in compliance with General Assembly Resolution 179, is based on the Federal Civil Rights Law and constitutional rights.

"This regulation promotes the involuntary servitude of the legal profession and forgets that it is the State that is obliged to provide free legal representation services in certain cases," said Edgardo M. Román Espada, president of the institution.

The regulation requires the legal profession to offer free legal representation services in civil and criminal cases, by court order.

“The assignment of ex officio cases, based on judicial discretion, constitutes a displacement of the State's obligation to a small group of citizens without due compensation and, therefore, an act contrary to their constitutional rights, since it deprives them of his time to practice the profession and derive income, and imposes on them the obligation to bear the costs of the litigation subject to an indeterminate process of reimbursement of a bankrupt government, ”said the lawyer.

“The regulation suffers from serious constitutional defects: it deprives the appointees of their property without compensation; it is contrary to the right to equal protection of the laws, since it discriminates against the practice of private practice to which the regulation applies, while excluding a good number of other jurists; deprives the legal profession of the freedom of the practice of the profession; and encourages, through judicial discretion, the arbitrary assignment of cases, ”he said.

The regulation establishes that those who are designated ex officio will not be able to bill for the first 30 hours of service and will depend on a cost reimbursement mechanism. However, it does not set a mandatory period to make refunds. Payment in excess of the initial 30 hours and the expenses incurred would come from the income collected from the cancellation of suspension stamps, whose figure is uncertain and it is unknown if it will be sufficient to cover fees and expenses.

“It is alarming that the budget of the Judicial Branch does not contemplate a specific item for the payment of fees and expenses incurred in ex officio cases. On the other hand, there is no economic feasibility study that allows to conclude that there are sufficient funds for the payment of fees and expenses provided by the regulation, ”he added.
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We don't have a horrible icky spiders thread, so I'm posting this here. My friend John found this under his house while investigating a water pressure issue. It's an albino creepy tarantula from a planet in a galaxy too far away to be seen with telescopes. His house probably has some kinda superpower or sumpin' after bein' bit by that thing.

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I'm not normally super terrified of spiders, but my reaction to that picture was approximately this:

:nooo: :flame:
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Yeah, he's moving his valuables out and checking his insurance coverage before he burns down the house. :shock:
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Ever have one if those days when you don't remember anything you did all day long, but you know you did something?

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That's the deadly "globs of glue from a glue gun" spider! The worst it will do is leave burns on your fingers if you touch it.

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So, while shopping my phone goes off at checkout, some number I didn't recognize and I let it go to voicemail.

Checked the message and.. OH DEAR!, Social Security is gonna sue me cuz I've done some fraudulent stuffs. Would be hard for me to do that because at the moment I'm not getting any SSA benefits, of any kind.

So, I call the number back, a number in Austin Texas. (737) 241-1761, a call center staffed by Pakis and Indians.

A guy answers, "Social Security, how can I help you?" I tell him I'm calling about some fraudulent activity and such and he says "Bullshit" and hangs up.

I go home, call them back, ask names and ID numbers. Refuse to give them my SSN, and everything comes to a halt, and they hang up again.

Well, this is a scam so I decided to have some fun. Went to the old ID Generator site I used to use to hack Ed Hale, and got a identity.

Next call went like, "I got a voice mail from you about you taking me to court over something. I'm very worried, I'd hate to lose my SS benefits, what can we do?"

"When did you get this call?" "Oh, about 90 minutes ago"

And I don't know what the trigger was, but the guy called me a motherfucker and told me to stop messing with their business, hung up.

It was fun, gonna call them again in a while.
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GreatGrey wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 6:06 pm
So, while shopping my phone goes off at checkout, some number I didn't recognize and I let it go to voicemail.

Checked the message and.. OH DEAR!, Social Security is gonna sue me cuz I've done some fraudulent stuffs. Would be hard for me to do that because at the moment I'm not getting any SSA benefits, of any kind.
:snippity:
It was fun, gonna call them again in a while.
:rotflmao:

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Scambaiting is an enjoyable pursuit.

Knowing insults in Hindi (or Bengali?) is fun. When they get salty first, call them “bhen-choad.” It means, paraphrasing, “he who has sex with his sister.” They hate that. 8-)
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RoadScholar wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 9:52 pm
Scambaiting is an enjoyable pursuit.

Knowing insults in Hindi (or Bengali?) is fun. When they get salty first, call them “bhen-choad.” It means, paraphrasing, “he who has sex with his sister.” They hate that. 8-)
Thanks, I was gonna look up some of those tonight.
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That's the deadly "globs of glue from a glue gun" spider! The worst it will do is leave burns on your fingers if you touch it.
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Damn, I am so glad someone was there on the sound in a boat to film this.

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Kendra wrote:
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Damn, I am so glad someone was there on the sound in a boat to film this.

I think the boat is moored in the inlet, and the sea lions use it as a pull out.

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Every time I read a screed like this, I think of how awful life is in those horrible socialist countries like Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, etc.

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AndyinPA wrote:
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Every time I read a screed like this, I think of how awful life is in those horrible socialist countries like Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, etc.

:confused:
My neighbor is from Sweden. She’s a dyed-in-the-wool Republican. She visits her folks in Sweden, but she thinks it’s horrible and can’t understand why her parents stay there. She hates socialism with a passion.

Before she became a US citizen, she remarked to me her dismay over the day laborers she saw at a local street corner. “It’s 3:00 in the afternoon! What are all these immigrants doing on that street at that time of day?!” I responded, “You’re an immigrant. What were you doing there?” She didn’t think it was funny.
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