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humblescribe wrote: Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:16 pm I think this will wind up being a big ole nothing burger for Biden save the optics that will haunt him for a long time.

Maybe the lunch menu aboard AF1 is considered classified.
I don't know if the menu is classified or not, but I saw a show on TV (the History Channel maybe?) about AF1. They said that the Air Force does not call a commercial grocer to stock the larder on the plane. Rather, before each flight, several staffers are given cash and a list and sent to local supermarkets (which rotate for each flight) in civilian clothes, to purchase the food for the flight.
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noblepa wrote: Tue Jan 24, 2023 3:54 pm
humblescribe wrote: Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:16 pm I think this will wind up being a big ole nothing burger for Biden save the optics that will haunt him for a long time.

Maybe the lunch menu aboard AF1 is considered classified.
I don't know if the menu is classified or not, but I saw a show on TV (the History Channel maybe?) about AF1. They said that the Air Force does not call a commercial grocer to stock the larder on the plane. Rather, before each flight, several staffers are given cash and a list and sent to local supermarkets (which rotate for each flight) in civilian clothes, to purchase the food for the flight.
This would track with the idea that random purchases are often considered a stopgap measure to secure purchases. Someone can't mess with what you're buying if they don't know what, where, and when.
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I'm still waiting for our pudding-headed media to take a moment to define "classified" for, well, for their own edification. (I mean, we got a nice primer on the subject shortly after the Mar-A-Lago search, but apparently MSM has forgotten) So, while we wait....

A brief refresher on one of the definitions of "classified". Talk about getting in the weeds.... It touches on a couple of my favorite twists in the story: how some of her emails received Classified stamps _after_ they were handed over, and how even phone conversations about anything with foreign leaders is defined as Classified.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-usa- ... BT20150821
Exclusive - Dozens of Clinton emails were classified from the start, U.S. rules suggest
By Jonathan Allen 2015

In the small fraction of emails made public so far, Reuters has found at least 30 email threads from 2009, representing scores of individual emails, that include what the State Department’s own “Classified” stamps now identify as so-called ‘foreign government information.’ The U.S. government defines this as any information, written or spoken, provided in confidence to U.S. officials by their foreign counterparts.

This sort of information, which the department says Clinton both sent and received in her emails, is the only kind that must be “presumed” classified, in part to protect national security and the integrity of diplomatic interactions, according to U.S. regulations examined by Reuters.

“It’s born classified,” said J. William Leonard, a former director of the U.S. government’s Information Security Oversight Office (ISOO). Leonard was director of ISOO, part of the National Archives and Records Administration, from 2002 until 2008, and worked for both the Bill Clinton and George W. Bush administrations.

“If a foreign minister just told the secretary of state something in confidence, by U.S. rules that is classified at the moment it’s in U.S. channels and U.S. possession,” he said in a telephone interview, adding that for the State Department to say otherwise was “blowing smoke.”
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And here's progressive journalist Joe Conason on the subject of the email lady, and what is and is not classified.

https://www.timesrepublican.com/opinion ... ally-zero/

How many of her emails were classified? Actually, zero
by Joe Conason Sept 22 2022

[A]mid growing evidence of the former president’s reckless and potentially criminal misconduct, he and his defenders keep pointing to “her emails.” They insist that because the Justice Department declined prosecution of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton after a long and thorough probe of how she handled allegedly classified information, there should be no investigation, let alone indictment, of Trump.

But while we don’t yet know the extent or nature of Trump’s abuse of classified documents, we can determine how many were found by investigators, after exhaustive searches, among Clinton’s thousands of State Department emails.

The accurate answer is zero — although few if any news outlets have informed the public of that startling fact. And it is a fact that the Trump administration itself confirmed three years ago.

In recent news stories that reference her emails, former FBI Director James Comey is sometimes quoted saying that of the 33,000 Clinton emails examined by bureau investigators, three had classification markings. That’s less than one-hundredth of 1 percent, and not worth comparing to Trump’s malfeasance anyway, but it’s still an exaggeration, apparently meant to bolster Comey’s absurd claim that other Clinton emails were “classified” although not marked as such.

Those three State Department documents were “call sheets,” innocuous memos reminding Clinton to make scheduled phone calls. During her FBI interview, investigators showed her one of those memos, reminding her to place a condolence call to the president of Malawi. Not exactly a top-secret matter and, as Comey himself later admitted, any classification marking on that sheet had been wrongly applied.

In short, the three supposedly classified documents attributed to her emails were barely even confidential, let alone secret or subject to the sanctions of the Espionage Act.
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And the email didn't even say WHO the condolence call was for. It simply had a subject: Condolences and Body: (whatever the date was). That was IT. That was the ENTIRE freaking email. Nothing in that email could remotely be called classified even if the fact that the former President of Malawi had passed away was still classified information. (It had been asked to be kept "secret" for a couple of days by Malawi officials because they were concerned about a possible coup. The email to Clinton gave her the date that it became "un secret" so she would know she could go ahead and make the call. So, by the time her staff sent her the date, it was already no longer being kept a secret that the former President had passed away)
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Justice Department was prepared to seek warrant had Biden not consented to home search, sources say

By Paula Reid, Pamela Brown, Evan Perez and Jessica Schneider, CNN
Published 4:01 PM EST, Wed January 25, 2023

(CNN) — The FBI’s unprecedented search of President Joe Biden’s home in Wilmington, Delaware, resulted from high-stakes discussions between the Justice Department and Biden attorneys over when and how it would take place, sources familiar with the matter tell CNN.

Biden’s team stresses that it was cooperative in the lead-up to Friday’s search and even expressed an eagerness for the search to happen as expeditiously as possible to move the investigation along – and to try to put the matter behind them.

For its part, the Justice Department had decided it would conduct the latest search – and any subsequent searches – after Biden’s team handled earlier searches themselves. Federal investigators also were prepared to seek a warrant if they did not get consent to search the Wilmington property, according to multiple sources.

The Justice Department, however, never raised the possibility of a warrant during the recent discussions, according to a law enforcement source, even though the possibility loomed if Biden’s team didn’t cooperate.

“You want to have people looking at things, know what to look for. Attorneys don’t collect evidence – that would be FBI. Whoever’s getting this info would have to have clearance,” one source familiar with the investigation told CNN, referring to previous searches by Biden’s lawyers.

In the end, both sides reached an agreement that allowed the FBI to do the search, and investigators spent nearly 13 hours combing through all of the working, living and storage spaces. They found six items relevant to the probe, including documents with classified markings and material from Biden’s time in the Senate.

The president’s personal attorney, Bob Bauer, said in a statement over the weekend that the White House and his legal team were supportive of the FBI search, saying they “offered to provide prompt access to his home to allow DOJ to conduct a search of the entire premises for potential vice-presidential records and potential classified material.”

The FBI search of a sitting president’s home represented an escalation in the two-months-long investigation, which is shifting from an initial review by the US attorney in Chicago to a full-blown criminal investigation by special counsel Robert Hur. Additional searches by Biden’s team or the Justice Department are still possible.



https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/25/poli ... index.html
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Thats like saying that the police will come back with a warrant if you don't voluntarily allow them to search your home. Big deal, they didn't have to.
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:yeahthat:

How is that even news?
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AndyinPA wrote: Fri Jan 27, 2023 10:30 am :yeahthat:

How is that even news?
"both sides" again. :roll:

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Congressional 'Gang of 8' gains access to Trump, Biden and Pence documents

Ryan Nobles and Frank Thorp V and Rose Horowitch
Tue, April 11, 2023 at 11:13 PM GMT+2

Congressional leaders known as the Gang of Eight have begun receiving access to classified documents found in the possession of former President Donald Trump, President Joe Biden and former Vice President Mike Pence after they left office, a source familiar with the matter said.

Law enforcement officials found documents with classified markings at the homes or private offices of all three men, and the handling of the documents is under federal investigation. The House and Senate intelligence committees had been seeking access to the material.

The Justice Department had previously rejected the committees' requests to turn over the documents, saying they were part of an active investigation. But the lawmakers had expressed frustration at what they described as the DOJ's sparse briefings on the matter. In a statement released after a briefing in February, Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Mark Warner, D-Va., and Vice Chairman Marco Rubio, R-Fla., said it “left much to be desired.”

Warner and Rubio are members of the Gang of Eight, which also includes the leaders of the House Intelligence Committee and the top Democratic and Republican leaders in each chamber. Congressional leaders did not immediately respond to requests for comment. A spokesperson for the Department of Justice declined to comment.

Warner, in an interview in Harrisburg, Virginia, on Tuesday, drew a connection between the alleged mishandling of classified documents by Biden, Trump and Pence and the recent apparent leak of U.S. documents related to Ukraine, saying Congress needs to play a role in a "more systemic response rather than how we just make sure this one example doesn’t happen again.”



https://www.yahoo.com/news/congressiona ... 47689.html
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Biden interviewed in special counsel’s probe into classified documents found at his home, former office
President Joe Biden over the last two days participated in a voluntary interview with special counsel Robert Hur as a part of his classified documents investigation, the White House announced Monday.

“The President has been interviewed as part of the investigation being led by Special Counsel Robert Hur,” White House counsel’s office spokesperson Ian Sams wrote in a statement Monday. “The voluntary interview was conducted at the White House over two days, Sunday and Monday, and concluded Monday.”

“As we have said from the beginning, the President and the White House are cooperating with this investigation, and as it has been appropriate, we have provided relevant updates publicly, being as transparent as we can consistent with protecting and preserving the integrity of the investigation,” Sams continued, referring additional questions to the Justice Department.

The interview marks the first major development in the case known to the public in months and stands in stark contrast to Biden’s predecessor. Former President Donald Trump never interviewed with special counsel Robert Mueller during the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election despite extensive negotiations over a potential interview. Trump currently faces criminal charges in two separate special counsel investigations, including one regarding his own handling of classified documents after he left the presidency in January 2021.

The interview comes months after Biden told CNN there had been “no such request and no such interest” for an interview with the special counsel in the investigation.

A spokesperson for Hur, who oversees the Justice Department’s probe into classified documents found at Biden’s home and former private office, declined to comment to CNN.

The interview was scheduled weeks ago, according to a person familiar with the matter.
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So, how come the FBI never raided Joe's house? Does this mean we will never get to see his bathroom?
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Joe didn’t act like a dickweed and refuse to turn anything over.
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CNN is reporting on air that sources have told them that where will be no charges from the Special Counsel in this case.
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Ah, that explains the sudden power dip. The right wing outrage machine is spinning up.
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that is why all the fights this week in congress
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The Fox pundits are gonna be wound up...
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Biden not likely to be charged in documents probe -WSJ

U.S. President Joe Biden is not likely to be charged in the special counsel investigation into his handling of classified documents, the Wall Street Journal reported on Thursday, citing people familiar with the matter.

Special Counsel Robert Hur is expected to release a report in the next couple of months, potentially before the end of this year, and it is expected to be sharply critical of the handling of the documents by Biden and his aides, the Journal reported.
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Yes, it's going to be butter emails all over again.
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